How in the world do you separate faith from the cross?
@prism
Because they aren't the same thing.
TWO things are required for personal justification:
1. The Cross (the atoning work of Christ - His incarnation, death and resurrection)
2. Personal faith that apprehends/relies/applies the above to self.
It's not either/or. It's both/and.
BOTH are necessary for personal justification, although they are not the same thing.
While the Bible specifically, verbatim, flat-out, repeatedly STATES that Jesus died "FOR ALL", it also states that faith is not found in all.
The first is universal, the second is not.
The reason some are not personally justified is that some don't have faith. The reason is the absence of faith, not Christ.
limited atonement...designed for those who were predestined to faith.
1. The ONLY ones who insist that all are personally justified are radical Calvinists who invented universalism because like other radical Calvinists, they hold that faith is irrelevant and that if Christ died for you then you are justified - even if you repudiate and reject and deny Christ rather than have faith. You seem to be confusing those radical Calvinists with biblical Christianity.
2. No one here is stating that personal justification is universal.
3.
You keep TRYING to change the subject. The issue is this: Did Jesus died for all as the Bible repeatedly, verbatim, flat-out states? OR is that not true and rather Jesus died ONLY for some unknown few?
@prism, that is the issue. That's what the invention of the "L" in TULIP is all about, rejecting that Jesus died for all.
Here's what God literally, flat-out, verbatim, in black-and-white, repeatedly states:
1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
John 3:16 “For God so loved
the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death
for everyone.
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has
died for all
2 Corinthians 5:15 And
he died for all.
1 Timothy 2:6 "Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom
for all.
There are more.
There are NO verses that state, "No, Jesus did not die for all but
only for some."
The reason some are not personally justified is NOT that the Bible is wrong about Jesus dying for all but rather because the Bible is right about faith not being in all. Yes, not all are appointed to believe but Jesus did die for all, at least that's what God says and what Christianity believed for 1600 years (and nearly all still does).
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