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In Catholic theology, truth is understood as being in conformity with reality. It is the correspondence of the mind to reality. Truth is objective, it is not dependent on human opinion or perspective. It is rooted in the nature of things and can be known through reason and revelation.

Catholic theology teaches that there are two sources of truth: natural revelation and supernatural revelation. Natural revelation is the truth that can be known through the natural world and through human reason. This includes the truths of science, philosophy, and ethics. Supernatural revelation is the truth that is revealed by God and can only be known through faith. This includes the truths of the Bible and the teachings of the Church.

In Catholic theology, truth is also associated with the person of Jesus Christ, who is believed to be the incarnate Word of God, and the fullness of truth (John 14:6). Through Jesus, we can come to understand the fullness of God's revelation and come to know the truth of God's plan for salvation.

Catholic theology also teaches that truth is not just a matter of cognitive assent, but also a matter of living in accordance with the truth. This is known as integrity. Truth is also a matter of living in accordance with the truth, which is known as integrity. It is the integration of the truth in one's life, and the witness of one's life to the truth.

In summary, in Catholic theology, truth is understood as being in conformity with reality, it is objective, and it is known through both reason and revelation. It is rooted in the nature of things, it is associated with the person of Jesus Christ and it is not just a matter of cognitive assent but also a matter of living in accordance with the truth.
 

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Was the earth and all living things created in 6 days or Billions of years?
What is TRUTH? (Reason or Revelation)
 

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In Catholic theology, truth is also associated with the person of Jesus Christ, who is believed to be the incarnate Word of God, and the fullness of truth (John 14:6). Through Jesus, we can come to understand the fullness of God's revelation and come to know the truth of God's plan for salvation.
...which, it seems to me, is also the theological position of just about every other Christian church as well.

So if we ask if there's any significant difference between the various churches, there's always this information taken from your post--

Natural revelation is the truth that can be known through the natural world and through human reason. This includes the truths of science, philosophy, and ethics. Supernatural revelation is the truth that is revealed by God and can only be known through faith. This includes the truths of the Bible and the teachings of the Church.
So, to the above, your church adds whatever it chooses to add, and that it calls 'truth.'

This approach may not put the Catholic Church into the same company as every other Christian church body, but it does put it into the same category as quite a few of them.
 

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...which, it seems to me, is also the theological position of just about every other Christian church as well.

So if we ask if there's any significant difference between the various churches, there's always this information taken from your post--


So, to the above, your church adds whatever it chooses to add, and that it calls 'truth.'

This approach may not put the Catholic Church into the same company as every other Christian church body, but it does put it into the same category as quite a few of them.
The Catholic Church does not "add whatever it chooses to add" to the truth. The teachings and doctrines of the Church are based on a combination of Sacred Tradition, the Bible, and the Magisterium (the teaching authority of the Church). These sources are all considered to be guided by the Holy Spirit, and the Church's teachings are subject to a process of discernment and interpretation. The Church's teachings are not arbitrary or subject to change at the whim of its leaders, but rather they are grounded in the belief that the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit and is in continuity with the teachings of the early Church.
 

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The Catholic Church does not "add whatever it chooses to add" to the truth.
Well, of course, that is what you'd have to say. But it doesn't mean much more than that you are a loyal member of that church. Mormons say the same thing about their church, and they, too, will point out that there is a process, etc. etc.
The teachings and doctrines of the Church are based on a combination of Sacred Tradition, the Bible, and the Magisterium (the teaching authority of the Church). These sources are all considered to be guided by the Holy Spirit, and the Church's teachings are subject to a process of discernment and interpretation.
Right. And what would you be expected to say--that the Holy Spirit WASN'T involved in and supportive of whatever innovations the Church hierarchy decided to make? ;)
 

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Well, of course, that is what you'd have to say. But it doesn't mean much more than that you are a loyal member of that church. Mormons say the same thing about their church, and they, too, will point out that there is a process, etc. etc.

Right. And what would you be expected to say--that the Holy Spirit WASN'T involved in and supportive of whatever innovations the Church hierarchy decided to make? ;)
From a Catholic perspective, Anglicanism is in error in several ways, including:

  1. The Anglican Church's rejection of the authority of the Pope and the Magisterium (teaching authority) of the Catholic Church.
  2. The Anglican Church's use of the Book of Common Prayer, which includes changes to the liturgy and sacraments that deviate from traditional Catholic practices.
  3. The Anglican Church's ordination of women as priests and bishops, which the Catholic Church does not allow.
  4. The Anglican Church's acceptance of divorce and remarriage, which the Catholic Church only allows in certain circumstances.
  5. The Anglican Church's acceptance of certain Protestant beliefs, such as sola scriptura (the belief that scripture is the only source of authority for Christian belief) and the rejection of certain Catholic teachings such as transubstantiation.
It's important to note that these are generalizations and there are many variations of Anglicanism and individual Anglicans may not agree with these statements. Also, the Catholic Church has recently made efforts to reach out and reconcile with the Anglican Communion.
 

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From a Catholic perspective, Anglicanism is in error in several ways, including:
Well, what would we expect from a church that seriously claims Christ himself founded the Roman Catholic Church to the exclusion of all other Christian assemblies? :giggle:

But, to be clearer, you created this thread for the express purpose of saying you believe everything your own denomination says about itself, as though that revelation comes as a big surprise to the rest of us.

And for my part, I didn't respond by listing a bunch of Catholic beliefs and practices that other Christians consider to be in error. So, you can appreciate why I'm also not interested in pointing out, item by item from your list, how little you know about Anglicanism.

:)Cheers.
 

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Well, what would we expect from a church that seriously claims Christ himself founded the Roman Catholic Church to the exclusion of all other Christian assemblies? :giggle:

But, to be clearer, you created this thread for the express purpose of saying you believe everything your own denomination says about itself, as though that revelation comes as a big surprise to the rest of us.

And for my part, I didn't respond by listing a bunch of Catholic beliefs and practices that other Christians consider to be in error. So, you can appreciate why I'm also not interested in pointing out, item by item from your list, how little you know about Anglicanism.

:)Cheers.
Anglicanism is a branch of Christianity that developed in England in the 16th century as a result of the English Reformation. It is considered by the Catholic Church to be a form of Protestantism and therefore a departure from traditional Catholic teachings.

From a Catholic perspective, Anglicanism is seen to have errors in its teachings, particularly with regards to the authority of the Bible, the sacraments, and the role of the papacy. Anglicanism teaches that the Bible is the sole authority in matters of faith and practice, while the Catholic Church teaches that both scripture and tradition are authoritative. Additionally, Anglicanism recognizes only two sacraments (baptism and the Eucharist) while the Catholic Church recognizes seven sacraments. Anglicanism also rejected the authority of the Pope, while the Catholic Church teaches that the Pope is the head of the Church and the Vicar of Christ on earth.

It is worth noting that Catholicism and Anglicanism have come a long way since the 16th century and many efforts have been made to bridge the divide between the two denominations, such as the Anglican-Roman Catholic International Commission (ARCIC) which was founded in 1969, with the goal of promoting dialogue and understanding between the two denominations.

It is important to note that the Catholic Church does not view Anglicanism or any other Protestant denominations as heretical in the sense that their members are considered to be outside of the Church and damned. The Catechism states that "the separated churches and communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, are yet true churches and communities of Jesus Christ" (CCC 819)
 

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Anglicanism is a branch of Christianity that developed in England in the 16th century as a result of the English Reformation.
It actually dates to the first century and quite possibly is older than the church at Rome.

It is considered by the Catholic Church to be a form of Protestantism and therefore a departure from traditional Catholic teachings.
What a surprise! Of course she does, even though it's a mistaken opinion on her part.
It is important to note that the Catholic Church does not view Anglicanism or any other Protestant denominations as heretical in the sense that their members are considered to be outside of the Church and damned. The Catechism states that "the separated churches and communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, are yet true churches and communities of Jesus Christ" (CCC 819)
Then why is it that these "separated churches" are commonly referred to by Catholic clergy including the Pope himself as "ecclesial communities" rather than as "churches?"
 

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It actually dates to the first century and quite possibly is older than the church at Rome.


What a surprise! Of course she does, even though it's a mistaken opinion on her part.

Then why is it that these "separated churches" are commonly referred to by Catholic clergy including the Pope himself as "ecclesial communities" rather than as "churches?"
From a Catholic perspective, Protestant denominations are considered to be "ecclesial communities" rather than "churches" in the full sense of the word. The Catholic Church teaches that it is the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ, and that other Christian communities, including Protestant denominations, have a "deficient" understanding of the nature of the Church and sacraments, and are not in full communion with the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church recognizes that Protestant denominations, despite their separation from the Catholic Church, are true communities of faith and can be considered as "churches" in a certain sense. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that "the separated churches and communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, are yet true churches and communities of Jesus Christ" (CCC 819).

It's important to note that the Catholic Church recognizes that the Protestant Reformation was a complex historical event, with different causes and a wide range of movements, and while it has been a source of division between Christians, it also had positive aspects, such as a renewed emphasis on personal faith and the Bible, and therefore, the Catholic Church encourages ecumenical dialogue with the Protestant denominations.

Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, (Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 1997), 819.
 

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From a Catholic perspective, Protestant denominations are considered to be "ecclesial communities" rather than "churches" in the full sense of the word.
But let's be straightforward. A term like "ecclesial communities" is intended as a putdown, a snide message that Rome does not consider other Christian churches to be churches in actuality.

And whatever theological perspective the Roman Catholic Church has with regard to that matter, it's really quite unChristian to engage in such a practice. Every Protestant church that I am familiar with at least refers to the Roman Catholic Church as a church, whether or not they agree with her beliefs!

The Catholic Church teaches that it is the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ, and that other Christian communities, including Protestant denominations, have a "deficient" understanding of the nature of the Church and sacraments, and are not in full communion with the Catholic Church.
Yes, so?
The Catholic Church recognizes that Protestant denominations, despite their separation from the Catholic Church, are true communities of faith and can be considered as "churches" in a certain sense.
But in practice, it doesn't hold up. It's really quite stunning in this day and age, especially considering that the Catholic Church likes to pretend that it is a big promoter of inter-faith reunion and cooperation, blah blah blah.


It's important to note that the Catholic Church recognizes that the Protestant Reformation was a complex historical event, with different causes and a wide range of movements, and while it has been a source of division between Christians, it also had positive aspects, such as a renewed emphasis on personal faith and the Bible, and therefore, the Catholic Church encourages ecumenical dialogue with the Protestant denominations.
 

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But let's be straightforward. A term like "ecclesial communities" is intended as a putdown, a snide message that Rome does not consider other Christian churches to be churches in actuality.

And whatever theological perspective the Roman Catholic Church has with regard to that matter, it's really quite unChristian to engage in such a practice. Every Protestant church that I am familiar with at least refers to the Roman Catholic Church as a church, whether or not they agree with her beliefs!


Yes, so?

But in practice, it doesn't hold up. It's really quite stunning in this day and age, especially considering that the Catholic Church likes to pretend that it is a big promoter of inter-faith reunion and cooperation, blah blah blah.
The Catholic Church has traditionally viewed Freemasonry with suspicion and has historically prohibited its members from joining the organization. The Catholic Church has concerns about Freemasonry due to its secretive nature and its alleged anti-religious stance. It has been viewed as an organization that promotes a moral and ethical system that is incompatible with Christian doctrine and as a potential rival to the Church.

The Catholic Church also has concerns about the compatibility of Freemasonry with Anglicanism, as Anglicanism is considered a "deficient" form of Christianity. However, the Catholic Church recognizes that the Freemasonry is a complex organization, which may have different branches, some of which may be more or less compatible with Christianity.

In 1983, The Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a Declaration on Masonic Associations which stated that "the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion."

It's worth noting that this document is not a definitive statement on the matter and that the Catholic Church encourages dialogue with other religions and organizations, and also acknowledges that individuals may have different level of involvement or understanding of the organization, and therefore the responsibility of applying the teachings of the Church is up to each individual conscience and the guidance of their spiritual directors.

Source: Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Declaration on Masonic Associations, November 26, 1983.
 

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The Catholic Church has traditionally viewed Freemasonry with suspicion and has historically prohibited its members from joining the organization. The Catholic Church has concerns about Freemasonry due to its secretive nature and its alleged anti-religious stance. It has been viewed as an organization that promotes a moral and ethical system that is incompatible with Christian doctrine and as a potential rival to the Church.

The Catholic Church also has concerns about the compatibility of Freemasonry with Anglicanism, as Anglicanism is considered a "deficient" form of Christianity. However, the Catholic Church recognizes that the Freemasonry is a complex organization, which may have different branches, some of which may be more or less compatible with Christianity.

In 1983, The Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a Declaration on Masonic Associations which stated that "the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion."

In 1983, The Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a Declaration on Masonic Associations which stated that "the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion."
Little of that is true, you should know. For one thing, the claim is not that Freemasonry is irreligious or anti-religious, but that it is "indifferentist," meaning that it supposedly considers all faiths to be equal. Except that Masonry does NOT take that stance or promote it in theory or in practice.

The Masonic lodges merely accept men of all monotheistic faiths, just as the Rotary or the Boy Scouts and most other social organizations do.

And the reason for the Catholic Church to have taken its stand? That concerns the turbulent Nineteenth Century in which the Catholic Church, and the Papacy in particular, were fast losing political power to nationalist movements, international socialism, revolution, popular democracy, and such developments.

Where once the Pope "made and unmade" kings and upstart churches, that power fast was slipping away and really hit bottom when the Kingdom of Italy was created, absorbing the Papal States. One response was to invent the doctrine of Papal Infallibility which accomplished little except the creation of the Old Catholic Churches in reaction to such a blatantly unScriptural and unTraditional notion as "Papal Infallibility." But that was one element in the story of Rome fighting back, however unsuccessfully, and the phony charge against Freemasonry was part of the same counter-offensive.

Fortunately, the Catholic Church's prohibition against its members joining the Masons exists only on paper. There are many Catholics in good standing who are members and officers of Masonic lodges. The fact is often well publicized and their pastors pay no attention to the matter.
 
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It's important to note that the Catholic Church recognizes that the Protestant Reformation was a complex historical event, with different causes and a wide range of movements, and while it has been a source of division between Christians, it also had positive aspects, such as a renewed emphasis on personal faith and the Bible, and therefore, the Catholic Church encourages ecumenical dialogue with the Protestant denominations.

Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, (Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 1997), 819.
"Positive aspects." Yes indeed.

Many of the reforms introduced by the various Protestant movements of the 16th century, all of which the Papacy roundly denounced, have since been adopted by the Roman Catholic Church for itself!

Not surprisingly, they were initiated as if the RCC had come to appreciate each of them on its own. It just took the church a few centuries to catch up.

Here are some examples--
*Allowing the congregation to hear the words of the priest and see the action during Mass.
*Permitting parishioners to receive the chalice in Communion, not reserving it for clergy only.
*Involving the congregation in the liturgy in various ways (responses, hymns, etc.)
*Allowing unordained parishioners to read from the pulpit during Mass.
*Establishing parish councils with laypersons as members.
*Having Mass be in the language of the people (Spanish, English) rather than in Latin.
*Promoting Bible Study groups.
*No longer requiring private, sacramental Confession prior to receiving Holy Communion.
*Allowing girls to be altar servers.
*Allowing the laity to serve as Eucharistic Ministers.
 
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Little of that is true, you should know. For one thing, the claim is not that Freemasonry is irreligious or anti-religious, but that it is "indifferentist," meaning that it supposedly considers all faiths to be equal. Except that Masonry does NOT take that stance or promote it in theory or in practice.

The Masonic lodges merely accept men of all monotheistic faiths, just as the Rotary or the Boy Scouts and most other social organizations do.

And the reason for the Catholic Church to have taken its stand? That concerns the turbulent Nineteenth Century in which the Catholic Church, and the Papacy in particular, were fast losing political power to nationalist movements, international socialism, revolution, popular democracy, and such developments.

Where once the Pope "made and unmade" kings and upstart churches, that power fast was slipping away and really hit bottom when the Kingdom of Italy was created, absorbing the Papal States. One response was to invent the doctrine of Papal Infallibility which accomplished little except the creation of the Old Catholic Churches in reaction to such a blatantly unScriptural and unTraditional notion as "Papal Infallibility." But that was one element in the story of Rome fighting back, however unsuccessfully, and the phony charge against Freemasonry was part of the same counter-offensive.

Fortunately, the Catholic Church's prohibition against its members joining the Masons exists only on paper. There are many Catholics in good standing who are members and officers of Masonic lodges. The fact is often well publicized and their pastors pay no attention to the matter.
From a Catholic perspective, Freemasonry is viewed as a secret society that is incompatible with the teachings of the Church. The Church has consistently condemned Freemasonry throughout its history, with several papal decrees and statements being issued against it.

One of the most notable examples is the 1738 papal bull "In eminenti apostolatus" issued by Pope Clement XII, which excommunicated Masons and banned Catholics from joining the organization. This papal bull was reaffirmed by Pope Leo XIII in 1884 in the encyclical "Humanum genus". Pope Pius XI also spoke out against Freemasonry in the encyclical "Mortalium animos" in 1928.

The Church's main objections to Freemasonry are that it promotes a naturalistic and relativistic understanding of God, and that it undermines the authority of the Church by promoting a "universal brotherhood" that is independent of religious and national boundaries. The Church also objects to the secrecy and oath-taking associated with Freemasonry, as well as certain Masonic symbols and rituals which are viewed as occult or anti-Christian.

It's important to note that these statements and Papal decrees are official teachings of the Catholic Church and are still valid today.
 

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"Positive aspects." Yes indeed.

Many of the reforms introduced by the various Protestant movements of the 16th century, all of which the Papacy roundly denounced, have since been adopted by the Roman Catholic Church for itself!

Not surprisingly, they were initiated as if the RCC had come to appreciate each of them on its own. It just took the church a few centuries to catch up.

Here are some examples--
*Allowing the congregation to hear the words of the priest and see the action during Mass.
*Permitting parishioners to receive the chalice in Communion, not reserving it for clergy only.
*Involving the congregation in the liturgy in various ways (responses, hymns, etc.)
*Allowing unordained parishioners to read from the pulpit during Mass.
*Establishing parish councils with laypersons as members.
*Having Mass be in the language of the people (Spanish, English) rather than in Latin.
*Promoting Bible Study groups.
*No longer requiring private, sacramental Confession prior to receiving Holy Communion.
*Allowing girls to be altar servers.
*Allowing the laity to serve as Eucharistic Ministers.
From a Catholic perspective, 16th century Protestantism represented a significant break from traditional Christian teachings and a challenge to the authority of the Catholic Church. The Protestant Reformation, led by figures such as Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Henry VIII, resulted in the formation of new Protestant denominations that rejected many of the teachings and practices of the Catholic Church.

One of the main objections of the Protestant Reformers was the corruption and abuses they saw within the Catholic Church, particularly with regard to the sale of indulgences and the perceived power of the Pope. They also rejected the doctrine of transubstantiation and the role of the saints and the Virgin Mary in salvation.

The Catholic Church responded to the Protestant Reformation with the Council of Trent (1545-1563), which clarified and reaffirmed traditional Catholic teachings and practices. The Council also addressed some of the specific criticisms of the Reformers, such as the sale of indulgences and the role of good works in salvation.

It's important to note that the Catholic Church considers the Protestant denominations as not being in line with the original teachings of Christianity, and sees the Protestant Reformation as a schismatic movement.
 

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From a Catholic perspective, Freemasonry is viewed as a secret society that is incompatible with the teachings of the Church.
That is what the Catholic Church says about Freemasonry, among other things, but I thought readers would be interested in the actual facts.

When it comes to it being a secret society, there are almost no secrets in Freemasonry. There are all sorts of books and TV documentaries, every lodge is prominently placed in town and the activities are advertised. The ceremonies are well-documented.

By contrast, The Knights of Columbus, which is the Roman Catholic alternative to Masonry, is actually much, much more secretive, so I cannot imagine how the Catholic Church's claim about Masonry being secret makes sense.

The Church's main objections to Freemasonry are that it promotes a naturalistic and relativistic understanding of God,
How so?
and that it undermines the authority of the Church by promoting a "universal brotherhood" that is independent of religious and national boundaries.
That's just silly. There is hardly any organization that is more universal than the Roman Catholic Church and she prides herself on that fact.

And as for the idea that Masonry "undermines the authority of the (Catholic) Church," that's not to be taken seriously. On the one hand, the Papacy's claim is that Masonry is secret and religiously indifferent...but at the same time, it's supposed by the same Papacy to be active in "undermining" the Catholic Church!

As I mentioned previously, Masonry accepts men from any monotheistic religion, Catholicism included. While Catholicism spends its time worrying about Masonry, Masonry doesn't have any interest in taking sides between the various churches, although it does encourage its members, most of whom are Christians, to be faithful members of whatever church they belong to.
 
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From a Catholic perspective, 16th century Protestantism represented a significant break from traditional Christian teachings and a challenge to the authority of the Catholic Church. The Protestant Reformation, led by figures such as Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Henry VIII, resulted in the formation of new Protestant denominations that rejected many of the teachings and practices of the Catholic Church.
Henry VIII, a lifelong Catholic, didn't start any new church.
One of the main objections of the Protestant Reformers was the corruption and abuses they saw within the Catholic Church, particularly with regard to the sale of indulgences and the perceived power of the Pope. They also rejected the doctrine of transubstantiation and the role of the saints and the Virgin Mary in salvation.
True. None of those was believed in by the Apostolic Church and none has support in Scripture or Tradition. They are all, in other words, later innovations.
The Catholic Church responded to the Protestant Reformation with the Council of Trent (1545-1563), which clarified and reaffirmed traditional Catholic teachings and practices.
Well, some of them.

In reaction to the Reformers declaring the books of the Apocrypha to not belong in the Bible, the Catholic Council of Trent responded by kicking out some of those books itself.
It's important to note that the Catholic Church considers the Protestant denominations as not being in line with the original teachings of Christianity, and sees the Protestant Reformation as a schismatic movement.
Why would that be important to know? I think we all are pretty well aware of the fact that there are many different denominations in Christendom--Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Protestant, and more--and that this has come to be for the very reason that there is disagreement among them on doctrine. If not, there wouldn't be as many denominations as there are.
 
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Henry VIII, a lifelong Catholic, didn't start any new church.

True. None of those was believed in by the Apostolic Church and none has support in Scripture or Tradition. They are all, in other words, later innovations.

Well, some of them.

In reaction to the Reformers declaring the books of the Apocrypha to not belong in the Bible, the Catholic Council of Trent responded by kicking out some of those books itself.

Why would that be important to know? I think we all are pretty well aware of the fact that there are many different denominations in Christendom--Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Protestant, and more--and that this has come to be for the very reason that there is disagreement among them on doctrine. If not, there wouldn't be as many denominations as there are.
The belief in the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, also known as transubstantiation, is rooted in the teachings of the early Church, particularly the apostolic tradition. The doctrine of the real presence is based on the belief that Jesus Christ is truly present in the Eucharist, both in his body and blood, under the appearances of bread and wine.
Scripture references that are often used to support the belief in the real presence include:
  • John 6:53-58, in which Jesus says "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."
  • Luke 22:19-20, where Jesus says "This bread is my body, which is given for you. This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you."
  • 1 Corinthians 11:23-26, where Paul instructs the Church to partake of the Eucharist in remembrance of Jesus.
Transubstantiation is also rooted in the apostolic tradition, it is the teaching that the bread and wine used in the Eucharist truly become the body and blood of Jesus Christ through the consecration by a validly ordained priest during the mass.
The Catholic Church teaches that the doctrine of the real presence and transubstantiation is rooted in the teachings of the apostles and that it has been continuously held by the Church throughout its history. It is also affirmed in the councils of Lateran IV in 1215, Council of Trent in 1551 and Vatican Council I in 1870.
 

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The belief in the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, also known as transubstantiation, is rooted in the teachings of the early Church, particularly the apostolic tradition.

Real Presence is (Apostolic).

Transubstantiation is not. It's of Medieval origin.
 
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