The Word Trinity not in scripture? I believe it is.

[1689Dave]

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The English word "Trinity" comes from Latin "Trinitas", meaning "the number three".[2] This abstract noun is formed from the adjective trinus (three each, threefold, triple),[3] as the word unitas is the abstract noun formed from unus (one).

The corresponding word in Greek is "Τριάς" (Trias), meaning "a set of three" or "the number three."[4]

The first recorded use of this Greek word in Christian theology was by Theophilus of Antioch in about 170. He did not speak about the Trinity of god. He wrote:[5][6]

"In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity [Τριάδος], of God, and His Word, and His wisdom. And the fourth is the type of man, who needs light, that so there may be God, the Word, wisdom, man."[7]

Tertullian, a Latin theologian who wrote in the early third century, was the first to use "Trinity"[8] "person" and "substance"[9] to explain that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are "one in essence – not one in Person."[10]

About a century later, in 325, the First Council of Nicaea established the doctrine of the Trinity as orthodoxy and adopted the Nicene Creed[11] that described Christ as "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance (homoousios) with the Father."


Trinity in scripture


The corresponding word in Greek is "Τριάς" (Trias), meaning "a set of three" or "the number three." Trinity - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Found in the Johannine Comma:

“For there are three [Τριάς] that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” 1 John 5:7 (KJV 1900)

Some object saying “the Johannine Comma is not in the older manuscripts.” But Cyprian quoted it between 200 -258.


CYPRIAN 200-258 AD. Treatises (I 5:423). "and again it Is written of the Father, and of the Son. and of the Holy Spirit, ‘And these three are one' "


The Lord says, “I and the Father are one;”4 and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, “And these three are one.”5


Cyprian of Carthage. (1886). On the Unity of the Church. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), R. E. Wallis (Trans.), Fathers of the Third Century: Hippolytus, Cyprian, Novatian, Appendix (Vol. 5, p. 423). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.

 

[Origen]

Some object saying “the Johannine Comma is not in the older manuscripts.”

The Johannine Comma is NOT found in the vast majority of manuscripts. In fact of the ca. 490 manuscripts of 1 John 5, the Comma is found in only 10. These are: 629, 61, 429, 918, 2473, 2318, 177, 221, 88, 636

Of those 10 manuscripts, the Comma is found as a margin reading (not the body of the text) in 5 of them.

GA 629 is the oldest Greek manuscripts which has the Comma in the body of the text and it dates to A.D. 1362.

Two of the above 5 are dated to the 1500s (i.e. 61 and 918), one dates to the 1600s (i.e. 2473), and another dates to the 1700s (i.e. 2318).

 

[1689Dave]

The Johannine Comma is NOT found in the majority of manuscripts. In fact of the ca. 490 manuscripts of 1 John 5, the Comma is found in only 10. These are: 629, 61, 429, 918, 2473, 2318, 177, 221, 88, 636

Of those 10 manuscripts, the Comma is found as a margin reading (not the body of the text) in 5 of them.

GA 629 is the oldest Greek manuscripts which has the Comma in the body of the text and it dates to A.D. 1362.

Two of the above 5 are dated to the 1500s (i.e. 61 and 918), one dates to the 1600s (i.e. 2473), and another dates to the 1700s (i.e. 2318).

But Cyprian quoted it sometime between 200 - 258.

 

[Origen]

Bit Cyprian quoted it sometime between 200 - 258.

How does that change the vast majority Greek manuscript evidence?

Should the Greek N.T. and our translations of the Greek N.T. be changed because of Cyprian a Latin source?

 

[1689Dave]

How does that change the vast majority of Greek manuscript evidence?

Should the Greek N.T. and our translation of the Greek N.T. be changed on because of Cyprian a Latin source?

You cannot prove a negative. You cannot prove it is not somewhere. Cyprian gives evidence that it existed somewhere before his time.

 

[Origen]

You cannot prove it is not somewhere.

lol

Cyprian gives evidence that it existed somewhere before his time.

Again I ask:

How does that change the vast majority Greek manuscript evidence?

Should the Greek N.T. and our translations of the Greek N.T. be changed because of Cyprian a Latin source?

 

[1689Dave]

lol


Again I ask:

How does that change the vast majority Greek manuscript evidence?

Should the Greek N.T. and our translations of the Greek N.T. be changed on because of Cyprian a Latin source?

You cannot prove something does not exist. Cyprian 200 -258 quotes it. So we can prove that much.

 

[Origen]

You cannot prove something does not exist. Cyprian 200 -258 quotes it.

Never claimed I could.

Could you please my questions.

How does that change the vast majority Greek manuscript evidence?

Should the Greek N.T. and our translations of the Greek N.T. be changed because of Cyprian a Latin source?

 

[1689Dave]

Never claimed I could.

Could you please my questions.

How does that change the vast majority Greek manuscript evidence?

Should the Greek N.T. and our translations of the Greek N.T. be changed on because of Cyprian a Latin source?

Who knows? Could the cosmonauts prove God does not exist because they didn't see him while in orbit? What about Cyprian quoting from it?

 

[Albion]

Excuse me, but I didn't find any conclusion stated in the OP. The word Trinity isn't in Scripture, but the concept is...and none of the verses that were cited which refer in one way or another to oneness, etc. rebut the belief in the Trinitarian concept of God.

 

[Origen]

Who knows? Could the cosmonauts prove God does not exist because they didn't see him while in orbit?

You are deflecting in order to avoid my questions.

What about Cyprian quoting from it?

I find it strange you refuse to answer my questions, but then turn around and ask me a question.

 

[1689Dave]

Excuse me, but I didn't find any conclusion stated in the OP. The word Trinity isn't in Scripture, but the concept is...and none of the verses that were cited which refer in one way or another to oneness, etc. rebut the belief in the Trinitarian concept of God.

If you want an English translation it's not there. But the Greek is. They say ; The corresponding word in Greek is "Τριάς" (Trias), meaning "a set of three" or "the number three."[4] and Found in the Johannine Comma:

“For there are three [Τριάς] that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” 1 John 5:7 (KJV 1900)

 

[Albion]

Okay, so what is the controversy? The Triune nature of God is clearly Biblical, even if that particular word isn't used. And as for the Johannine Comma, it is hardly the only scriptural "word on the subject."

 

[1689Dave]

Okay, so what is the controversy? The Triune nature of God is clearly Biblical, even if that particular word isn't used. And as for the Johannine Comma, it is hardly the only scriptural "word on the subject."

But it is there. And nobody can prove a negative saying otherwise.

 

[Albion]

But it is there. And nobody can prove a negative saying otherwise.

You're referring to the comma, I take it. But the whole controversy seems out of proportion. The Trinity--the concept that is orthodox Christian teaching--is verified by other passages in Scripture, the comma aside, and whether or not the word Trinity (in any language) itself is in the Bible.

 

[1689Dave]

You're referring to the comma, I take it. But the whole controversy seems out of proportion. The Trinity--the concept that is orthodox Christian teaching--is verified by other passages in Scripture, the comma aside, and whether or not the word Trinity itself is in the Bible.

You need to disprove the comma which you cannot do.

 

[Origen]

But it is there. And nobody can prove a negative saying otherwise.

 

[Origen]

You need to disprove the comma which you cannot do.

In other words, you have made up your mind and you don't care what the evidence is.

 

[Albion]

You need to disprove the comma which you cannot do.

I don't care to! What I was asking was what this debate over the comma accomplishes.

Whether the comma belongs or doesn't belong, the teaching about the Triune nature of the Godhead is found in Scripture.

 

[1689Dave]

I don't care to! What I was asking was what this debate over the comma accomplishes.

Whether the comma belongs or doesn't belong, the teaching about the Triune nature of the Godhead is found in Scripture.

I have many, many scriptures that prove it is clearly taught in the bible. Many.....