Baptismal regeneration

[MoreCoffee]

Baptismal regeneration is, in my opinion, something of a Protestant term. In Catholicism it is just baptism.

Within Protestantism there are fundamentalists, Catholicism also has some people who are pretty close in mentality to Fundamentalism. And generally people who write on the subject seem to think that Fundamentalists take the bible literally. Taking the bible literally is a hard to define thing. Obviously Fundamentalists do not expect to see a lamb with seven eyes, or a beast with seven heads and ten horns. So, fundamentalists do not take everything in the bible (66 book editions only) literally. Nor do Catholics take everything in the bible literally. Quite the contrary, Catholics take the bible seriously but usually not too literally. Nevertheless, Catholics do take some wording in the scriptures very seriously. Examples are like these:

• Truly, I say to you, If a man's birth is not from water and from the Spirit, it is not possible for him to go into the kingdom of God.
• And now, why do you delay? Rise up, and be baptised, and wash away your sins, by invoking his name.
• For through baptism we have been buried with him into death, so that, in the manner that Christ rose from the dead, by the glory of the Father, so may we also walk in the newness of life.

There are many such passages in scripture. Some will take them as metaphors for something that they assert to be invisible and spiritual. Catholics do not, though Catholics do teach and believe that in baptism something invisible and spiritual takes place along with the visible and material action of baptism.

 

[Josiah]

The LUTHERAN position on Baptism:

Lutheran Perspective on Baptism

There are several points, they are to be taken TOGETHER, they will mean several posts (since post length here is restricted). I share NOT with the goal of changing anyone's mind on this but to share the perspective of Lutherans on this. Let me make clear too that there are several issues here...

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The first 10 posts explain all aspects of it...



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[Albion]

Baptismal regeneration is, in my opinion, something of a Protestant term. In Catholicism it is just baptism.

Right.

...Catholics do teach and believe that in baptism something invisible and spiritual takes place along with the visible and material action of baptism.

...which might otherwise be termed "Baptismal Regeneration," but which instead is simply described as a forgiveness of sin.

 

[Josiah]

@Albion

Catholics and Protestants don't agree on everything. But some Catholics are so anti-Protestant that they'll denounce them (or least suggest disagreement) even when they agree (but perhaps don't word it identically). Protestants just CAN'T be right - even when they believe the same as the Catholic. It works the other way too, some Protestants are so Anti-Catholic that they will repudiate Catholic faith even when they actually believe the same thing. Catholics just can't be right - even when they and Catholics believe the same thing on an issue. I long for the day when the "They can't be right ... I'll rebuke them even I agree with them" nonsense ends.


Back to the thread: Catholicism officially holds that Baptism is effectual. So do most (but certainly not all) Protestants. It's not exactly a Catholic vs. Protestant debate. IF a Catholic reads the thread linked in post #2, and if they know the Catholic position, they will see the great similarity. And if they aren't part of that "Anti-Protestantism" mentality, that "If a Protestant believes it, it therefore is wrong" attitude, they'll rejoice at the commonality.



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[MoreCoffee]

The first 10 posts explain all aspects of it

Too long, I didn't read all 10.