Trump vs Biden

[Jazzy]

How you all feel about getting Trump vs Biden again in 2024?

 

[Lamb]

I'm hoping both parties wise up and just say No to both.

 

[Albion]

I'm sure many would agree with that assessment. But then, who is preferable? The Democrats' bench is essentially empty, while it's saying to the Republicans that they should NOT go with the most popular (by far) candidate or potential candidate that their party has...and the one most feared by the opposition.

 

[tango]

I think both candidates are too polarising.

Trump may be the most popular candidate among Republicans but I don't imagine he has a lot of appeal to the more moderate wing of the party and even less appeal to the floaters and moderate Democrats who might jump ship.

Biden is, well, Biden. The diehard Democrats will vote for him just as the diehard Republicans will vote for Trump but he doesn't seem to have as much appeal among the more moderate Democrats and, like Trump, I can see him struggling with the floaters and moderate Republicans.

It keeps reminding me of 2008 when McCain chose Palin as his running mate. The party faithful cheered but their votes were safe, and Palin was unattractive to more moderate Republicans and even less attractive to moderate Democrats who might not have liked Obama.

 

[Josiah]

How you all feel about getting Trump vs Biden again in 2024?

Bad.



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[Albion]

I think both candidates are too polarising.

Trump may be the most popular candidate among Republicans but I don't imagine he has a lot of appeal to the more moderate wing of the party and even less appeal to the floaters and moderate Democrats who might jump ship.

On its face, that's most likely correct. But again, who else?

When one candidate for the party nomination has something like a 25% lead over the next closest contender, and in addition has the support of many in the party who feel almost honor-bound now to stand against the unprecedented series of RussiaRussiaRussia lies, two impeachments, endless court cases, invasions of his home, and other such assaults on him...

It keeps reminding me of 2008 when McCain chose Palin as his running mate. The party faithful cheered but their votes were safe, and Palin was unattractive to more moderate Republicans and even less attractive to moderate Democrats who might not have liked Obama.

But it was the moderate Republicans who made Palin--and made her necessary.

It was they who managed to secure the presidential nomination for McCain, who wasn't known to be especially appealing to the public at large.

And SO the idea arose that maybe the ticket could be saved by a "Hail Mary" move of balancing the ticket by nominating for VP a young, woman, office holder (Governor), who was also known for being a good speaker (unlike McCain).

 

[heavenslight]

There is a lot that may happen between now and the election. However the way things stand now I predict that Biden will be the Democratic càndidate and Trump the Republican candidate. Biden will win a second term with lackluster support and Democrats will increase representation in Congress in 2024. Republicans have an advantage in the Electoral College which ultimately determines who becomes president. Democrats need to win by a comfortable margin in order for their candidate to become president and I believe this will happen.

Trump has significant strength in the Republican Party, enough to win the nomination I think despite legal headwinds although I could be mistaken. The economy is also always a factor in elections. However I do not expect a serious recession. However if Congress does not raise the debt ceiling the results would be catastrophic. In the past despite last minute brinkmanship the debt ceiling has always been raised. This time the situation is somewhat less certain. However if the debt ceiling is not raised I believe Republicans will mainly be blamed.

The demographics of the country have also changed. Evangelical and conservative Christians are now a distinct minority. Although they are significant force in the Republican Party they are no longer a moral majority in the nation at large. For example, the majority of Americans now support abortion in most circumstances and many will vote Democratic in response to recent changes in the makeup of the Supreme Court. By the way, I am opposed to abortion but believe that the moral character of the country has degraded.

 

[heavenslight]

If Trump, for some reason, does not receive the Republican nomination the election becomes
much more competitive, especially because of the advantage the Republican Party has with the Electoral College. However I believe Trump will get the Republican nomination as things now stand.

 

[Messy]

Why don't they say they have to retire with 67?

 

[heavenslight]

Why don't they say they have to retire with 67?

There would have to be a constitutional amendment. Otherwise the only age restriction on running for president is that a person must be at least 35.

Also we are stuck with only 2 choices regardless of how unpopular they both are. Third party candidates are never viable in the United States

 

[Albion]

If Trump, for some reason, does not receive the Republican nomination the election becomes
much more competitive, especially because of the advantage the Republican Party has with the Electoral College.

Hard to say if the election would become more competitive. Prior to Trump, the Republicans nominated Mitt Romney, and before him, John McCain, both of whom ran very lackluster campaigns and essentially gave up weeks before election day.

So again, the question remains, "If not Trump, then who?"

 

[heavenslight]

Hard to say if the election would become more competitive. Prior to Trump, the Republicans nominated Mitt Romney, and before him, John McCain, both of whom ran very lackluster campaigns and essentially gave up weeks before election day.

So again, the question remains, "If not Trump, then who?"

It becomes more competitive because Trump, although he has a strong core of supporters, turns off many independents and some Republicans because of his legal troubles, personality and a perception among many as a philanderer/adulterer. Biden lacks committed support even among Democrats. Biden attracts Democrats and some independents because of the policies he supports not his personal qualities. His age makes him particularly vulnerable.

 

[Faith]

How you all feel about getting Trump vs Biden again in 2024?

Ugh!

 

[tango]

On its face, that's most likely correct. But again, who else?

When one candidate for the party nomination has something like a 25% lead over the next closest contender, and in addition has the support of many in the party who feel almost honor-bound now to stand against the unprecedented series of RussiaRussiaRussia lies, two impeachments, endless court cases, invasions of his home, and other such assaults on him...

... which highlights the issue of everything being so polarised. Putting a different polarising figure in the White House isn't going to fix that.

Yes, there's a clear double standard where Trump and Biden are concerned. I'm sure that can be addressed without specifically putting one of the players in the White House.

But it was the moderate Republicans who made Palin--and made her necessary.

It was they who managed to secure the presidential nomination for McCain, who wasn't known to be especially appealing to the public at large.

And SO the idea arose that maybe the ticket could be saved by a "Hail Mary" move of balancing the ticket by nominating for VP a young, woman, office holder (Governor), who was also known for being a good speaker (unlike McCain).

From what I can see talking to people I know McCain had at least some cross-party appeal (a few Democrat friends of mine didn't care for Obama but liked McCain, but he lost their support when he nominated Palin).

On a related note, it's interesting how the Democrats who mocked Palin then insisted the only reaon not to vote for Hillary was sexism. Presumably it's not sexist to mock a female candidate if she's on the wrong side. Or maybe Not Being Racist trumps Not Being Sexist.

 

[Albion]

Yes, there's a clear double standard where Trump and Biden are concerned. I'm sure that can be addressed without specifically putting one of the players in the White House.

Okay, so who?

 

[tango]

Okay, so who?

Can I not dislike two candidates without specifically proposing another?

Honestly, if Trump and Biden are the best that a country of 300+ million people has to offer then I think the problem is bigger than any of my suggestions for the presidency.

 

[Albion]

Can I not dislike two candidates without specifically proposing another?

Well, yes, you can. However, that's where we were left by the first several posts in this thread. It seems almost inevitable that we ask about some alternative.

Honestly, if Trump and Biden are the best that a country of 300+ million people has to offer then I think the problem is bigger than any of my suggestions for the presidency.

Possibly, but I would suggest that while both are unappealing to very many Americans, the shortcomings of the two are not identical. Put another way, the nation could endure the Trump hairdo and mouth a lot better than the politics of Biden.

 

[heavenslight]

Any Republican candidate should not suggest privatizing Social Security, raising the retirement age, tampering with Social Security or Medicare.

 

[tango]

Well, yes, you can. However, that's where we were left by the first several posts in this thread. It seems almost inevitable that we ask about some alternative.

It's a shame that there apparently aren't enough obvious alternatives to two highly polarising figures, no?

Possibly, but I would suggest that while both are unappealing to very many Americans, the shortcomings of the two are not identical. Put another way, the nation could endure the Trump hairdo and mouth a lot better than the politics of Biden.

Sure, despite my reservations about Trump I can put up with a few mean tweets if it means $2 gas again and less unchecked immigration, just for starters.

 

[MoreCoffee]

How you all feel about getting Trump vs Biden again in 2024?

Both Donald Trump and Joe Biden ought to enjoy their remaining years in retirement - maybe spending time with family. It isn't so good for a country to have very elderly elders running it.