'He's Lost It'

[Jazzy]

Americans across the nation weighed in on whether President Joe Biden should run for reelection in 2024, with a vast majority telling Fox News he should not seek a second term.

"No, I don't think Biden should run again," said Emma, a Nashville resident. "I just think he's too old, and he's lost it and people have really lost respect for him."

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In your opinion: Should President Joe Biden run for reelection in 2024? (Why/Why Not)

 

[tango]

A major problem with US politics is that you could field a turnip as your candidate and the chances are 30-40% of the electorate would vote for it based on nothing more than whether it was listed as Turnip (D) or Turnip (R).

There's a lot to dislike about the UK political model but at least the incompetence or outright dishonesty of British politicians catches up with them, even if it takes a while. In the US people write executive orders, promptly violate their own orders, and pay zero political price for it.

As to whether Biden should stand again I doubt it will make a lot of difference. The party faithful will vote for the (D) candidate regardless, the Republican party faithful will vote for the (R) candidate regardless, and the floating voters in the middle will decide which option is the lesser of two evils. It's a pretty sorry state of affairs when leading the country is down to whichever candidate is less bad.

 

[Faith]

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In your opinion: Should President Joe Biden run for reelection in 2024? (Why/Why Not)

I voted for him, but no, I think he shouldn’t. However, if he does, and if he runs against Trump I’ll either vote for Biden or a lesser candidate. But I wont vote for Trump.

 

[tango]

I voted for him, but no, I think he shouldn’t. However, if he does, and if he runs against Trump I’ll either vote for Biden or a lesser candidate. But I wont vote for Trump.

I think this sums up the problem perfectly.

To be clear, I'm not criticising Faith but the system overall. Someone who doesn't think Biden should run again but would consider voting for him simply to keep a candidate believed to be worse out of office.

Back in 2016 it was widely said that Trump's primary benefit was that he wasn't Clinton, and Clinton's primary benefit was that she wasn't Trump. I'm not sure Trump/Biden in 2020 was much better. If the only reason to vote for a candidate is to keep the other candidate out of office it doesn't say much for the overall system. The country has more than 300,000,000 people - surely this isn't the best it can manage?

 

[Faith]

I think this sums up the problem perfectly.

To be clear, I'm not criticising Faith but the system overall. Someone who doesn't think Biden should run again but would consider voting for him simply to keep a candidate believed to be worse out of office.

Back in 2016 it was widely said that Trump's primary benefit was that he wasn't Clinton, and Clinton's primary benefit was that she wasn't Trump. I'm not sure Trump/Biden in 2020 was much better. If the only reason to vote for a candidate is to keep the other candidate out of office it doesn't say much for the overall system. The country has more than 300,000,000 people - surely this isn't the best it can manage?

I agree with you.

 

[Albion]

The country has more than 300,000,000 people - surely this isn't the best it can manage?

Of course it isn't. However, the decision is made by people who listen to and watch the left-wing news services and then vote for the Party that they serve.

They've been proven wrong on one criticism of Trump after another, from the 'Russia Russia Russia' hoax to the two impeachments based on nothing, to the "insurrection" that didn't happen...to the ransacking of his home because of some alleged documents of the kind that Biden has also been found to have kept for himself. And yet 40% or so of the voting public still imagines that the Party for whom all these news channels and publications work was telling them the truth!

 

[Lamb]

Of course it isn't. However, the decision is made by people who listen to and watch the left-wing news services and then vote for the Party that they serve.

They've been proven wrong on one criticism of Trump after another, from the 'Russia Russia Russia' hoax to the two impeachments based on nothing, to the "insurrection" that didn't happen...to the ransacking of his home because of some alleged documents of the kind that Biden has also been found to have kept for himself. And yet 40% or so of the voting public still imagines that the Party for whom all these news channels and publications work was telling them the truth!

Yep, they're being manipulated for sure. All that hate for a man who didn't do all the things the media/gov said he did.

 

[tango]

Of course it isn't. However, the decision is made by people who listen to and watch the left-wing news services and then vote for the Party that they serve.

They've been proven wrong on one criticism of Trump after another, from the 'Russia Russia Russia' hoax to the two impeachments based on nothing, to the "insurrection" that didn't happen...to the ransacking of his home because of some alleged documents of the kind that Biden has also been found to have kept for himself. And yet 40% or so of the voting public still imagines that the Party for whom all these news channels and publications work was telling them the truth!

I can't argue with any of those points, but let's not pretend there isn't a substantial proportion of the population that would vote for a turnip if it had a red rosette on it.

It's still a pretty sad state of affairs when you really don't want your own party's candidate to win but vote for them just because they are preferable to the other party's candidate. I was surprised during the 2016 electoral cycle just how many Republicans didn't want Trump to be the president, and how many Democrats didn't want Clinton to be the president. It's hardly surprising that each side expressed a strong dislike for the other side's candidate but I was surprised at the level of hostility from both sides to their own party's ticket.

 

[Josiah]

I don't think Biden ever had it.

But I respected and liked him a lot more when he was boldly pro-life and when he was a "moderate Democrat." But that's all gone now.

I didn't vote for him before and won't again. But then I've never voted for Trump either.



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