Jesus born at thy birth

[1689Dave]

That's in the quote.

So what do you think? Explain it if you know.

 

[Lamb]

So what do you think? Explain it if you know.

The quote says this:

the Father is eternal, the Son eternal, the Holy Spirit eternal; yet they are not three who are eternal, but there is one who is eternal,

That answers your question and there is no explanation needed beyond that UNLESS, as I asked, if you're asking about the two natures of Christ?

 

[1689Dave]

The quote says this:

the Father is eternal, the Son eternal, the Holy Spirit eternal; yet they are not three who are eternal, but there is one who is eternal,

That answers your question and there is no explanation needed beyond that UNLESS, as I asked, if you're asking about the two natures of Christ?

I'm talking about "Eternal Sonship" vs "Incarnate Sonship". One is true, the other heresy. Scripture teaches "Eternal Sonship".

 

[Lamb]

I'm talking about "Eternal Sonship" vs "Incarnate Sonship". One is true, the other heresy. Scripture teaches "Eternal Sonship".

So you ARE talking about Christ's two natures. That's what I asked before.

 

[1689Dave]

So you ARE talking about Christ's two natures. That's what I asked before.

Not at all. Two versions of the Trinity. One true, the other false.

 

[Lamb]

Not at all. Two versions of the Trinity. One true, the other false.

Maybe you could explain what you mean then since you don't accept the Athanasian Creed?

 

[1689Dave]

Maybe you could explain what you mean then since you don't accept the Athanasian Creed?

I accept all the Ecumenical Creeds. But more detail is available than in the Athanasian creed. Why does your church have its own creed if this is not true?

 

[Lamb]

I accept all the Ecumenical Creeds. But more detail is available than in the Athanasian creed. Why does your church have its own creed if this is not true?

What do you mean by "Why does your church have its own creed"? I don't understand this part of your question.

 

[Josiah]

I'm very careful with wording which is why I quoted the creed.

Now, if you could tell me what you mean by Son in the way you worded your question, then that would be helpful? I'm having a feeling it has to do with the two natures of Christ that would be your answer.

Dave's ignorance of two of THE most basic, essential dogmas of Christianity is stunning, isn't it? Heretical views of the Trinity, heretical ones of the Incarnation/Two Natures of Christ.

But Lamb, there is no discussion with him. It's impossible to try to discuss anything with one who considers himself infallible and who admits he doesn't always read what others post to him.



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[1689Dave]

Dave's ignorance of two of THE most basic, essential dogmas of Christianity is stunning, isn't it? Heretical views of the Trinity, heretical ones of the Incarnation/Two Natures of Christ.

But Lamb, there is no discussion with him. It's impossible to try to discuss anything with one who considers himself infallible and who admits he doesn't always read what others post to him.



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I don't think you understand the Trinity doctrines by your accusing me of that. And if you could prove me wrong, you would have already done so. I believe all of the Ecumenical Creeds are spot on in what they teach. That is where I learned the details of the Trinity and Christology. Why don't you explain the Trinity and the two natures of Christ so we can clear my name from your false charges? In front of everyone? Would you be willing to debate me against you and your special friend's false charge?

 

[1689Dave]

What do you mean by "Why does your church have its own creed"? I don't understand this part of your question.

If the Athanasian Creed is exhaustive, why have more creeds? It is very elementary.

 

[Lamb]

If the Athanasian Creed is exhaustive, why have more creeds? It is very elementary.

Creeds were written to denounce specific heresies. That's why.

 

[1689Dave]

Creeds were written to denounce specific heresies. That's why.

Yet few read or understand them. The evidence is, Creeds unify, and ignorance of them divides.

 

[1689Dave]

Have you considered that Churches also write their own creeds that center on the false teaching that divides them from the rest of the body of Christ? Paul forbids this as carnal-mindedness. But this is why so many different forms of Christianity exist today. And if you present the Bible to them, they rebuff you with slander, lies, and rantings, which scripture knows nothing of.