Were the Reformers Saved?

[1689Dave]

I question this because of the murderous lifestyles they lived. The Catholics too. The Catholics placed the State under the Church and used it to do their killing. The Protestants placed the Church under the State and used it to do their killing.

Any thoughts?

 

[Lamb]

Salvation is by grace through faith. Did anyone say that Jesus was not their Savior?

 

[1689Dave]

Salvation is by grace through faith. Did anyone say that Jesus was not their Savior?

But they were all murderers we recognize by their fruits.

 

[Josiah]

But they were all murderers we recognize by their fruits.

List the names of those whom Martin Luther murdered.

Unless you do, I recommend Staff close and trash this thread for slander and flaming.



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[1689Dave]

List the names of those whom Martin Luther murdered.

Unless you do, I recommend Staff close and trash this thread for slander and flaming.



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Luther didn't kill anyone. He recommended it.
William McGrath Anabaptist: not catholic or protestant. Lots more if needed

"It was I, Martin Luther, who slew all the
peasants in the insurrection, for I commanded
them to be slaughtered. All their blood is upon
my shoulders. But I cast it on our Lord God
who commanded me to speak in this way."

 

[Lamb]

Ah, yes, so sinful thoughts instantly make anyone void from receiving salvation?

 

[1689Dave]

Ah, yes, so sinful thoughts instantly make anyone void from receiving salvation?

John said if anyone does not have the Sermon on the Mount, they are not saved. Do you honestly think these murderers of God's people followed it?

 

[Lamb]

John said if anyone does not have the Sermon on the Mount, they are not saved. Do you honestly think these murderers of God's people followed it?

I don't know why you persist in calling them murderers if they didn't actually kill someone.

 

[1689Dave]

Ah, yes, so sinful thoughts instantly make anyone void from receiving salvation?

Jesus said you will know them by their fruits. How can these manifest the fruits of the saved as murderers?

 

[1689Dave]

I don't know why you persist in calling them murderers if they didn't actually kill someone.

All of the dead anabaptists and peasants came from their commands.

 

[Lamb]

Jesus said you will know them by their fruits. How can these manifest the fruits of the saved as murderers?

Ah, so some of your flaming here on this site shows YOUR fruit. Shall we know you by that? Do you see where I'm coming from? Even your sins can be forgiven by God

 

[1689Dave]

Ah, so some of your flaming here on this site shows YOUR fruit. Shall we know you by that? Do you see where I'm coming from? Even your sins can be forgiven by God

Since when is history truthfully spoken, flaming?

 

[Josiah]

Luther didn't kill anyone.

Then you flamed Luther in post #3. You admitted you charged him with a falsehood. A known, public, esteemed figure. That's the most extreme example of flaming I know of.

Quoting someone else who lies and flames doesn't help your case.


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How can these manifest the fruits of the saved as murderers?

You already admitted your lie, your flame.



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[1689Dave]

Then you flamed Luther in post #3. You admitted you charged him with a falsehood. A known, public, esteemed figure. That's the most extreme example of flaming I know of.

Quoting someone else who lies and flames doesn't help your case.


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You already admitted your lie, your flame.



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Try pasting that quote into a search engine. I think it is well known. I have lots more if you are interested.

 

[1689Dave]

I don't know why you persist in calling them murderers if they didn't actually kill someone.

They ordered it done. Just like Capone or any other gangster. I have more if interested.

 

[Josiah]

Try pasting that quote into a search engine. I think it is well known. I have lots more if you are interested.

I don't agree that google is the source of all truth. But go ahead, if you can find a site that states the names of all those Martin Luther murdered, then state it.

Otherwise, you lied in post # 3. It is flaming.



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[1689Dave]

I don't agree that google is the source of all truth. But go ahead, if you can find a site that states the names of all those Martin Luther murdered, then state it.

Otherwise, you lied in post # 3. It is flaming.



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My quote comes from a Mennonite source now selling for $700 + on Amazon. They were the victims of the Reformers. Murdered by the thousands. Read Martyr's Mirror. Or Fox's book of Martyrs.

 

[Josiah]

My quote comes from a Mennonite source

Then quote it listing the names of those who were murdered by Martin Luther.

Or admit that your post # 3 is, well, a falsehood, a false accusation, a flame. And when someone knowingly states a falsehood, what should they do?


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[1689Dave]

Then quote it listing the names of those who were murdered by Martin Luther.

Or admit that your post # 3 is, well, a falsehood, a false accusation, a flame. And when someone knowingly states a falsehood, what should they do?


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I did not say Luther murdered anyone. He ordered it.

 

[Josiah]

But they were all murderers

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