Jesus died for the sins of the world

[Albion]

We have two different faiths wouldn't you say?

Well, yes. I'm a Christian.

 

[1689Dave]

Well, yes. I'm a Christian.

What makes you think so?

 

[Albion]

What makes you think so?

Are you asking because you are thinking of becoming a Christian yourself?

 

[1689Dave]

Are you asking because you are thinking of becoming a Christian yourself?

Tell me how.

 

[Albion]

Tell me how.

Not unless you are serious about wanting to become a Christian.

 

[1689Dave]

Not unless you are serious about wanting to become a Christian.

1689Dave: my salvation testimony

God made my salvation known to me when I was 20. The Lord converted me over a period of 3 days. I began telling people that I didn't know what was going on but I think Christ is real and he is dealing with me. The joy of the Holy Spirit and God's love had become real and excited me. And I...

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How does this compare to your experience?

 

[Albion]

1689Dave: my salvation testimony

God made my salvation known to me when I was 20. The Lord converted me over a period of 3 days. I began telling people that I didn't know what was going on but I think Christ is real and he is dealing with me. The joy of the Holy Spirit and God's love had become real and excited me. And I...

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How does this compare to your experience?

I think mine was more conventional. It was not a dream sequence or something that flattered me, something that made me have a good self-image, or that was meaningful because it excited me.

My view is rather more along Scriptural lines in holding that God is the important figure in the salvation of humans.

So, that being said, when was it that you lost your "high" and become a critic of Christianity instead?

 

[1689Dave]

I think mine was more conventional. It was not a dream sequence or something that flattered me, something that made me have a good self-image, or that was meaningful because it excited me.

My view is rather more along Scriptural lines in holding that God is the important figure in the salvation of humans.

So, that being said, when was it that you lost your "high" and become a critic of Christianity instead?

Mine was a supernatural experience that caused me to believe and repent. Living the Sermon on the Mount became the desire of my heart and cost me a lot in the way of trials, potentially leading to 5 years in prison. And many strong trials along the way. It verifies your faith making it rock solid.

 

[Lamb]

Mine was a supernatural experience that caused me to believe and repent. Living the Sermon on the Mount became the desire of my heart and cost me a lot in the way of trials, potentially leading to 5 years in prison. And many strong trials along the way. It verifies your faith making it rock solid.

Didn't God's word play a role? Or was it apart from His word?

 

[1689Dave]

Didn't God's word play a role? Or was it apart from His word?

I heard a version of the gospel years before. And knew it was Jesus in my heart. A person must be born-again (saved) before they can discern the true Christ and believe in true faith.

 

[Lamb]

I heard a version of the gospel years before. And knew it was Jesus in my heart. A person must be born-again (saved) before they can discern the true Christ and believe in true faith.

So your conversion was that seed coming to fruition?

 

[1689Dave]

So your conversion was that seed coming to fruition?

People think the gospel alone saves them. But it works this way. The New Birth saves a person eternally, even in the womb. Or even while they might be a Muslim or JW or an atheist. But we preach the gospel to them and to the lost to save the born-again soul from among them, leading to a Holy Christian lifestyle.
Unless first born-again, the gospel is foolishness. The tares hear it at a carnal-minded level and always turn it into law and fleshly works attempts at salvation.

 

[Lamb]

People think the gospel alone saves them. But it works this way. The New Birth saves a person eternally, even in the womb. Or even while they might be a Muslim or JW or an atheist. But we preach the gospel to them and to the lost to save the born-again soul from among them, leading to a Holy Christian lifestyle.
Unless first born-again, the gospel is foolishness. The tares hear it at a carnal-minded level and always turn it into law and fleshly works attempts at salvation.

It's actually God's word (the Gospel that brings about the change from the Old Adam into the new). That's because we receive faith from God when hearing (or receiving by reading) God's word and God's word is alive and active. It's what the Holy Spirit uses to convert us.

 

[1689Dave]

It's actually God's word (the Gospel that brings about the change from the Old Adam into the new). That's because we receive faith from God when hearing (or receiving by reading) God's word and God's word is alive and active. It's what the Holy Spirit uses to convert us.

The problem? “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV 1900)

Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit present in the new birth. Only the saved can believe.

 

[Albion]

Okay, what I'm getting from this is that you had some sort of mental conversion, but that's about it. You disavow all church organizations and don't belong to any. But you say you are a Baptist of some sort and you admire the most radical of the Reformers while calling all of the Reformers murderers. How is that the case? Have you ever been baptized? Belonged to a church? Taken the Lord's Supper, etc.? Or is everything a matter of you forming your own doctrines and so on and then attempting to persuade other people, perhaps while thinking of yourself as some variety of Missionary or minister?

 

[1689Dave]

Okay, what I'm getting from this is that you had some sort of mental conversion, but that's about it. You disavow all church organizations and don't belong to any. But you say you are a Baptist of some sort. How is that the case. Have you ever been baptized? Belonged to a church? Taken the Lord's Supper, etc.? Or is everything a matter of you forming your own doctrines and so on?

I have a saved lifestyle. Got any evidence you are saved?

 

[Albion]

I have a saved lifestyle. Got any evidence you are saved?

I'm interested in having you answer the previous post from me in order that I can figure out what your thinking about Christianity is, and from that make any sense of the things you've been posting.

 

[1689Dave]

I'm interested in having you answer the previous post from me in order that I can figure out what your thinking about Christianity is, and from that make any sense of the things you've been posting.

Do you live the Sermon on the Mount? John says unless you do, you are not saved.

 

[Albion]

Do you live the Sermon on the Mount? John says unless you do, you are not saved.

Does this mean that you cannot identify yourself as a Christian in any meaningful way? This is to say that by ducking the simple questions I asked you about a person who is a Christian for real and practices the Christian faith, you come across as a Christian in your mind only. It also means, if true, that you believe Jesus only in the sense that you pick and choose between the many principles and direct commands given to his followers, deciding to follow some and discard others.

 

[Josiah]

Because Christ did not give anyone a 'blank check" to continue committing sins AFTER the sins that were forgiven by God with the sacrifice of the Cross were set aside.

@1689Dave

We reject your repudiation of the role of faith; it's heresy. As you have been told over and over and over and over, by several here.

It is FALSE that personal justification is the result of the Cross ALONE, void of faith. We reject your "correction" of God in John 3:16. God did not write, "For God so loved just a few people (probably not you) so that He gave His only-begotten son just to them (odds are, not you) so that they will not perish but have everlasting life whether they believe in what He did FOR THEM or spit in His face, repudiate all He did and denounce Him or not cuz faith is irrelevant and just a joke."

Your apologetic (a question and not substantiation) is "If Jesus died for all why aren't all saved?" is founded on this heresy that faith is irrelevant. You have been corrected. Many Scriptures have been given that state that faith is essential to personal justification.

If Christ paid for all sin, why do so many perish?

Questions are not substantiation. Questions are not apologetics. When you have nothing to support your horrible views, you just ask questions.

Again, we reject your repudiation of the role of faith. It is FALSE that personal justification is the result of the Cross ALONE, void of faith. We reject your "correction" of God in John 3:16. God did not write, "For God so loved just a few people (probably not you) so that He gave His only-begotten son just to them (odds are, not you) so that they will not perish but have everlasting life whether they believe in what He did FOR THEM or spit in His face, repudiate all He did and denounce Him or not cuz faith is irrelevant and just a joke."

Your apologetic (a question and not substantiation) is "If Jesus died for all why aren't all saved?" is founded on this heresy that faith is irrelevant. You have been corrected. Many Scriptures have been given that state that faith is essential to personal justification.

If you chose to believe

We reject your heresy of Pelagianism. Faith is NOT something the dead, atheistic unbeliever creates and give to self; as we have have explained to you - over and over and over and over, for weeks now, faith is 100% the work and gift of God, NO ONE EVER chooses faith. But that reality does not mean that ergo it is irrelevant, moot, a joke; it does not mean that faith has no role in personal justification. It just means your Pelagianism is wrong (it's another heresy you use in your apologetics), it is not "a choice" it's a divine gift.




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