What I Expect In Heaven

[Odë:hgöd]

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Personally I have no interest in the celestial sphere of the kingdom of Heaven. To
me, it's a foreign country. I want to stay right here on earth during Messiah's 1,000
year administration and visit all the places to which I have never gone, do all the
things I've never done, and see all the things I've never seen.

The new cosmos won't be constructed till after Messiah's millennial rein on this
corrupt earth is over, and the great white throne event wraps. Which is fine with
me 'cause there's a lot left to see and do that I won't get around to in this life. I
plan on making very good use of those thousand years to tour ever square inch of
this planet-- on land and sea.

Can you just imagine having free rein of this planet with an immortal body and
perpetual youth, and no fear of war, violence, poisonous snakes, toxic insects, or
wild animals!? I can hardly wait. One of the first things I want to do in Messiah's
kingdom is hike the triple crown: the Pacific Coast Trail, The Continental Divide
Trail, and the Appalachian Trail. Yeah, Cirque of the Towers here I come!!!

People hike the big trails for a variety of personal reasons. Some march thru like
soldiers to get it done and chalked up, while other's take their time and savor every
minute of the adventure-- all the sights, sounds, smells, and wild things that they
encounter along the way: even the dirt, the dust, the bugs, the hazards, and the
discomforts. They are in no hurry to get done because if they hurry, they might
miss something.

YouTube adventurer Jennifer Mabus (a.k.a. Starburst) is one of those. She even
stopped for a while to watch two small lizards battle out a territorial dispute. Hiker
trash passing by thought she was nuts and wasting time; but Jennifer was in
Nirvana, so to speak.

Well; that's me. I want the whole nine yards. Charging ahead to the end of one of
those wonderful trails is just not my idea of a heavenly good time.

• Ps 16:11 . . You will make known to me the path of life; in Your presence is
fullness of joy; in Your right hand there are pleasures forever.
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[Odë:hgöd]

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I expect to be quarantined upon arrival and shuttled off to a sort of Bible gulag
where I'll undergo intense indoctrination so that when I'm released into the general
population there will be no quarrelling and/or debating.

I also expect to be pushed thru a sort of finishing school where my manners will be
corrected to perfection so that I don't go about insulting folks, stepping on their
toes, and/or hurting their feelings with thoughtless remarks and toxic rejoinders.

For many of us working stiffs, the first day on a new job is stressful and quite an
adjustment. The night before that first day can cause enough anxiety to keep us
awake worrying about what we might expect.

I'd imagine that, whether we end up in the right place or the wrong place in the
afterlife, we will be just as stressed on our first day there as the first day here on a
new job.

The anxiety associated with death is to be expected seeing as how most of us have
no experience at all with that particular journey. But I think the majority of my
anxiety in regards to death is related to what comes after. Pity there are no guide
books available in print to prepare us in advance for the culture-shock tsunami with
which we are sure to be slammed.
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[Lees]

How little you know of God, of Whom you profess to believe.

(Ps. 116:15) "Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints"

Remember that word...precious. It is our coming home and He knows it. And He is there to meet us. Just because we don't know exactly how it will transpire now, and that we may experience some anxiety now and before that, all anxiety will be removed once we are there.

Your use of terms 'gulag' and 'indoctrinated' are strange, if not completely disrespectful. God will not send His people to a gulag and indoctrinate them. And those who are not his, God is not going to waste His time on any such 'indoctrination'. He has a place for them.

A mother when she gives birth, forgets the pain, and cries with joy over her child. If a father is present at that birth, he does the same...or fights back the tears, as he wants to cry too.

That is our physical death here. We are coming home to God. And it is precious to Him.

Lees

 

[Joshua1Eight]

You might need to be purged in purgatory before you get there.

 

[Lees]

You might need to be purged in purgatory before you get there.

No such thing. Unless you believe Christ's sacrifice was not enough. So, is that what you believe?

Lees

 

[Albion]

No such thing. Unless you believe Christ's sacrifice was not enough.

That's very true.

And it doesn't look as though "soul sleep" is our destiny, either.

We will, I think, be ushered into a wondrous existence that none of us can imagine while we are still in this life. That's why the Scriptural references are positive but not spelled out in detail.

 

[Stravinsk]

I don't know what to expect of heaven. The main reason is, it seems so under-represented on earth. Men are dazzled with pictures of distant stars and galaxies, a place where imagination seems boundless, and heaven is more often represented as a sort of place of boredom amongst the clouds.

Not that I expect I'll go. Nor that I will be denied. Those are judgements that Christians make, not Deists. In any case, if I am offered the opportunity and see any Grand Inquisitors like Lees in the heavenly fold, I'm likely to ask God to throw me into the fire to be destroyed, as Heaven just wouldn't be worth it.

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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I look forward to visiting Heaven's library where everything that's known and can
be known about the cosmos is stored. Carl Sagan would've loved that library
because he went to his grave with a lot of unanswered questions. But now they'll
never be answered because Carl was, at best, an agnostic, and at worst, an atheist.
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[Lees]

I don't know what to expect of heaven. The main reason is, it seems so under-represented on earth. Men are dazzled with pictures of distant stars and galaxies, a place where imagination seems boundless, and heaven is more often represented as a sort of place of boredom amongst the clouds.

Not that I expect I'll go. Nor that I will be denied. Those are judgements that Christians make, not Deists. In any case, if I am offered the opportunity and see any Grand Inquisitors like Lees in the heavenly fold, I'm likely to ask God to throw me into the fire to be destroyed, as Heaven just wouldn't be worth it.

For all those in the lake of fire, Heaven is not worth it.

Your decison, won't count on that day. Enjoy your fantasy now while you have it.

Lees

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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According to Matt 26:29, Luke 22:15-16, and Luke 22:28-30 Jesus' followers will be
capable of dining upon ordinary foods and beverages.

I look forward to that because at my current age of 78, I've lost much of my senses
of smell and taste. With the new youthful body promised to his followers, my
favorites will be a lot more savory than now.
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[Odë:hgöd]

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The supernatural circumcision spoken of by Colossians 2:11 makes it possible for a
sinner to enter Heaven completely free of human nature, i.e. 100% sinless; which
means the kingdom's citizens will never have to worry they'll do something serious
enough to get themselves banished.
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[Odë:hgöd]

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I started out in life with really good eyesight. The stars appeared as little pin pricks
of bright light, reading fine print was a piece of cake, and I could almost see in the
dark like a cat. That all began to wane right around the age of 31 as astigmatism
took hold.

Well; the astigmatism was an easy fix with glasses but then when I got older,
cataracts crept up on me and driving my car became very hazardous 'cause my
vision was like looking thru a very dirty, foggy window. I couldn't read street signs
in time to make a safe turn nor could I accurately judge the distance between mine
and oncoming cars nor tell how fast they were approaching. So left turns became
an adventure, to say the least.

These days cataracts and astigmatism are relatively easy to correct (if you can
afford it) but I am looking forward to that day in Messiah's kingdom when my sight
will be just as good or better as what I had as a youngster.

• Isa 35:5 . .Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened.
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[Lees]

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I look forward to visiting Heaven's library where everything that's known and can
be known about the cosmos is stored. Carl Sagan would've loved that library
because he went to his grave with a lot of unanswered questions. But now they'll
never be answered because Carl was, at best, an agnostic, and at worst, an atheist.
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Carl Sagan was right on the edge looking at the impossible and miraculous. But he couldn't take the step.

I believe it was in the 1970's that he did an interview with a magazine. Someone asked him if he thought it were possible that there could be life on other planets in the solar system or universe, like ours.

His answer: No. Why? Because as astronomer, and astrophysicist, cosmologist, etc., he knew how everything necessary to establish human life on earth, had to be so exact, so perfect, that it couldn't possibly happen again.

If he had just thought about his answer....what he was saying. If you're saying it couldn't occur again, then you're saying it never could just have occurred in the first place. SomeOne must be behind it.

But he could not admit that.

Lees

 

[Lees]

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The supernatural circumcision spoken of by Colossians 2:11 makes it possible for a
sinner to enter Heaven completely free of human nature, i.e. 100% sinless; which
means the kingdom's citizens will never have to worry they'll do something serious
enough to get themselves banished.
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Not so. (Col. 2:11) says no such thing.

We are never 'free of human nature'. We will be free from the sins of the flesh in this body we now dwell in. When we enter Heaven, we don't cease to be human. We cease to be sinful humans.

Does Christ have a human nature?

And, just exactly why will we never have to worry over sinning again and being banished? Lucifer was created perfect, yet sinned against God. Adam and Eve were without sin, yet sinned against God.

So what do you base your 'assurance' on?

Lees

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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• Isa 2:4 . . Neither shall they learn war any more.

There's roughly 45½ million men and women in a military worldwide.

Globally, defense spending adds up to roughly 1¾ Trillion dollars.

In one of his speeches; former US President John Kennedy said:

“Every man, woman and child lives under a nuclear sword of Damocles, hanging by
the slenderest of threads, capable of being cut at any moment by accident or
miscalculation or by madness.”

The world has become a powder keg. There's easily enough nukes around the globe
that if detonated, would likely send us all back to more primitive times.

In a famous comment, physicist Albert Einstein said:

“I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV
will be fought with sticks and stones.”

In all my 78 years, I have yet to live even one decade free of the fear of war; but I
expect to in Messiah's kingdom.

• Isa 2:4 . .They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation

NOTE: A US $1 bill is roughly 6.14 inches in length. One trillion of those would
make a chain of currency stretching something like 96,906,565 miles which is
roughly three million miles further than the average distance to the Sun from the
Earth. (The current national debt is 30x that amount)
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[Lees]

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• Isa 2:4 . . Neither shall they learn war any more.

There's roughly 45½ million men and women in a military worldwide.

Globally, defense spending adds up to roughly 1¾ Trillion dollars.

In one of his speeches; former US President John Kennedy said:

“Every man, woman and child lives under a nuclear sword of Damocles, hanging by
the slenderest of threads, capable of being cut at any moment by accident or
miscalculation or by madness.”

The world has become a powder keg. There's easily enough nukes around the globe
that if detonated, would likely send us all back to more primitive times.

In a famous comment, physicist Albert Einstein said:

“I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV
will be fought with sticks and stones.”

In all my 78 years, I have yet to live even one decade free of the fear of war; but I
expect to in Messiah's kingdom.

• Isa 2:4 . .They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation

NOTE: A US $1 bill is roughly 6.14 inches in length. One trillion of those would
make a chain of currency stretching something like 96,906,565 miles which is
roughly three million miles further than the average distance to the Sun from the
Earth. (The current national debt is 30x that amount)
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Old age doesn't mean you're wise. Big deal, you're 78.

You want to project a certain knowledge, but you cannot answer my questions. Rather you ignore them.

When one asserts an opinion, but avoids questions surrounding that opinion, his opinion is 'worthless'. He will not, and cannot defend it. All he can do is project it.

And, opinions are like...arm pits. Everyone has them.

Lees

 

[Deborah]

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Personally I have no interest in the celestial sphere of the kingdom of Heaven. To
me, it's a foreign country. I want to stay right here on earth during Messiah's 1,000
year administration and visit all the places to which I have never gone, do all the
things I've never done, and see all the things I've never seen.

The new cosmos won't be constructed till after Messiah's millennial rein on this
corrupt earth is over, and the great white throne event wraps. Which is fine with
me 'cause there's a lot left to see and do that I won't get around to in this life. I
plan on making very good use of those thousand years to tour ever square inch of
this planet-- on land and sea.

Can you just imagine having free rein of this planet with an immortal body and
perpetual youth, and no fear of war, violence, poisonous snakes, toxic insects, or
wild animals!? I can hardly wait. One of the first things I want to do in Messiah's
kingdom is hike the triple crown: the Pacific Coast Trail, The Continental Divide
Trail, and the Appalachian Trail. Yeah, Cirque of the Towers here I come!!!

People hike the big trails for a variety of personal reasons. Some march thru like
soldiers to get it done and chalked up, while other's take their time and savor every
minute of the adventure-- all the sights, sounds, smells, and wild things that they
encounter along the way: even the dirt, the dust, the bugs, the hazards, and the
discomforts. They are in no hurry to get done because if they hurry, they might
miss something.

YouTube adventurer Jennifer Mabus (a.k.a. Starburst) is one of those. She even
stopped for a while to watch two small lizards battle out a territorial dispute. Hiker
trash passing by thought she was nuts and wasting time; but Jennifer was in
Nirvana, so to speak.

Well; that's me. I want the whole nine yards. Charging ahead to the end of one of
those wonderful trails is just not my idea of a heavenly good time.

• Ps 16:11 . . You will make known to me the path of life; in Your presence is
fullness of joy; in Your right hand there are pleasures forever.
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Just want to mention that the 1000 year period ( The Millennial Kingdom) will not be a period of living out our soul life. In this age we overcome him (satan) by the blood of the lamb and by the word of our testimony and we love not our soul life even unto the death. (Rev 12:11) This is the age of grace to gain oil for our vessel ( parable of the ten virgins). We pass through many trials, and sufferings in our human life. Hopefully we gain more of our Dear Lord Jesus during these times. God would like to have an expression on the earth in us as well as to defeat His enemy. Even Paul was not assured of gaining the reward of the kingdom until the very end of his life, before his martyrdom in II Timothy 4:7. God is calling for overcomers today. He called seven times in Revelation 2 & 3. What do we need to overcome? To name a few: self, sin, satan, the world. lukewarmness towards the Lord etc. You can read these two chapters in Revelation. This is the age to overcome. We have the unique One within us who overcame! Let’s all gain more of Him daily!

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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There's growing concern here in the USA about crime and prison overpopulation.
Well; the good news is: Messiah's kingdom will have no penal systems because He's
going to rule in strict compliance with the law of God wherein there are no prisons.

Fines? Yes. Reparations? Yes. Lashes? Yes. Burning? Yes. Hanging? Yes. Stoning?
Yes. Excommunication? Yes. But jails and prisons? No; confinement will not be an
option. Justice will be swift, punishment will be summary; and there will be no
appeals. People deserving capital punishment will get it that very day; no
languishing on a death row.

• Isa 9:6-7 . . For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
government shall be upon his shoulder . . . Of the increase of his government there
shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and
to establish it with judgment and with justice.

In our world, only the rich can afford justice. Tort law is especially unfair. Large
multi billion dollar businesses can afford to stretch lawsuits out indefinitely till their
less fortunate opponents are financially ruined trying to keep up. That won't
happen in Messiah's world.

• Ps 72:2-4 . . He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with
judgment. He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the
needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.

In my country, too many judges at the State and Federal levels are political
appointees, resulting in a very large percentage of their opinions reflecting bias. It
should be interesting to see how Messiah goes about regulating the world to keep
biased judges out of its judicial systems. (cf. Psalm 82)
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[Odë:hgöd]

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My neighborhood is popular with joggers. Well; one day, as a youthful runner
passed by, I noticed how springy their gate was. As they came down on each foot
in turn, they rebounded, i.e. bounced.

Well; it hit me that it had been quite a while ago that any of my steps were bouncy.
At 78, each time I come down on one of my feet, even when walking, I come to
ground with a solid jolt, as if my legs are made of wood; especially since replacing
my natural knees with artificial joints. I think it might be time for me to get a pair
of those fancy sports shoes that absorb shock. In Messiah's kingdom, I'll be back to
normal.

• Mal 4:2 . . For you who revere My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with
healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall.

• Isa 35:6 . .Then will the lame leap like a deer
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[Fritz Kobus]

I look forward to this day.
1 Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.