The best human trait

[donadams]

No scripture teaches what you claim. If it does, prove it.

Did God seal Noah in the ark and save him?

 

[donadams]

I did, they baptized me, a trinitarian, in the name of Jesus Christ as taught in scripture.

According to acts 2:38?

there are two subjects in acts 2:38
One) baptism
Two) the command given in the name of Jesus
The command to be baptized (according to Christ and Matt 28:19) are given in the name of Jesus!

 

[donadams]

That is not scripture. It is your interpretation of scripture

Then all Christians have the same ministry power and authority as the apostles???

 

[donadams]

This is not true. Any Christian could do what the pope claims special privileges for. Each Christian is a priest and can remit sins.

Really? All are priests according to the order of melchisedec?

 

[1689Dave]

Really? All are priests according to the order of melchisedec?

“But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:” 1 Peter 2:9 (KJV 1900)

 

[1689Dave]

Then all Christians have the same ministry power and authority as the apostles???

No, and neither does the Pope. The Apostles didn't kill thousands that did not agree with them. Possibly millions.

 

[1689Dave]

According to acts 2:38?

there are two subjects in acts 2:38
One) baptism
Two) the command given in the name of Jesus
The command to be baptized (according to Christ and Matt 28:19) are given in the name of Jesus!

They baptized me, an adult believer, by immersion in a lake, in the name of Jesus Christ. I'm a trinitarian, and so were they.

 

[1689Dave]

Did God seal Noah in the ark and save him?

What's your point?

 

[1689Dave]

I called to your attention the Creeds that are not just the statements of belief of certain denominations. Feel free to comment on them, if you wish, and attempt an explanation as to why they do not support your theory.

Folks think you are a heretic if you disavow the Ecumenical Creeds. Find in any of the Ecumenical Creeds where they disagree with me. Prove you are not lying about me.

 

[1689Dave]

The best human trait? Scripture says:

Total Depravity

Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly believe the gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt. His will is not free, it is in bondage to his evil nature; therefore, he will not--indeed he cannot--choose good over evil in the spiritual realm. Consequently, it takes much more than the Spirit's assistance to bring a sinner to Christ--it takes regeneration by which the Spirit makes the sinner alive and gives him a new nature. Faith is not something man contributes to salvation but is itself a part of God's gift of salvation--it is God's gift to the sinner, not the sinner’s gift to God.

(Genesis 2:15-17, Romans 5:12, Psalm 51:5, 1 Corinthians 2:14, Romans 3:10-18, Jeremiah 17:9, John 6:44, Ephesians 2:1-10)

David N. Steele & Curtis C. Thomas The Five Points of Calvinism

 

[donadams]

Paul describes the Papacy as Antichrist:

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” 2 Thessalonians 2:3–4 (KJV 1900)

The Church (Christendom) is the Temple of God in the New Testament. Vicar of Christ = in place of Christ.

there is only one “man of sin” singular the anti-christ

was the papacy anti-christ for 1500 years before the pride of the so called reformers?

Vicar of Christ does not say anything about Peter or his successors but is all about Christ who is acting thru them! Jn 15:5
Christ ascended to heaven!
Who did he appoint to administer his kingdom until he returns
Only Christ has authority to found the church all others are heretical sects thanks

 

[1689Dave]

there is only one “man of sin” singular the anti-christ

was the papacy anti-christ for 1500 years before the pride of the so called reformers?

Vicar of Christ does not say anything about Peter or his successors but is all about Christ who is acting thru them! Jn 15:5
Christ ascended to heaven!
Who did he appoint to administer his kingdom until he returns
Only Christ has authority to found the church all others are heretical sects thanks

It's the institution. Here's something Augustine said: "And on this account some think that in this passage Antichrist means not the prince himself alone, but his whole body, that is, the mass of men who adhere to him, along with him their prince; and they also think that we should render the Greek more exactly were we to read, not “in the temple of God,” but “for” or “as the temple of God,” as if he himself were the temple of God, the Church." City of God; Chapter 19.

 

[Albion]

Folks think you are a heretic if you disavow the Ecumenical Creeds. Find in any of the Ecumenical Creeds where they disagree with me. Prove you are not lying about me.

That's already been done, and if you enjoy repeating yourself endlessly, the rest of us have grown weary of having to explain something to you several times over only to have you pretend you never got the reply. I will say, however, that the Ecumenical Creeds are very explicit on the doctrine of the Trinity, firmly refuting your anti-Trinitatian heresies.

 

[1689Dave]

That's already been done, and if you enjoy repeating yourself endlessly, the rest of us have grown weary of having to explain something to you several times over only to have you pretend you never got the reply. I will say, however, that the Ecumenical Creeds are very explicit on the doctrine of the Trinity, firmly refuting your anti-Trinitatian heresies.

You don't need to follow my posts. Just hit the ignore button. You reply the same for everything I repeat, so why bother?

 

[donadams]

Those who thought that way were going by the many doctrinal innovations that were made during the Middle Ages by the Roman Church such, for instance, as Transubstantiation, Purgatory, saint worship, claims of Papal Infallibility, and so on.

Thinking that none of these were Scriptural OR in accord with the teachings and practices of the early church, these people were inclined to think that the end of the age was near, and these developments were indications of it. In addition, the Papacy itself had become very worldly and political during the century that came just before the Reformation, so that also played a part. Naturally, we today think that the charge ("anti-Christ") was extreme, but most moderns aren't very well acquainted with the world as it was at that time.


Yes, but not necessarily every denomination...and not at all times.

You forgot “call no man father”!

The early church was Protestant? Show me that in the church fathers writings?

“I am” the sole arbiter of truth!
I don’t see these things in the Bible so they must be false doctrine!
Cos “I” sa
What is there motive? see below
There was no reformation the started completely new churches with new doctrines

The church is the kingdom of God n earth and Christ is the king and “all must be in subjection to Christ the king of Glory”!

 

[donadams]

do they operate from a motive of pride, and the nature of pride is always to protest, rebellion, and to stand in opposition!

The nature of humility is always faithfulness, obedience, subjection, and meekness!

A Virtue of Jesus Christ!

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Example:

St Joseph never says a single word in scripture but always faithfully obeys in all humility and allows scripture to speak volumes for Him!

Matt 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man!

 

[Albion]

You forgot “call no man father”!

I was trying to explain the historic situation to you and also use a few examples, that's all.

The early church was Protestant? Show me that in the church fathers writings?

The early church did NOT believe in those practices or beliefs that I named for you. There were many innovations that came along, with Papal approval, during later centuries.

You should be able to understand--even if you don't agree with where it ultimately took the reformers--that the introduction of such beliefs could reasonably be seen as wrong and in need of correction.

 

[Albion]

do they operate from a motive of pride, and the nature of pride is always to protest, rebellion, and to stand in opposition!

There was plenty of pride on both sides of this historic dispute. Do not suppose that if one man had achieved the position of sole head of the universal church with almost unlimited powers over it...that he'd be immune to the sin of pride!

Give a little thought to that 'speck in your own eye' advice from Scripture the next time you are set to lecture the rest of us about how your denomination is the only real church, the only one founded by Christ himself, the only one that can trace its record back to the Apostles, and other such mythology.

You might also notice that the members of none of the Protestant churches represented here make anywhere near those kinds of claims for their own churches.

 

[Albion]

You forgot “call no man father”!

We call the priests in our church by that term also, so we can call your sarcasm a failure.

 

[donadams]

“But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:” 1 Peter 2:9 (KJV 1900)

That’s the priesthood of the people
But Christ and his apostles are of the order of melchisedec! Heb 7:17