Daily defense of the divinity of Jesus Christ!

[1689Dave]

What's that mean to you?

It means most today cannot define essential Christian doctrines. How many do you think could recite the Ten Commandments if asked while leaving Church?

 

[Albion]

It means most today cannot define essential Christian doctrines. How many do you think could recite the Ten Commandments if asked while leaving Church?

I meant how does what you said about the Holy Ghost explain what or who the HG is and how that relates to the Father and Son.

 

[1689Dave]

I meant how does what you said about the Holy Ghost explain what or who the HG is and how that relates to the Father and Son.

To be specific, There is One divine Spirit called God. Who consists of three co-equal, co-eternal hypostasis'. Also called persons for lack of a better term. Who are bound in eternal love for each other. The Father eternally begets the Son, who with the Father, and eternally from both proceeds the Holy Spirit.

 

[atpollard]

You'd think so, but just yesterday one of our members was arguing that unless Jesus said "I am God" in exactly those words...then he wasn't God. Or at least we cannot trust what he DID say about his own identity. And "Lord" was specifically ruled out by that poster.

Boo! Hiss!
It was explained to you that the point was not to question the Trinity. The point was: Demanding your opponent provide a verbatim quote of YOUR CHOOSING or else their doctrine must be false is a dishonest double standard that is not applied to ALL DOCTRINES (it is only applied to doctrines that you dislike).

I doubt that you were unable to comprehend the explanation, so this misrepresentation must be deliberate.

 

[atpollard]

No just verses that defend the divinity of Christ.

John 20:28-29 [NKJV]
And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed [are] those who have not seen and [yet] have believed."

Believed What: "My Lord and my God!"

 

[Albion]

To be specific, There is One divine Spirit called God. Who consists of three co-equal, co-eternal hypostasis'. Also called persons for lack of a better term. Who are bound in eternal love for each other. The Father eternally begets the Son, who with the Father, and eternally from both proceeds the Holy Spirit.

Now, to be clear, please explain how that answer ^ squares with this other statement of yours--

"Jesus Christ is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."

 

[1689Dave]

Now, to be clear, please explain how that answer ^ squares with this other statement of yours--

"Jesus Christ is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."

God our salvation anointed = Jesus Christ defined. God (the trinity) was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. Lord in the LXX = YHWH. The Lord Jesus Christ = YHWH in the NT. Baptize them in the Name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit = they baptized them in the name of Jesus Christ. In Him dwells the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” Jude 5 (ESV)

“and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they were all drinking from the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.” (1 Corinthians 10:4)

“Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.” 1 Corinthians 10:9 (KJV 1900)

“Jesus Christ” is a composite name made up of the personal name “Jesus” (from Gk Iēsous, which transliterates Heb/Aram yēšû (a)ʿ, a late form of Hebrew yĕhôšûaʿ, the meaning of which is “YHWH is salvation” or “YHWH saves/has saved”) and the title, assimilated in early Christianity to Jesus as a name, “Christ” (from Gk Christos, which translates Heb māšı̂aḥ and Aram mĕšı̂ḥāʾ, signifying “anointed” and referring in the context of eschatological expectation to the royal “son of David”). The name “Jesus Christ” thus binds together the historic figure Jesus with the messianic role and status that early Christian faith attributed to him. In Jesus’ own lifetime, his name, since it was common in Israel, called for a specifier: “Jesus the Galilean” (Matt 26:69; cf.21:11), or, more often, “Jesus of Nazareth” or “Jesus the Nazarean.”

Meyer, B. F. (1992). Jesus (Person): Jesus Christ. In D. N. Freedman (Ed.), The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (Vol. 3, p. 773). New York: Doubleday.

 

[Lamb]

As for this statement: "Jesus Christ is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." I have seen that as a Oneness belief. Are you affiliated with that sect?

 

[1689Dave]

As for this statement: "Jesus Christ is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." I have seen that as a Oneness belief. Are you affiliated with that sect?

They are modal monarchians. Do you know what that means? It would help if you did. I'm trinitarian.

 

[Lamb]

They are modal monarchians. Do you know what that means? It would help if you did. I'm trinitarian.

Yes, I am familiar with the terms.

 

[Lamb]

I meant to add that they are not trinitarian so why are you using their language?

 

[1689Dave]

Yes, I am familiar with the terms.

Why go with the Papacy who destroyed the Apostle's authority, taking it upon himself to restate the baptismal formula? And accuse me of things you obviously do not understand. A guy that was actually re-baptized as a trinitarian, according to scripture, in love for Christ? I've never experienced hatred as I do on this board.

 

[Lamb]

Why go with the Papacy who destroyed the Apostle's authority, taking it upon himself to restate the baptismal formula? And accuse me of things you obviously do not understand. A guy that was actually re-baptized as a trinitarian, according to scripture, in love for Christ?

The Oneness group is not trinitarian.

 

[1689Dave]

The Oneness group is not trinitarian.

That is true. You said you knew what modal Monarchianism is. Obviously, you do not.

 

[Lamb]

That is true. You said you knew what modal Monarchianism is. Obviously, you do not.

Your quote was a Oneness quote...if you abide by Oneness theology, then you are not Trinitarian.

 

[1689Dave]

Your quote was a Oneness quote...if you abide by Oneness theology, then you are not Trinitarian.

It is scripture. Can you prove it is not? If you twist the scripture, does that mean all LCMS people do?

 

[Lamb]

Why go with the Papacy who destroyed the Apostle's authority, taking it upon himself to restate the baptismal formula? And accuse me of things you obviously do not understand. A guy that was actually re-baptized as a trinitarian, according to scripture, in love for Christ? I've never experienced hatred as I do on this board.

You accuse us of hatred and that's a false accusation. All we've done is correct your poor theology. Here on CH, Oneness is not trinitarian so I need to remove that from your profile.

 

[donadams]

It is. But that's the name of one particular twist on the subject of the nature and identity of God, and Dave rephrases his idea of God very slightly every time he's challenged. So to say that someone is a unitarian is to use a broader description, still referring to him denying the Trinitarian nature of God in favor of one God without the Trinitarian quality that the Creeds take some pains to identify.

Are there other creeds?

 

[donadams]

God is one substance, so he is everywhere and present without division. You chop him up like a candy bar and have one substance in 3 pieces.
The Ecumenical creeds would condemn you for heresy for this.

There is a difference between nature and person
One God one divine nature and three persons

 

[donadams]

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Only God is eternal!