What is your opinion on the 1st resurrection and the thousand year reign of Christ?

[Joshua1Eight]

As spoken of in Revelation?

What’s the difference between the 1st resurrection and the 2nd resurrection?

 

[1689Dave]

As spoken of in Revelation?

What’s the difference between the 1st resurrection and the 2nd resurrection?

The 1000 years are not to be understood literally, just as the rest of Revelation, which is mostly symbols. The 1000-year Millennium is a Pharisee doctrine refuted by Jesus in the gospels and condemned as heresy in the early creeds. It is not found in the Bible. But many are unable to see the present Kingdom because of its spiritual makeup. Jesus said that only the born-again can see it. They reject the gospel of the kingdom taught by Jesus. Instead, they assume the 1000 years of Revelation 20 speak of the Pharisee doctrine.

The first resurrection is the new birth where God raises our dead human spirit to life in Christ. From whence faith comes.

 

[Lees]

As spoken of in Revelation?

What’s the difference between the 1st resurrection and the 2nd resurrection?

Why wouldn't you give the verses in (Revelation) that speak of the '1st resurrection and the 2nd resurrection' that you're asking about?

Why do you limit the discussion to the book of (Revelation)?

Lees

 

[Fritz Kobus]

I don't believe the discussion is limited to the book of Revelation. The focus of the question is the description in the book of Revelation, but certainly we ought to be able to use other parts of the Bible in discussing the verses in Revelation.

 

[SetFree]

As spoken of in Revelation?

What’s the difference between the 1st resurrection and the 2nd resurrection?

To truly understand the answer to that, it requires a lot of Bible study, because the answer is not only in the Revelation 20 chapter.

1. the first step in understanding is with realizing what will happen on the day of Christ's future return. The John 5:28-29 is an example Lord Jesus Himself gave us. He said ALL... in the graves at His voice will come forth, some to the "resurrection of life" and others to the "resurrection of damnation". That is specifically about the dead being raised on that day of His coming per Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 with the sounding of the "trump of God".

2. In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul's explanation of the resurrection and with what body type it comes, Paul taught the dead are raised on the "last trump", which is a direct link to the 1 Thessalonians 4:16 verse about the dead being raised on the day of Christ's future return.

3. About those still alive on earth on that day, Paul taught these in 1 Corinthians 15 on the "last trump" will be "changed" at the "twinkling of an eye". By that Paul was teaching the change to a "spiritual body", which is the type of future body he taught was the resurrection. This means ALL... will be in the "spiritual body" type on the last trump when Jesus returns on the last day of this present world. Some believe there will still be people in the flesh, but God's Word, particularly The New Testament Epistles teach that all... will be in the "spiritual body" type, and NO LONGER IN A FLESH BODY.

4. Just like how it's easy for folks to not want to get rid of some old thing they think still works for them, they are reluctant to part with it. Same with their false assumption of getting a 'new' flesh body when Jesus returns. On that day of Christ's future return, this time of man being in a flesh body will be over. Because some have difficulty with this Biblical Truth, they purposefully refrain from Paul's teaching about the resurrection "spiritual body" and "last trump" "change" in the 1 Corinthians 15 chapter. And thus they do not understand about the "dead" in Revelation 20.

5. The "first resurrection" represents Christ's very elect that will serve Him at His table and reign with Him for the future "thousand years" period. They will not be subject to the "second death", which is the casting of one's soul-spirit in the "lake of fire" after the "thousand years" is over.

6. The "dead" of Revelation 20:5 that live not again until the thousand years are over, is about the 'SPIRITUALLY' dead, whose souls are still mortal, liable to perish (i.e., still subject to the "second death"). Remember John 5:28-29 that Jesus said on the day of His return, ALL the dead shall come forth, being raised on that day. These "dead" represent the "resurrection of damnation" that are raised on the day of Christ's coming. They are still not 'born again' in Christ Jesus, and remain in that condition throughout the "thousand years". The idea of not living again until... is not about being raised from the dead later on, because remember, on the day of Christ's return all the dead are raised. These "dead" of Rev.20:5 also represent the wicked unsaved that are also... "changed" at the "last trump" when Jesus returns. So both the "resurrection of damnation" and the wicked will make up the unsaved nations during that future "thousand years" reign, and that is who Christ's "rod of iron" is for in ruling over the nations when He returns (see Psalms 2).

7. In 1 Corinthians 15:53-54 Apostle Paul revealed (in the Greek) about these that will still be subject to the "second death", their souls still being mortal and liable to perish. The KJV translation did not bring those different Greek words fully into the English about this. But it is there by Paul. This is what the "this mortal" phrase is about, meaning still being subject to the "second death", liable to die.

Lord Jesus showed about this condition of one's soul also, when He said the blind scribes and Pharisees were like whited tombs that appear beautiful on the outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones. And also that they likened to graves that men walk over and are not aware they are graves. It points to one's soul still be spiritually dead inside, being without Faith on Jesus Christ, and thus not saved. That is why those of Revelation 20:5 are called "the dead", and don't live until the thousand years are over. To not live in that future "thousand years" is pointing to still not saved in Christ Jesus, and still subject to the "second death".

8. When the Great White Throne Judgment happens, and the books are opened, the Book of Life is checked one final time to see if any names are written in it. Those who think for themselves can easily figure this out. If only those of the "first resurrection" represent the saved in Christ, then it would mean all others perish at the "second death", and thus none others live in Christ Jesus.

If the "first resurrection" unto Christ is the only one, then why even use the ordinal number 1? Because the ordinal number 1 ("first") is being used, it automatically is pointing to at least one more resurrection LIKE it. This is why the Book of Life is checked one more time at the end of the "thousand years" per the Revelation 20:12. It is see if any of those spiritually "dead" of Rev.20:5 have come to Christ Jesus and believed during the "thousand years". And thus those who believe, their souls put on immortality through Christ Jesus just like those of the 1st resurrection.

There are Old Testament prophecies that hint to what Christ's elect will doing for that future "thousand years" Millennial reign on earth by them and Lord Jesus. Those of us who reign with Him will be teaching His people the difference between the holy and profane, and the clean and unclean. And it is written the time will then come when His people will have no need to teach their neighbor to know The LORD, for all will know Him, from the least to the greatest (Jer.31:34).

 

[Joelightening]

As spoken of in Revelation?

What’s the difference between the 1st resurrection and the 2nd resurrection?

The first resurrection is being born of the water and of the Holy Spirit. That is water baptism in Jesus name and the baptism in the Holy Spirit. The next resurrection should be pretty obvious

 

[Prepared]

As spoken of in Revelation?

What’s the difference between the 1st resurrection and the 2nd resurrection?

This is my personal belief is those in the first resurrection who are those that are alive and remain and caught up in the air with the dead in Christ _ at His physical return at the last trumpet, which will be done simultaneously as he's coming down they are going up. They have been already been judged and redeemed to be with him. The Dead are those going back to the beginning of time, from Adam to David, to the apostles, to those who died in the tribulation of this last beast and his Antichrist _ as well as those who are still alive and stood for God during the reign of the two.
The rest of the Dead in the second Resurrection are those who were not taken in the first Resurrection _ will suffer the punishment of judgment according to their works. And if their names are not found written in the Lamb's Book of Life they will be casted into the place prepared for the devil (and his angels.)

In the first resurrection there is no mention of the Lambs Book of Life - He took them - like he took Enoch and Elijah - and those in the first resurrection will be his priest - which may be what the thousand years is for.

Simply put those in the first resurrection will not have to stand before Him in judgment but stand by Him.

 

[Albion]

What is your opinion on the 1st resurrection and the thousand year reign of Christ?​

Answer: They're going to happen, and the Bible explains that in order to be complete in its explanation of God's eternal plan for Mankind. But you and I are not asked to do anything in particular simply because there will someday be a thousand year reign of Christ on Earth.

Right now, in our lifetimes, we are called by the same Bible to pursue other activities over which we do have some control--the worship of God, obedience to his laws, charity and fairness towards all fellow humans, etc.

 

[1689Dave]

This is my personal belief is those in the first resurrection who are those that are alive and remain and caught up in the air with the dead in Christ _ at His physical return at the last trumpet, which will be done simultaneously as he's coming down they are going up. They have been already been judged and redeemed to be with him. The Dead are those going back to the beginning of time, from Adam to David, to the apostles, to those who died in the tribulation of this last beast and his Antichrist _ as well as those who are still alive and stood for God during the reign of the two.
The rest of the Dead in the second Resurrection are those who were not taken in the first Resurrection _ will suffer the punishment of judgment according to their works. And if their names are not found written in the Lamb's Book of Life they will be casted into the place prepared for the devil (and his angels.)

In the first resurrection there is no mention of the Lambs Book of Life - He took them - like he took Enoch and Elijah - and those in the first resurrection will be his priest - which may be what the thousand years is for.

Simply put those in the first resurrection will not have to stand before Him in judgment but stand by Him.

The Millennium is a Pharisee doctrine condemned by Christ in the gospels. Also condemned as heresy by the historic church in the creeds.

 

[Prepared]

The Millennium is a Pharisee doctrine condemned by Christ in the gospels. Also condemned as heresy by the historic church in the creeds.

Please give reference where I can find that information just in case my own search comes up empty.

 

[1689Dave]

Please give reference where I can find that information just in case my own search comes up empty.

The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine.

First, MILLENNIUM: MILLENNIUM - JewishEncyclopedia.com​

By: Joseph Jacobs, A. Biram

Table of Contents

Messianic Period an Interregnum.

The reign of peace, lasting one thousand years, which will precede the Last Judgment and the future life. The concept has assumed especial importance in the Christian Church, where it is termed also “chiliasm,” designating the dominion of Jesus with the glorified and risen saints over the world for a thousand years. Chiliasm or the idea of the millennium is, nevertheless, older than the Christian Church; for the belief in a period of one thousand years at the end of time as a preliminary to the resurrection of the dead was held in Parseeism. This concept is expressed in Jewish literature in Enoch, xiii., xci. 12-17; in the apocalypse of the ten weeks, in Apoc. Baruch, xl. 3 (“And his dominion shall last forever, until the world doomed to destruction shall perish”); and in II Esdras vii. 28-29. Neither here nor in later Jewish literature is the duration of this Messianic reign fixed. It is clear, however, that the rule of the Messiah was considered as an interregnum, from the fact that in many passages, such as Pes. 68a, Ber. 34b, Sanh. 91b and 99a, Shab. 63a, 113b, and 141b, a distinction is made between and , although it must be noted that some regarded the Messianic rule as the period of the fulfilment of the prophecies, while others saw in it the time of the subjugation of the nations.

But in time, the church condemned Premillennialism as heresy. First, According to the Nicene Creed​

………………. and He shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end.

Sproul, R. C. (Ed.). (2015). The Reformation Study Bible: English Standard Version (2015 Edition) (p. 2389). Orlando, FL: Reformation Trust.

Also condemned as heresy by the Council of Ephesus in 431 in two ways.



“In addition to its condemnation of Nestorianism, the council also condemned

Pelagianism, [2] and rejected premillennialism (Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Papias,

Tertullian, Origen, Lactantius) in favor of Amillennialism (Clement of

Alexandria, Chrysostom, Jerome and Augustine of Hippo): "Augustine's

explanation became Church doctrine when it was adopted as the definitive

explanation of the millennium by the Council of Ephesus in 431."[35]



Secondly, “Canon 7 condemned any departure from the creed established by the First Council of Nicaea (325)” This affirmed Jesus “shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.” Thereby denouncing premillennialism and the doctrines leading up to and including Dispensationalism of the 1800s.



Retrieved from Council of Ephesus - Wikipedia

 

[1689Dave]

Please give reference where I can find that information just in case my own search comes up empty.

>The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine, see Jewish Encyclopedia – MILLENNIUM. Jesus taught a much different view of the Kingdom.

Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom. Are you rejecting the gospel of the Kingdom in favor of the Pharisees?

>Also note, the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven are the same. “the kingdom of Heaven is at hand” (Matt. 4:17) = “the kingdom of God is at hand” (Mark 1:15)

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 5:3) = “Blessed are the poor, for yours is the kingdom of God” (Luke 6:20)

“Among those born of women there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist, notwithstanding he who is least in the kingdom of Heaven is greater than him.” (Matt. 11:11) = “Among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist, but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than him.” (Luke 7:28)

“the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 13:11) = “the mysteries of the kingdom of God” (Mark 4:11 cp. Luke 8:10)

“the kingdom of Heaven is like a grain of mustard seed” (Matt 13:31) = “the kingdom of God...is like a grain of mustard seed” (Mark 4:30-31 cp. Luke 13:18-19)

“The kingdom of Heaven is like leaven” (Matt. 13:33) = “the kingdom of God...is like leaven” (Luke 13:20)

“Except you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 18:3-4) = “Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein” (Mark 10:15)

“Allow little children, and do not forbid them to come to me, for of such is the kingdom of Heaven.” (Matt. 19:14) = “Allow the little children to come to me, and do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of God.” (Mark 10:14 cp. Luke 18:16)

“a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 19:23) = “How hardly shall they who have riches enter into the kingdom of God!” (Luke 18:24)

In other words, “kingdom of God” = “kingdom of Heaven.”

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” Matthew 24:14 (KJV 1900)

>"This gospel of the kingdom, not Premillennialism or Dispensationalism."

This gospel of the kingdom rules out both.

>Here's the scripture proof according to Jesus in the gospels.

Daniel said; “And in the days of these kings [Old Roman Empire] shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” Daniel 2:44 (NCPB)

“And [Jesus] saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

“But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.” Matthew 10:23 (KJV 1900)

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)

“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

“When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

“I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)

“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)

“That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)

“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)

“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

“For the kingdom is the LORD’s: and he is the governor among the nations.” Psalm 22:28 (NCPB)

“Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:” 2 Thessalonians 1:5 (KJV 1900)

“For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.” Luke 7:28 (KJV 1900)

“Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.” Luke 18:17 (KJV 1900)

“And it came about that when He had reclined at the table with them, He took the bread and blessed it, and breaking it, He began giving it to them.” Luke 24:30 (NASB)

“For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” Luke 22:16 (KJV 1900)

“And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.” Luke 24:30–31 (KJV 1900)

 

[shilohsfoal]

Peter taught that a day to the Lord is as 1000 years and 1000 years as a day. I understand the 1000 years to be the Sabbath day. The day our Lord shall rest. It would take place about 6000 years from the time of Adam. It starts after the Lord comes at the sound of the seventh trump when the kingdom promised to Christ becomes his. The kingdom itself lays between the euphrates river and the Nile river. Anyone in the kingdom when he comes that does not belong to him shall be cast out.
Far as I understand, the remnant of Israel who are killed for their testimony of Jesus and who do not worship the beast or its image and do not recieve its mark shall be resurrected and reign with Christ.

 

[shilohsfoal]

2 Peter 3:8-9
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


Luke 13:32

And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

Mathew 12:8
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Ezekiel chapters 37-38 correspond to the first resurection to Gogs attempt to overthrow the kingdom.
It's helps.

 

[Joshua1Eight]

Peter taught that a day to the Lord is as 1000 years and 1000 years as a day. I understand the 1000 years to be the Sabbath day. The day our Lord shall rest. It would take place about 6000 years from the time of Adam. It starts after the Lord comes at the sound of the seventh trump when the kingdom promised to Christ becomes his. The kingdom itself lays between the euphrates river and the Nile river. Anyone in the kingdom when he comes that does not belong to him shall be cast out.
Far as I understand, the remnant of Israel who are killed for their testimony of Jesus and who do not worship the beast or its image and do not recieve its mark shall be resurrected and reign with Christ.

Why didn’t it happen yet? 6,000 years from the time of Adam was 1997. Did Jesus come back that year and I missed it?

 

[shilohsfoal]

Why didn’t it happen yet? 6,000 years from the time of Adam was 1997. Did Jesus come back that year and I missed it?

You mean to tell me you know the exact year Adam was formed?
Do you also know the exact day as well?

 

[shilohsfoal]

Why didn’t it happen yet? 6,000 years from the time of Adam was 1997. Did Jesus come back that year and I missed it?

Here is an even better question and one worth thinking about.
Why did Christ rise from the dead on the third day and what does that have to do with his body?

 

[SetFree]

Just because many brethren do not follow the actual Bible Scripture about the resurrection and day of Christ's future return, they instead still want to retain and think about the things of this present flesh world, when this present world will be over and done when Jesus returns.

Apostle Paul was not pointing only to those in Christ with the idea of the resurrection. When Paul spoke of death being swallowed up in victory on that day, he got that idea from Isaiah 25:6-9. Ever read that brethren? It's about ALL... nations still alive when Jesus comes being 'changed' on Paul's "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15.

This means on the day of Christ's future return, ALL... will be in the "spiritual body" type. This flesh world age will be over.

1. "asleep" saints resurrected to the spiritual body.
2. those alive on earth 'changed' at the 'twinkling of an eye' to the spiritual body.