The mistake of preaching only happiness

[Hammster]

If people are not being heal today by the laying on of hands in the name of Jesus, we need to ask ourselves why not. I have found that people fight to remain sick. Why? I don't know. And they will chop your head off if you suggest that Jesus will heal them. It will not happen if people cannot or will not believe He is willing to heal them and forgive their sins.

Matt. 9:28 When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?”

“Yes, Lord,” they replied.

29 Then he touched their eyes and said, “According to your faith let it be done to you”; 30 and their sight was restored. Jesus warned them sternly, “See that no one knows about this.” 31 But they went out and spread the news about him all over that region.

All of the people who were healed in the Bible believed they would receive. I have seen people healed of cancers, emotional problems, addictions, HIV,,etc. And it is not the preacher. It is believers laying on hands. If one can believe, one can receive.Any believer who is full of the Holy Spirit has the power to lay on their hands in the name of Jesus. But healing is not going to happen if you don't believe it will happen as Jesus demonstrated in the passage above.. It is the trick of the enemy for believers to believe that our Father is not willing to heal them when His word clearly teaches that He is very willing. And stop owning disease and sickness saying my this or my that. That is a bad habit. Stop it. They even have commercials on t.v. teaching people to claim sickness and own it. It seems to me that it makes more sense to claim healing than to claim sickness. And stop catching stuff. Fight it off. I don't catch colds and flu. If I start having a symptom, I fight it off by confessing with my mouth that I will not be sick. It took me years to learn this. I only learned it in my latter years. And I am still learning from the Holy Spirit how to continue to walk in my healing. Here are some healing scripture that you can start listening to to believe,, reading, saying, and calling that thing that be not as though it be. The work Lord Jesus did on the cross bore all of our sins and griefs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0lq27rn8lA

You are wrong. Not all of the people who were healed in the bible believed Jesus would heal them. You need to repent of this lie. It puts a burden on people who are not healed.

 

[Hammster]

You do like to press dont you? I know God heals as I have been healed. You still avoid answering if you can hear God and if you have asked Him? He is the one with the ultimate answers

I'm pressing because your lies are damaging. But you are too prideful to see that. It disgusts me when I see supposed Christians make claims that the bible doesn't support, and when the claims don't happen, well it must be because those weak Christians just don't have enough faith.

You should repent. But we both know you will not.

 

[Brighten04]

I'm pressing because your lies are damaging. But you are too prideful to see that. It disgusts me when I see supposed Christians make claims that the bible doesn't support, and when the claims don't happen, well it must be because those weak Christians just don't have enough faith.
You should repent. But we both know you will not.

If you cannot believe, it is not my fault brother, I tell no lie. It is time for the children of our Father to live like children of our Father. Show me in the Bible where Jesus did not heal people who asked Him. When you choose to believe the Word, then talk to me. I know who I believe. Do you believe Jesus or your doctors who have an average life span of 6o years. Why should I repent of believing what Jesus said?

 

[Hammster]

If you cannot believe, it is not my fault brother, I tell no lie. It is time for the children of our Father to live like children of our Father. Show me in the Bible where Jesus did not heal people who asked Him. When you choose to believe the Word, then talk to me. I know who I believe. Do you believe Jesus or your doctors who have an average life span of 6o years. Why should I repent of believing what Jesus said?

Please do not misquote me. I never said that Jesus did not heal those who asked. I said that not everyone Jesus healed believed they would be healed.

 

[psalms 91]

I'm pressing because your lies are damaging. But you are too prideful to see that. It disgusts me when I see supposed Christians make claims that the bible doesn't support, and when the claims don't happen, well it must be because those weak Christians just don't have enough faith.

You should repent. But we both know you will not.

Just as I know you will not repent of badgering people, I left CF mainly because of your antics and at least you lost your position but I see they have reinstated you, says a lot about them caring about the ones you harrassed. I can and will put you on ignore if you choose to continue I have no problem with that. I like this site to much to leave so live with it as I will be around and if you choose to press once yu are on ignore then I guess we will just have to see what will happen over here.

 

[Hammster]

Just as I know you will not repent of badgering people, I left CF mainly because of your antics and at least you lost your position but I see they have reinstated you, says a lot about them caring about the ones you harrassed. I can and will put you on ignore if you choose to continue I have no problem with that. I like this site to much to leave so live with it as I will be around and if you choose to press once yu are on ignore then I guess we will just have to see what will happen over here.

Here's the thing, Bill. You didn't accuse me of pressing until you were backed into a hole. That's the norm. There was nothing I said that was out of line. You just cannot defend your position biblically, and you know it. So it's easier to blame that on me. That should cause you concern.

As to leaving CF because of me, you aren't even a baptist. So I can't see what I did to run you off.

 

[Josiah]

PERSONALLY, I'm very glad Hammster AND Bill 1231 are both here.... and actively posting. I regard both as friends and I tend to read their posts....


Some thoughts....

+ I LIKE when discussions can be (and are) open, free and real - without the silly "PC'isms" and "Kumbyah'isms" that render most Christian forums a waste of time (at best) or a promotion of relativism and nihlism (more likely). BUT that requires we all "cut some slack", don't state or read things personally, and - if things get too "hot" - forgive, forget and perhaps just exit the discussion.

+ I LIKE it when there are different views.... I LIKE it when things are presented that are different and new (especially when such is done in an informed, articulate manner). It's how I learn and grow. In a GOOD forum, people will disagree - and thus have an opportunity to grow and learn. IMO, it's best however when this is buttressed with a lot of humility and conveyed with a lot of "I messages" (I believe.... I think.... My view.... My opinion).


:wave:



Pax


- Josiah

 

[psalms 91]

Here's the thing, Bill. You didn't accuse me of pressing until you were backed into a hole. That's the norm. There was nothing I said that was out of line. You just cannot defend your position biblically, and you know it. So it's easier to blame that on me. That should cause you concern.

As to leaving CF because of me, you aren't even a baptist. So I can't see what I did to run you off.

True, not just you but aggressive posters, as to healing be biblical we will never agree and thats all there is to it but you really do need to ask God and seek His wisdom, not mine. As for healing being biblical I will let others answer that as you know it is.

 

[psalms 91]

PERSONALLY, I'm very glad Hammster AND Bill 1231 are both here.... and actively posting. I regard both as friends and I tend to read their posts....


Some thoughts....

+ I LIKE when discussions can be (and are) open, free and real - without the silly "PC'isms" and "Kumbyah'isms" that render most Christian forums a waste of time (at best) or a promotion of relativism and nihlism (more likely). BUT that requires we all "cut some slack", don't state or read things personally, and - if things get too "hot" - forgive, forget and perhaps just exit the discussion.

+ I LIKE it when there are different views.... I LIKE it when things are presented that are different and new (especially when such is done in an informed, articulate manner). It's how I learn and grow. In a GOOD forum, people will disagree - and thus have an opportunity to grow and learn. IMO, it's best however when this is buttressed with a lot of humility and conveyed with a lot of "I messages" (I believe.... I think.... My view.... My opinion).


:wave:



Pax


- Josiah

Thank you, I needed that perspective and I apologize if I went to far.

 

[Rens]

During the sermon today at church, the pastor boldly stated how he hated that today's American Evangelicals preach only happiness...happiness when you find your purpose, happiness when you find your direction. But, he loves the churches who celebrate All Saints Day because it forces us to look at our mortality. It forces us to realize that we still lives in these sinful bodies where there is suffering and affliction. And of course death.

Too many churches don't want to talk about how God allows us to suffer, yet the NT is filled with the sufferings of the faithful. God didn't promise we'd always be happy here on this earth.

Well suffering is promised but come on gimme a break have I ever really suffered? And if I will I want to be as happy as Paul in jail and rejoice always.

 

[tango]

The blind man that did not see clearly at first is one for progressive and also the man that the question was asked who sinned? And the answer was noone done for the glory of God, also the woman with the issue of blood was innher case about 20 years . And I am sure that there are more but that uis what I remember off the top of my head.

The woman with the issue of blood was healed instantly when she touched Jesus' clothes.

The blind man who was given his sight in two steps was still healed pretty much there and then. There was no sense of people praying for him for months or years without him getting any better. I'm sure most of us know people who are sick who have been prayed for relentlessly but who are still not healed. I'm sure we all know Christians who manage to keep their heads above water, financially speaking, but only just. I'm sure we know other Christians whose lives seem to be one trial after another after another. So if we want to claim that God assures us of health, wealth and an easy life we need to explain why some don't qualify.

 

[TurtleHare]

True, not just you but aggressive posters, as to healing be biblical we will never agree and thats all there is to it but you really do need to ask God and seek His wisdom, not mine. As for healing being biblical I will let others answer that as you know it is.

Healing is biblical.

What isn't biblical is trying to say that having enough faith causes healing and those who aren't healed never had enough faith. Don't you see that when you make that kind of statment your saying that faith is something within us that we can make grow and build up if we try hard enough? That isn't biblical. Faith is always ALWAYS a gift from God and we ask the Holy Spirit for more, yes, but He allocates it to us according to His timing and will.

 

[tango]

True, not just you but aggressive posters, as to healing be biblical we will never agree and thats all there is to it but you really do need to ask God and seek His wisdom, not mine. As for healing being biblical I will let others answer that as you know it is.

Here's the thing Bill, healing is Biblical - it's clear that God can and does heal. The idea that healing is guaranteed is harder to support, whether we look at the example of Timothy or the many people around us who are not healed despite years of prayer. It's really no different to the idea we can simply speak our problems out of existence - when Jesus said we needed to take up our cross he pretty much assured us that life wouldn't be all sunshine and roses once we decided to follow him.

I've said a few times in various threads that the options aren't "God always heals" or "God never heals". Sitting in the middle of those two options is "God sometimes heals", which is consistent with just about every observation you can make. "God always heals" is broken by a single instance of God not healing, just like "God never heals" is broken by a single instance of God healing. In both cases the fallback position of "God sometimes heals" holds true.

Why God heals some and not others is a mystery, and a mystery that's above my pay grade.

 

[psalms 91]

Here's the thing Bill, healing is Biblical - it's clear that God can and does heal. The idea that healing is guaranteed is harder to support, whether we look at the example of Timothy or the many people around us who are not healed despite years of prayer. It's really no different to the idea we can simply speak our problems out of existence - when Jesus said we needed to take up our cross he pretty much assured us that life wouldn't be all sunshine and roses once we decided to follow him.

I've said a few times in various threads that the options aren't "God always heals" or "God never heals". Sitting in the middle of those two options is "God sometimes heals", which is consistent with just about every observation you can make. "God always heals" is broken by a single instance of God not healing, just like "God never heals" is broken by a single instance of God healing. In both cases the fallback position of "God sometimes heals" holds true.

Why God heals some and not others is a mystery, and a mystery that's above my pay grade.

Exactly and why we should ask God why not. I do not think that Gods will is fior His children to suffer any more than I believe that God is limited in what He can do. As for speaking things that arrent as though they are, that is simply faith.

 

[tango]

Exactly and why we should ask God why not. I do not think that Gods will is fior His children to suffer any more than I believe that God is limited in what He can do. As for speaking things that arrent as though they are, that is simply faith.

We may ask God why someone isn't healed but ultimately it's up to God whether or not he heals. As soon as we think it's up to us then we usurp God's position and effectively expect him to perform like a puppet on a string.

It does take faith to speak of things that aren't as though they are but this goes back to the recurring theme of having well-placed faith. I can say there's a Lamborghini Aventador in my driveway as often as I want and it still isn't going to be there in the morning. However much faith I have that my supercar will magically appear on my driveway it is misplaced. The servant King who could have ordered the kings of the earth to carry him in a chariot made of solid gold but instead rode into town on a borrowed donkey isn't going to send his representative in such opulence.

Having faith in things that deserve no faith is no different to looking at the rickety bridge and taking a stance of blind faith that it will support your weight and crossing without taking any precautions for the likely event that you will fall.

Of course it's possible for God to tell us to step out in faith and speak things into being but to simply assume we can command that kind of power according to our own will is to stray dangerously close to the crimes committed by Lucifer before being thrown out of heaven.

 

[psalms 91]

We may ask God why someone isn't healed but ultimately it's up to God whether or not he heals. As soon as we think it's up to us then we usurp God's position and effectively expect him to perform like a puppet on a string.

It does take faith to speak of things that aren't as though they are but this goes back to the recurring theme of having well-placed faith. I can say there's a Lamborghini Aventador in my driveway as often as I want and it still isn't going to be there in the morning. However much faith I have that my supercar will magically appear on my driveway it is misplaced. The servant King who could have ordered the kings of the earth to carry him in a chariot made of solid gold but instead rode into town on a borrowed donkey isn't going to send his representative in such opulence.

Having faith in things that deserve no faith is no different to looking at the rickety bridge and taking a stance of blind faith that it will support your weight and crossing without taking any precautions for the likely event that you will fall.

Of course it's possible for God to tell us to step out in faith and speak things into being but to simply assume we can command that kind of power according to our own will is to stray dangerously close to the crimes committed by Lucifer before being thrown out of heaven.

As with all things it has to be in line with Gods will for us.

 

[Hammster]

As with all things it has to be in line with Gods will for us.

So then it's not so much our faith as it is God's will. That's not what you were espousing previously.

 

[psalms 91]

Actually they go hand in hand, hearing God and knowing His will is key in anything in our lives, thus why we need to hear God although so many dont. You seem to keep going over that part

 

[Hammster]

Actually they go hand in hand, hearing God and knowing His will is key in anything in our lives, thus why we need to hear God although so many dont. You seem to keep going over that part

Not at all. But you said that since Jesus healed in the NT that He heals today. But you also have implied that one must have faith. I've shown that not all who were healed had faith, nor did everyone who was healed ask for healing. But nothing you've said actually jives with reality. That doesn't seem to concern you.

 

[Josiah]

Not at all. But you said that since Jesus healed in the NT that He heals today. But you also have implied that one must have faith. I've shown that not all who were healed had faith, nor did everyone who was healed ask for healing. But nothing you've said actually jives with reality. That doesn't seem to concern you.

IMO.....

1. God's love is unconditional..... God causes the rain to fall on the just and unjust alike.... God certainly MAY bestow His grace and blessings on any - REGARDLESS of their anything.

2. I don't think our relationship with God (and I'm speaking of Christians here, folks who have the gift of faith) is a mechanical one... as if God were a slot machine or wish giver or genie. I think God answers prayer but not always as such. My grandfather (whom I GREATLY loved and who died recently) was a man of GREAT faith who prayed for healing of his cancer.... he died. I believe God's love and grace nonetheless prevailed and grandpa WAS healed - albeit in heaven (Yeah, I know, some here will mock that faith). And I believe that tough times are sometimes used by God to grow us and bless us - in spite of our prayers and faith. Paul says that he prayed for the "thorn" to be removed, yet (it seems) God never did, in stead God taught him THROUGH that that His grace is sufficient. And, of course, I too have known people who had faith and were completely healed - a miracle. Praise God! And I've known unbelievers who didn't have faith and were completely healed. Praise God! I REJOICE that God bestows His blessings on the lacking since I'm lacking.


Sorry....


Just my half cent (ain't saying it's saying much).


- Josiah