Questions that people should have asked Jesus (and that should have been recorded in the Bible)

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What are some questions that you think the people of Jesus' time should have asked Him while He was on Earth (and that should have been recorded in the Bible)?
 

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The Bible is just as God planned it. Experience that comes from following Christ's teachings helps us to understand it. But unless a person is born again they tend to see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear from it.
 

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The Bible is just as God planned it. Experience that comes from following Christ's teachings helps us to understand it. But unless a person is born again they tend to see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear from it.
So how do you explain the fact that people from various Christian denominations see and hear contradictory things by reading the same Bible?

Is only one denomination born again and the rest are not?

If that is the case, how can we tell which denomination is the one born again, if we are part of a denomination that isn't born again?
 

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So how do you explain the fact that people from various Christian denominations see and hear contradictory things by reading the same Bible?

Is only one denomination born again and the rest are not?

If that is the case, how can we tell which denomination is the one born again, if we are part of a denomination that isn't born again?
There are only 3 possible ways to understand the bible when it comes to salvation. Only one is true and the other two are false. They are: God alone saves sinners without their help (Salvation by Grace). the second is, sinners, save themselves through obedience with God's help (Salvation by works). And the third is, people are not really sinful and save themselves through obedience without God's help (Salvation by Works).

Every church falls into one of these categories but only one is true.
 

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Which one?
The only true system is in #1, God alone saves sinners by Grace.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8–9 (KJV 1900)
 

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The only true system is in #1, God alone saves sinners by Grace.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8–9 (KJV 1900)
Why do you think that the verse you quoted constitutes a convincing argument, when there are also numerous verses to counter it? What gives said verse more authority than the other verses that counter it have?
 

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Why do you think that the verse you quoted constitutes a convincing argument, when there are also numerous verses to counter it? What gives said verse more authority than the other verses that counter it have?
This verse plainly says salvation is by grace and not by works. The other verses must submit to it.
 

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This verse plainly says salvation is by grace and not by works. The other verses must submit to it.
How do you explain the parable of the sheep and the goats in light of that verse?
 

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So how do you explain the fact that people from various Christian denominations see and hear contradictory things by reading the same Bible?

I am confident that no matter how simple and straightforward any such written guide might be, it is still eligible for being misinterpreted by some readers.
 

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How do you explain the parable of the sheep and the goats in light of that verse?
Jesus died only for the sheep. That is why they believe in him. He did not die for the goats. That is why they don't believe in him, but in a false Christ instead.
 

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Jesus died only for the sheep. That is why they believe in him. He did not die for the goats. That is why they don't believe in him, but in a false Christ instead.
If the goats believe in a false Christ, why do they call Jesus "Lord" in the parable?
 

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Can you make it makes sense? Why did they believe in a false Christ? How can we make sure that we believe in the right Christ? What are the unfalsifiable assessment tools of which Christ is the right one?
 

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If the goats believe in a false Christ, why do they call Jesus "Lord" in the parable?

Historically, Lord was a title and could also be translated as master and not necessarily referring to God.
 

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Can you make it makes sense? Why did they believe in a false Christ?
Because humans in general believe in some higher power. That being the case, there are beliefs held by some that are correct, and other beliefs that are mistaken.

How can we make sure that we believe in the right Christ?
It's a matter of the reliability of the Bible.

What are the unfalsifiable assessment tools of which Christ is the right one?
See the reply that was just prior to this one.
 

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Can you make it makes sense? Why did they believe in a false Christ? How can we make sure that we believe in the right Christ? What are the unfalsifiable assessment tools of which Christ is the right one?
“He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 16:15–17 (KJV 1900)
 

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It's a matter of the reliability of the Bible.
Please elaborate. Is the only argument "the Bible is right because the Bible says that it's right"? I studied the Bible, I applied its promises to my life, it failed to produce the promised results. What arguments can I use to dismiss my personal experience with the Bible in favor of other people's experiences and claims about it?
 
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Please elaborate. Is the only argument "the Bible is right because the Bible says that it's right"?
No. That's why I used the word reliability.

The Bible has been called the most challenged or criticized (or something like that) book in the world. And that's probably not an exaggeration. Time and again, throughout history, some group or scholar has announced that he's discovered a fatal error in the Bible or that it's entirely phony. And time after time, the Bible has stood up to the challenge.

We should also realize that the Bible is not just a collection of sacred insights, which however is what many of the most important writings of other religions rely on. The Bible is, as you know, an amazing compendium of the human experience with a carefully explained outline of the origin of Earth and mankind, the history of God's people over the course of thousands of years, and much more than that. The Bible, in short, could be faulted in dozens of different ways, and yet it has proven itself repeatedly.

Consequently, there is good reason for believing its message(s), even if here and there the translation from the original languages is tricky or confusing.

I studied the Bible, I applied its promises to my life, it failed to produce the promised results.
I don't know what you have in mind when you say that.

What arguments can I use to dismiss my personal experience with the Bible in favor of other people's experiences and claims about it?

For one thing, I would be cautious about assessing the Bible through the use of something other people insisted had "happened" to them when they read something in it.

There are plenty of claims, including some posted on this website, that take off from reality, are not what any of the important church bodies teach, and aren't what the Bible reveals or commends to us. Not at all.

For another, I would suggest that no one just wade through their own doubts unaided by anything but what seems logical. Or scientific. This is where the assistance and guidance of a reputable church body comes in. I have met many people who are absolutely sure that something they read in the Bible is bunk or contradictory or impossible, etc. and they proceeded to build an entire worldview around that particular idea, totally on their own. Then they denounce organized religion.

Oddly enough, we live in a society in which there is financial help from experts available, and medical advice, and a jillion other bits of information about the world around us, and we seek it out; but when it comes to the things of God, we have a tendency to think we should rely on our own resources instead.
 
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