Daily defense of the divinity of Jesus Christ!

[Albion]

Are there other creeds?

Oh yes, but the ones that are broadly accepted as being definitive are the Apostles' Creed, the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed, and perhaps also the Athanasian and Chalcedonian Creeds (which, however, are almost never recited).

 

[donadams]

Oh yes, but the ones that are broadly accepted as being definitive are the Apostles' Creed, the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed, and perhaps also the Athanasian and Chalcedonian Creeds (which, however, are almost never recited).

Thanks I look at them

 

[donadams]

Acts 16:17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

Paul was a servant of Jesus Christ who is God! Acts 9:16

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Acts 9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

thy saints? Saint of Jesus Christ the most high God!

 

[Albion]

Paul was a servant of Jesus Christ who is God! Acts 9:16...

Acts 9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

thy saints? Saint of Jesus Christ the most high God!

Keep in mind that before Paul became an Apostle and missionary of Christ, he had been a persecutor of Christians.

In these verses from the Book of Acts, Paul is identified as the new person he became after Jesus struck him down on the road to Damascus and called him into God's service, but Ananias (a Christian himself) remembered that Saul (as he was then known) had formerly been active in persecuting of the Christian people.

 

[donadams]

Jesus is worshipped!
Only God may be worshipped!

Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Matthew 2:11
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

Matthew 8:2
And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

Matthew 9:18
While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.

Matthew 14:33
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Matthew 15:25
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

John 9:38
And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

 

[donadams]

John 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Only God has this power!

Jn 14:6 only God is the way the truth and the life!

 

[donadams]

Only God existed before the world began!

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Jesus is divine

 

[donadams]

Matt 5: 21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, (by God) Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Only God gave the commandments only God can change them!

Matthew 8:26
And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Only God has this power!

 

[Origen]

Only God existed before the world began!

Job 38:4-7 seems to suggest other wise.

4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.

5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?

6 On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,

7 when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

Although the Bible does not specifically say when God created the angels, the author points to the celebratory singing\shouts of the angels at the creation of the Earth.

 

[donadams]

Job 38:4-7 seems to suggest other wise.

4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.

5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?

6 On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,

7 when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

Although the Bible does not specifically say when God created the angels, the author points to the celebratory singing\shouts of the angels at the creation of the Earth.

The angels are part of creation
Why do you say sons of God are angels?

 

[donadams]

Do you thinks the sons of God in Gen 6 are angels too?

 

[Origen]

The angels are part of creation
Why do you say sons of God are angels?

If you do not think these "sons of God" are angels that is irrelevant to my point in regard to your claim.

You stated:

Only God existed before the world began!

Whoever they are they existed before the Earth. God's point is Job was not there when God "laid the foundation of the earth" and the sons of God sang\shouted with joy when He did so.

 

[donadams]

If you do not think these "sons of God" are angels that is irrelevant to my point in regard to your claim.

You stated:

Whoever they are they existed before the Earth. God's point is Job was not there when God "laid the foundation of the earth" and the sons of God sang\shouted with joy when He did so.

I agree but the world don’t mean the earth it means creation, before creation only God existed all else is created by God
Thanks

 

[Origen]

I agree but the world don’t mean the earth it means creation, before creation only God existed all else is created by God
Thanks

Yet it states the text that "sons of God" sang\shouted with joy when He did so (i.e. when he laid the foundation of the earth).

"when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

Thus the "sons" of God" must have existed before that event.

 

[donadams]

Yet it states the text that "sons of God" sang\shouted with joy when He did so (i.e. when he laid the foundation of the earth).

"when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

Thus the "sons" of God" much have existed before that event.

Ok God created them before the earth but not before the creation

 

[Albion]

This site explains the sequence pretty clearly--

When did God create the angels? | GotQuestions.org

When did God create the angels? Did God create the angels before or after He created the world and humanity?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Origen]

Ok God created them before the earth but not before the creation

Gen. 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

These are not recorded as two separate events but one. God did not create the heavens then the Earth.

 

[donadams]

Gen. 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

These are not recorded as two separate events but one. God did not create the heavens then the Earth.

Can created beings exist before Creation?

 

[Albion]

Can created beings exist before Creation?

Yes.

But first, what do you mean by "Creation," which I see you've capitalized, indicating that you are referring to something very specific.

Normally, the term is used to refer to God bringing into existence our universe and its inhabitants.

 

[donadams]

Yes.

But first, what do you mean by "Creation," which I see you've capitalized, indicating that you are referring to something very specific.

Normally, the term is used to refer to God bringing into existence our universe and its inhabitants.

Yes so only God existed before the creation or all God created