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What about when Jesus and John called the Pharisees snakes?
The Pharisees didn't see the love of God in Jesus. The blame for no salvation was on them. They didn't see Jesus' love and Jesus rebuked them. It didn't conflict with verses saying to love and pray for enemies.
 

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The Pharisees didn't see the love of God in Jesus. The blame for no salvation was on them. They didn't see Jesus' love and Jesus rebuked them. It didn't conflict with verses saying to love and pray for enemies.
It says God hardened their hearts so they could not believe.
 

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It says God hardened their hearts so they could not believe.
Well, it's because they persisted on not seeing God's love, so he gave up on them. It's like when the fig tree got cut down. Apparently, they were so rotten, they had no salvation, despite all the talk they did.
 

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Well, it's because they persisted on not seeing God's love, so he gave up on them. It's like when the fig tree got cut down. Apparently, they were so rotten, they had no salvation, despite all the talk they did.
No, he damned them.
 

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Well, yeah, because, actually, they chose to reject salvation.
No, they cold not believe because Christ did not die for them.
 

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No, they cold not believe because Christ did not die for them.
I don't believe in predestination stuff, in the sense of Calvinists. There is no justice in it.
 

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I don't believe in predestination stuff, in the sense of Calvinists. There is no justice in it.
Do people hate God if Calvin was right about sin and grace?
 

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So you would hate God if Calvin is right?
Calvin describes God as something he is not, so I would be justified in losing respect for God if Calvin was right. However, that wouldn't happen.
 

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Calvin describes God as something he is not, so I would be justified in losing respect for God if Calvin was right. However, that wouldn't happen.
Sooooo You hate the God Calvin describes? Should He exist?
 

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You got me !!!!
Wouldn't it be better to say if Calvin was right about God, some of us are in big trouble hating him as we do?
 

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Wouldn't it be better to say if Calvin was right about God, some of us are in big trouble hating him as we do?
It probably would be worse to bear false witness against any of the posters here, calling them haters, and doing it simply because they aren't fans of a person like John Calvin. (n)
 

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Well, now, this thread went downhill fast.

If there are any more accusations of members here hating, this thread will be closed.
 

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Notice he is telling us believers that Christ died for OUR sins.

He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2



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Some thoughts on "the Kingdom of God"

The vast majority of references (in the Gospels) to this Kingdom are to a future reality, with a smaller number of references to Christ Himself, and the power through which He works (including His Words).

Indeed each time a person says the prayer instructed to us "thy Kingdom come" one acknowledges that future scenario, not a present state of affairs.

At His temptation, it is Satan that claims authority over the Governments of the earth, and offers them to Christ in return for worship and obedience. Christ's response is to direct the adversary to obey God only and worship Him, He does not correct Satan on the authority of which the governments fall.

The original and first governments (or man-made Kingdom) of men among the ancient Hebrews was a rejection of God. Before Saul is made King, God tells Samuel that it is Him they rejected in wanting a King for themselves. (1 Samuel 8:7). What follows are several warnings of what this King will do to them, none of which are good.

Christ is put to death by the government of the day, in part for claiming to be a King. When asked by a representative of this government (Pilate) He acknowledges He is a King, but that His Kingdom "is not of this world".

Post Resurrection, there is nothing to indicate, in the Acts or other Historical records to date, that the "Kingdom of God" is here. The world continues to be an evil place, that, while there is some justice, there is an atrocious amount of corruption and evil in the various governments that have ruled men since. The History of men's "Kingdoms" and governments is a history of human evil and slaughter, at times tempered by uprisings and mutual agreements for the betterment of mankind and for human rights, but much more vastly a tale of inhumanity and evil.

Saul/Paul (his name, just coincidentally, the same as the first King Israel knew) preaches that God sets up governments to rule for God. Taking everything into account from the first century until now, God's "governments" are nominal at best, sometimes dispensing judgement and mercy, much more often furthering evil and oppressing peoples.
 

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He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2



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Why aren't all saved in your Americanised understanding? If He paid for everyone's sins? How about the Pharisees whom God blinded so they could not believe?
 
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