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It looks like the Red Wave turned out to be a mild ripple. What are the implications for Republicans going forward after this historically bad showing in the mid-terms? With the President unpopular and the economy the number one issue the party that is not in the White House should have dominated the mid-term elections.

Was this a referendum on Trump as much as it was Biden?

Trump is supposed to announce he is running for President again next week? Will you(who are Republicans) support him or are you looking for someone else?
 

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I have heard that it was Democrat women voters that turned out to be the big surprise. They want the right to kill their unborn babies and commercials where I live gave them cause to be concern that they could lose that right.
 

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Trump is supposed to announce he is running for President again next week? Will you(who are Republicans) support him or are you looking for someone else?
If he is the nominee I will support him, but I would not vote for him in the primaries. I seriously doubt he could win the election, so I feel that his nomination would be an opportunity lost.
 

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It looks like the Red Wave turned out to be a mild ripple. What are the implications for Republicans going forward after this historically bad showing in the mid-terms? With the President unpopular and the economy the number one issue the party that is not in the White House should have dominated the mid-term elections.

Was this a referendum on Trump as much as it was Biden?

Trump is supposed to announce he is running for President again next week? Will you(who are Republicans) support him or are you looking for someone else?


MY TAKE (and I ain't saying that's saying much)


1. It's hard to outst an incumbent and much of "the red wave" required that.

2. Trump was as much an issue as Biden. For INDEPENDENTS (nearly one-third of voters), I think there has been a major shift in their opinion of Trump since the 2020 election where a minority (but significant one) voted for him. January 6 and his behavior these last two years have turned off a lot of independents. And I know a lot of them (perhaps correctly) think Trump IS the Republican Party and the Republican Party loves him. His strong endorsement and campaigning for Oz may well have cost Oz that election (and maybe the Senate), Republicans largely under-performed Trump simply because the opinion of Trump has declined.

3. I don't think the Republicans offered the people much. They TALKED of crime while offering little of what they would do about that, much about inflation without clearly saying what they'd do about it. In 1994, there was a biggest "Red Wave" of recent US history, but the Republicans had their "Ten Point Plan" - ten simple, direct things they would DO (some of them they DID on their very first day). The House district here was one of the ones Republicans hoped to "flip" and MASSIVE amounts of money was spent here on both sides. The Republican was a good man but all he said was "Democrats bad." All he said was "my opponent votes with Nancy Polosi 100% of time." Meanwhile, the Democrat kept running ads of what he had DONE for our district. "The other is bad" is just not a powerful platform.



As one who is strongly Republican, I think we need to see this as a big "hit" on us. Even when the Democrat President is fairly popular, we typically gain a lot of seats in both houses, we SHOULD have gained 60 seats in the house and 6 in the Senate - the "Red Wave" - because not only is taking control typically what happens in mid-terms BUT because we have a very unpopular Democrat in the White House. We did badly. I think we need to do two things:

1. Put Trump out to pasture. Look to a fresh face. There are several. I current like a Ron DeSantis - Tim Scott ticket.

2. Propose stuff! Come up with a short list (3-5) things Republicans will DO if elected. Not just "Democrats bad."




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I think there needs to be a lot of reflection. A lot of voters will vote their party ticket no matter what so there are certainly a lot of voters out there who will never change the way they vote. Trump allegedly said he could shoot a man in the middle of New York and get away with it - I suspect a lot of politicians could do much the same and still retain a hefty share of the vote.

For comparison, look at Boris Johnson forced out of office largely for breaking his own rules on COVID and then look at Fuhrer Newsom and Fuhrer Wolf who flagrantly broke their own rules and paid precisely no political price for doing so. What happened in CA and PA was even more flagrant than in the UK because the British rules were laid down by Parliament while the US versions were laid down by executive order.

It is concerning that runaway inflation, crime, border control etc haven't resulted in much pushback against the party in power - from what I'm seeing the Democrats have faced lower losses than would be expected as the norm during midterms, meaning the Republicans really have blown a chance. It's entirely possible this was due to concerns about abortion but equally possible it was due to a lack of an alternative plan. I was hugely disappointed when the Republicans swept into power in 2016 and since they had been talking about "replace and repeal Obamacare" pretty much since there was Obamacare I was interested to see what they had in mind as a replacement. Apparently they hadn't given any though to a replacement, they had little more than "Obamacare bad". It's all very well pointing out inflation under Biden's watch but without a clear plan to tackle it there can be only so much expectation of people flocking to your platform.

Ultimately if the best you've got is "we're not the ruling party" you can hardly expect to work miracles even when the ruling party barely seems to know which way is up.
 

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It looks like the Red Wave turned out to be a mild ripple. What are the implications for Republicans going forward after this historically bad showing in the mid-terms? With the President unpopular and the economy the number one issue the party that is not in the White House should have dominated the mid-term elections.

Was this a referendum on Trump as much as it was Biden?

Trump is supposed to announce he is running for President again next week? Will you(who are Republicans) support him or are you looking for someone else?
It could be that America remains under God's wrath.
 

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I was dubious about that "red wave" stuff when it took off. The polls weren't showing anything like that, even though some of the races in which the Republican had been trailing had narrowed, according to the polls. But yes, it's right to say that the Republican showing this year was unlike other off-year elections in which the out-of-power party usually gained significantly.

IF the House of Representatives goes Republican when everything is settled, that will be a big gain, regardless of any red wave talk. So much can change for the better without Pelosi as Speaker if that happens, even without a Republican Senate or President. So, we'll see.

But against that, and unnoticed by most voters, the Democrats are very close to establishing a one-party form of government for good. Numerous changes in the voting systems of the various states, all done in the name of "voting rights," will make the Democratic candidates invincible for the foreseeable future, and the party will now feel free to move faster on that agenda without a national election scheduled only months in the future.
 

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But against that, and unnoticed by most voters, the Democrats are very close to establishing a one-party form of government for good. Numerous changes in the voting systems of the various states, all done in the name of "voting rights," will make the Democratic candidates invincible for the foreseeable future, and the party will now feel free to move faster on that agenda without a national election scheduled only months in the future.

I find it worrying how the Democrats are constantly painting the Republicans as being the party set to destroy democracy as we know it (or however they are wording it today) while pushing ever further towards entrenching themselves as the party that need never relinquish power.

Whether it be granting statehood to Puerto Rico (thereby all but guaranteeing two more Democrat Senators), or claiming voter ID laws are racist (how it can be perfectly OK to need ID to buy a beer but racist to require ID to vote remains less than clear), or getting up to the exact same district gerrymandering they howl about when Republicans do it, it's easy to see why the Democrats are probably more of a threat to democracy than the Republicans.
 

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I find it worrying how the Democrats are constantly painting the Republicans as being the party set to destroy democracy as we know it (or however they are wording it today) while pushing ever further towards entrenching themselves as the party that need never relinquish power.

Democrats totally get away with this because to MANY, the Republican Party has become Donald Trump and Donald Trump has become the Republican Party. They are one and the same, joined at the hip. It's owned by Trump. And frankly, they may have a point.

And to a LOT of people, Trump's claims about the 2020 elections, his behavior on January 6, and more DOES suggest to them that Donald Trump (and his nearly cult fallowing) ARE a threat to Democracy. I don't agree with them, but I think it's a EASY point for them to make.... and more and more are agreeing with them on that.



Democrats made Trump an issue in the 2022 election, effective because for many Trump IS the Republican Party, completing owning and controlling it. Republicans tried to make Biden an issue, ineffective because no one sees Biden as the Democratic Party - just the Democrat currently in the White House.



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I live in a congressional district with an incumbent VERY liberal Democrat but a district the Republican Party targeted to "flip" (one of the Red Wave districts). A district where Independents are the most numberous, followed almost evenly by Democrats and Republicans. TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS were spent by the Democrat Party in this district, Biden himself campaigned here. The Democrat ran a commercial (endlessly, all the time) that just showed footage of the January 6 raid on the capitol, focusing in on all the Trump signs and flags... ending with "Vote for Democracy." Not vote for their candidate; in fact, not a word about either candidate, but "vote for democracy." Now, the Republican candidate never mentioned Trump and denounced that January 6 thing, but the Democratic Party ran that ad like TEN TIMES AN HOUR, on every channel. It worked. I think this explains a lot about where we are in US politics.




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I find it worrying how the Democrats are constantly painting the Republicans as being the party set to destroy democracy as we know it (or however they are wording it today) while pushing ever further towards entrenching themselves as the party that need never relinquish power.
As you know, whatever the Democrats are up to, they will accuse the Republicans of being the ones doing it.
 

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Gas prices are about to explode. Come January the price of gas should be back up to about 5 dollars a gallon. Biden won't be able to release anymore from the strategic stockpile anymore for the remainder of his administration.
That will hurt badly in the next election.
There's no telling how bad things will be the next two years.
 

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Well, looks like Dems retain control of the Senate. I want to hear nothing from my Democrat friends for the next 2 years about how they're paying more for gas, food, anything in life, because they voted to keep things in the country in shambles.
 

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*Permission to giggle - laugh out loud, even - at the Canadian weighing in on American politics*

Inflation needs to be seen in a global context because there are forces outside of Biden's power that contribute, such as the war in Ukraine and current state of affairs in Russia, temporary closing of certain oil refineries, Canadian politics and inflation decisions such as Bank of Canada interest rates, etc. There are even contributing factors from global warming. So while Biden has limited control, consider the bigger picture. All economies seem to be in crisis right now, and the US would be in crisis too, even if the Republicans were in power.

That said, what now for Republicans? Up here in Canada, I heard there is a new party starting in the US. It was formed by moderately-minded government officials who left their parties due to the polarization of the parties, mostly ex-Republicans who wouldn't buy into Trump's lies and arrogance. Let the GOP keep Trump and make their extreme, far right-wing cult, and set up a mostly conservative party that is more representative of the Republican party of elections gone by. If I was American had only had far right or far left to vote, I'd give them both up and vote moderate as long as they based their decisions on the science rather than on appeasing the public.
 

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*Permission to giggle - laugh out loud, even - at the Canadian weighing in on American politics*

Inflation needs to be seen in a global context because there are forces outside of Biden's power that contribute, such as the war in Ukraine and current state of affairs in Russia, temporary closing of certain oil refineries, Canadian politics and inflation decisions such as Bank of Canada interest rates, etc. There are even contributing factors from global warming. So while Biden has limited control, consider the bigger picture. All economies seem to be in crisis right now, and the US would be in crisis too, even if the Republicans were in power.

Not likely. While all those other factors matter in various ways, the truth is that inflation took off dramatically almost immediately after Biden's crew assumed power, and it was caused largely by deliberate policies ordered into existence by an unprecedented use of executive orders and legislation coming from the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives and Senate. HUGE giveaways of money that we do not have added Trillions (!) to the debt and promoted the biggest inflationary surge in 40 years. The shutting down of much of our energy production wasn't the doing of war in Europe but was a deliberate move on the part of the Biden administration.

That said, what now for Republicans?
Good question. One observation was that they've been concentrating on earning votes while the Democrats have been winning elections by collecting them. The Republicans had better learn how to send their own boosters into the nursing homes, prisons, and college dorms to collect or buy the signatures that are required on the absentee ballots that were mailed to everyone by Democratic Secretaries of State whether there was a request for one or not.

Here in Canada, I heard there is a new party starting in the US. It was formed by moderately-minded government officials who left their parties due to the polarization of the parties, mostly ex-Republicans who wouldn't buy into Trump's lies and arrogance.

They've tried that several times already in the past few years and it got nowhere. And then too, there are several former Democrats trying to put together a new party or two of their own; None of them will get anywhere either.

The system in the USA makes creating and sustaining any party other than the Dems and GOP almost impossible. Seriously. It's enough to make one wish for the Parliamentary system!

If I was American had only had far right or far left to vote, I'd give them both up and vote moderate as long as they based their decisions on the science rather than on appeasing the public.
There would be hardly anyone you could cast your vote for, given that perspective.
 
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the truth is that inflation took off dramatically almost immediately after Biden's crew assumed power,
Yes, around the same time that the country started opening up again after covid lockdowns ended, which is also around the same time inflation everywhere started skyrocketing because they all wanted to make up for lost time. Some of the cause is, in addition to more global concerns, gouging.
HUGE giveaways of money that we do not have added Trillions (!) to the debt and promoted the biggest inflationary surge in 40 years.
We see this a little differently. I know one of those giveaways was to forgive some student debt. Personally, I see this as a way to stimulate the economy, so these new grads will have a better chance at a start in their career. If someone is indebted up to their eyes, they will have less spending power and less money then goes back into the economy, but by providing a little relief, it gives them more opportunity, more spending power, and most of all, more hope that one day they can be debt-free.
Good question
Yes it is. See OP.
whether there was a request for one or not.
All Americans over age 18, I believe, are entitled to vote and have access to the same ballots as anyone else, which has options for both democrats and republicans. They shouldn't have to ask for a ballot just because they live in a care facility or college dorm, so imo, the democrats were right to ensure that everyone who was entitled to vote, received a ballot.
The system in the USA makes creating and sustaining any party other than the Dems and GOP almost impossible. Seriously. It's enough to make one wish for the Parliamentary system!
I'm not sure Parliamentary systems are much better. Our liberals and conservatives are becoming more and more polarized, but not to the same extent as the democrats and republicans. We also have the NDP which, imo, base more of their policies on research. Research has shown time and time again that funded social programs are successful in maintaining a livable, balanced economy. And no, I am not a "socialist" but I do believe in moderation and balance. While we would spend billions on foreign aid rather than on our own homeless, working poor population and healthcare systems with the liberals, our taxes would go up to support the global good and we, the middle class suffer. The conservatives are all about punishing the criminals and giving money and tax break to the rich at the expense of the middle and lower classes. The NDP might raise taxes, but they are more invested in increasing employment and training opportunities to get people to work, they support the middle and lower classes, and create programs based on science for the justice system, healthcare, and other socially funded programs like child protection. My taxes are going to go up no matter what, so I would rather the government spend on programs that create and sustain a balanced society, kind of like the one I mentioned earlier where Biden wants to forgive a certain amount of student debt. One thing I do appreciate about our government though, is that parties can create a coalition to put a minority government in place. Typically this kind of relationship is more accountable and can't go off making a bunch of unilateral, unsupported decisions like both Trump and Biden.
 

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*Permission to giggle - laugh out loud, even - at the Canadian weighing in on American politics*

Inflation needs to be seen in a global context because there are forces outside of Biden's power that contribute, such as the war in Ukraine and current state of affairs in Russia, temporary closing of certain oil refineries, Canadian politics and inflation decisions such as Bank of Canada interest rates, etc. There are even contributing factors from global warming. So while Biden has limited control, consider the bigger picture. All economies seem to be in crisis right now, and the US would be in crisis too, even if the Republicans were in power.

That said, what now for Republicans? Up here in Canada, I heard there is a new party starting in the US. It was formed by moderately-minded government officials who left their parties due to the polarization of the parties, mostly ex-Republicans who wouldn't buy into Trump's lies and arrogance. Let the GOP keep Trump and make their extreme, far right-wing cult, and set up a mostly conservative party that is more representative of the Republican party of elections gone by. If I was American had only had far right or far left to vote, I'd give them both up and vote moderate as long as they based their decisions on the science rather than on appeasing the public.

Inflation was already high in a lot of those other countries though! Since Biden's administration though, we have surpassed many of those and are now higher. It's not just covid affecting the economy, it's the actual Biden administration decisions that have made us worse than what we could have been.
 

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For reference, here is a link that shows inflation rates:


IF it were just Covid affecting the economy then all the countries of the world would have had these great increases...and yet, even though there are a lot, some aren't really as high as us. We're one of the highest because of the decisions of this administration.
 

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Yes, around the same time that the country started opening up again after covid lockdowns ended, which is also around the same time inflation everywhere started skyrocketing because they all wanted to make up for lost time. Some of the cause is, in addition to more global concerns, gouging.
No, the country did NOT start opening up again. The electoral campaign is over; it's time to talk seriously about the ditch we've been driven into over a very short period of time.

We see this a little differently. I know one of those giveaways was to forgive some student debt.
Well, that item may be the least of it, in part because it hasn't happened yet and may not happen.

It was noted, in fact, that when the courts ruled that the forgiveness of valid student loans by way of an executive order to be unconstitutional...Biden wasn't particularly interested. And this is a guy who'll call half of the citizens of our country "fascists" with much less provocation.

The promise of free money for rich kids to go to college on the taxpayers' dime probably did succeed in winning the Democrats some additional votes last Tuesday, so the purpose of the loan forgiveness promise most likely did achieve its objective and isn't needed anymore.

Personally, I see this as a way to stimulate the economy
That was their claim, but it didn't work. We have been in a recession most of the year and worse is coming, according to economists. Generally speaking, people don't consider recession to be the mark of an economy that's been "stimulated."

All Americans over age 18, I believe, are entitled to vote and have access to the same ballots as anyone else, which has options for both democrats and republicans. They shouldn't have to ask for a ballot just because they live in a care facility or college dorm, so imo, the democrats were right to ensure that everyone who was entitled to vote, received a ballot.
All Americans who are unable to vote on election day may be entitled to some extra help, I agree; but you do not seem very familiar with what is going on here. It's called "ballot harvesting."

First, the Democratic Secretary of State in the states where this goes on sends out absentee ballot applications to everyone on the voter rolls, regardless of whether they are unable to go to the polling station on Election Day or not. That includes thousands of people who are now dead, changed addresses, moved out of state, or simply cannot be accounted for. This procedure is justified by the vague campaign claims of the Democrats who argue that they are against "vote suppression" as though limiting voting to legal voters according to law is some kind of suppression.

What this means is that thousands of ballots get sent to people who returned the applications using whatever name is on envelope. Also, there are people who receive their ballot application, fill it out and return it, but then don't care to actually vote, for one reason or another. They can easily let their son or friend use it, and vote twice. For those people, doing this may seem just like giving away the store coupon that you don't have time to cash in.

Then there's the matter of nursing homes and prisons, etc. Vote "harvesters" go to such places, say they're there to help and then wind up taking big numbers of those people's ballots back to the precinct "for them."

There is no limit on the number, just like the now-famous "drop boxes" that people have been seen pushing stacks of ballots into, unsupervised. All of this results in literally thousands of votes being cast by unknown people. It's not uncommon anymore for a legal voter to show up at the polling station intending to cast his ballot in person, only to be told that he's already voted! Can you guess why that is?

You may not care about this and other such ballot stuffing ruses, but there are people who do. Unfortunately for the country, it doesn't seem as though anything is going to be done about it. Certainly not after the party that benefitted from it in two successive elections held onto pow3r in at least one house of Congress.
 
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Canada is on the verge of recession, and although they claim only 8% inflation rate, the cost of most food, like butter, has nearly doubled. And it's been in the past year or maybe a year and a half. My suggestion, no matter what, is to look at all the angles, all the contributing factors, without just simply finding one person to blame all America's ills on. There's way more to it than meets the eye.
 

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Canada is on the verge of recession, and although they claim only 8% inflation rate, the cost of most food, like butter, has nearly doubled. And it's been in the past year or maybe a year and a half. My suggestion, no matter what, is to look at all the angles, all the contributing factors, without just simply finding one person to blame all America's ills on. There's way more to it than meets the eye.
That last part is easy to say and of course there could be other factors, some beyond our control.

However, the Biden administration has been responsible for almost all the downturn we've experienced, almost totally by itself. We've referred here to only a few of the disastrous decisions that have been imposed on the USA in less than four years by the current administration.
 
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