Are you supposed to forgive "some" only?

[Messy]

To say all were justified at the cross (universal justification) is as foreign sounding to me as limited atonement is to you. Do you have Scripture for that one? Under that scheme ‘free will’ would reign supreme.
I have seen too many ‘remember their baptism’, who consequently had no interest in God’s truths found in the Scriptures.

I believe He died for everyone, cause else it makes no sense to send someone to hell for rejecting His offer. I think the old man, the flesh, from everyone died with Him on the cross and He took everyone's sins in His body, except sins against the Spirit, but if someone rejects Him, it was in vain for them and won't justify or save them.

 

[Albion]

Are those purely personal conclusions, Messy; or are they taught in some specific Christian denomination's churches?

 

[prism]

I believe He died for everyone, cause else it makes no sense to send someone to hell for rejecting His offer. I think the old man, the flesh, from everyone died with Him on the cross and He took everyone's sins in His body, except sins against the Spirit, but if someone rejects Him, it was in vain for them and won't justify or save them.

Scripture should mold and form our reality rather than what ‘we think’.

 

[Messy]

Scripture should mold and form our reality rather than what ‘we think’.

Based on the Scriptures I know, that's what I think.
“[Jesus] is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2 NIV)

 

[prism]

Based on the Scriptures I know, that's what I think.
“[Jesus] is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2 NIV)

You mentioned this in post #61…

I think the old man, the flesh, from everyone died with Him on the cross and He took everyone's sins in His body, except sins against the Spirit, but if someone rejects Him, it was in vain for them and won't justify or save them.

could you please tell me where in Scripture you find that?
Especially ‘except sins against the Spirit’.

 

[Messy]

You mentioned this in post #61…

I think the old man, the flesh, from everyone died with Him on the cross and He took everyone's sins in His body, except sins against the Spirit, but if someone rejects Him, it was in vain for them and won't justify or save them.

could you please tell me where in Scripture you find that?
Especially ‘except sins against the Spirit’.

Oh yes that's why I said I think. I'm not sure, because it says our sins, not everyone's sins.

1 Peter 2:24​

24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose [a]stripes you were healed.

knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

Matthew 12
Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.

It will not be forgiven, so He could not take that sin upon Him.

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 [a]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Oh and about the sin nature from everyone that died with Him, why I think that is also this text:

Then the Lord said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.”

John 3:14, NIV: Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,

 

[prism]

Oh yes that's why I said I think. I'm not sure, because it says our sins, not everyone's sins.

1 Peter 2:24​

24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose [a]stripes you were healed.

knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

Matthew 12
Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.

It will not be forgiven, so He could not take that sin upon Him.

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 [a]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Oh and about the sin nature from everyone that died with Him, why I think that is also this text:

Then the Lord said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.”

John 3:14, NIV: Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,

Thanks for your opinion.

 

[Messy]

I'm glad I said I think, cause I changed my mind already after some Googling lol.

Was the "old man" crucified with Christ for all people, or only for believers?

Romans 6:6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. Did this event happen to all people, or ...

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Jesus did die for all men, but until God reveals this truth to people and calls them to repentance (2 Timothy 2:25, 2 Pet 3:9, Rom 2:4) they remain dead in their sin - i.e. uncrucified. Without knowing and accepting Jesus, the 'old man' remains and is not crucified in Christ.

1 John 2:2​

2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

 

[Nomad]

Based on my reading of theologies, I believe theologies in different religions have similar kinds of contradictory statements. I believe these statements should not be understood as absolute truth.