Rev 12 woman appears in sky

[visionary]

which inner court?

 

[pinacled]

which inner court?

Sorry, I was hasty.

 

[Brighten04]

Sorry, I was hasty.

Happens to the best of us. No problem.

 

[tango]

I'll answer in time.
Do you know how many singers are in the Inner Court?

Are you going to make your point or not?

 

[TurtleHare]

Those who poo poo may be refusing to see what is right in front of them but may also simply be looking for an explanation as to why someone believes this sign is important while other signs are not. There's a big difference between "that can never happen now" and, for example, "why is this planetary alignment significant when the last one was not?".

If someone can explain why they believe why a particular astronomical observation is significant there's something to consider and discuss. If all someone has to say is a generic comment about signs in the heavens and claim that therefore every little thing that happens in the sky is a sign then it's only a question of time before they start to sound like the kind of person who runs around claiming the sky is falling. They also tend to look like the kind of person who predicts doom and gloom on the basis that sooner or later Something Very Bad will happen and they can claim they were right all along.

Why are signs so important to some. When he comes he will come and in the meantime we are faithful isn't that what scripture tells us? To remain in faith. If we worry so much about signs then we aren't focused on what is important I feel.

 

[visionary]

If the magi didn't get the sign would they have traveled to see the Messiah? If Israel wasn't expecting a Messiah would they have thrown down palm branches saying Hoshannah to the King before Yeshua? If that particular Passover wasn't the appointed time, would Yeshua have gone to Jerusalem to be the sacrifice?

 

[Brighten04]

Why are signs so important to some. When he comes he will come and in the meantime we are faithful isn't that what scripture tells us? To remain in faith. If we worry so much about signs then we aren't focused on what is important I feel.

Well, if you consider the Word of Lord Jesus, and if you want to obey Him, then signs are important.
Matt. 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

What are we watching ? We are watching the signs that Lord Jesus said we would see. Read Matt. 24

 

[tango]

If the magi didn't get the sign would they have traveled to see the Messiah? If Israel wasn't expecting a Messiah would they have thrown down palm branches saying Hoshannah to the King before Yeshua? If that particular Passover wasn't the appointed time, would Yeshua have gone to Jerusalem to be the sacrifice?

... and this is the classic difference between an example and a principle.

If the Magi hadn't seen the star they wouldn't have travelled. But if they hurried off after every star they saw they'd have spent their lives on wild goose chases. It's the difference between looking for the right sign and assuming everything is a sign.

There are all sorts of things that might be signs, what's critical is to recognise that there may be signs while not assuming every little thing is a sign. In the context of this thread, Leo and Virgo in formation as shown in the picture with the sun and the moon (I generally can't be bothered with watching YouTube videos) is interesting, and could be what is referenced by the Revelation. But with nothing more than a YouTube video to go on it might be nothing more than an interesting coincidence.

The trick, of course, is to figure out what is an interesting coincidence and what is important. Those who poo-poo may go too far towards assuming everything is an interesting coincidence, while those who "have faith" may spend their lives on one goose chase after another. It's really not helpful to write off people who disagree by pigeonholing them, simply because they may have a good point.

To use another example of a thread from here, much of the discussion as to why the recent blood moon was allegedly significant was little more than a generic comment that God provides signs in the sky. I didn't see anybody dispute that, but if that's all there is to support the claim that the blood moon was significant you could use the exact same argument to claim that Halley's Comet was significant, that Hale-Bopp was significant, or that just about every eclipse was significant. And if you made enough claims that a "sign in the sky" meant something, sooner or later you'd be right.

 

[visionary]

... and this is the classic difference between an example and a principle.

If the Magi hadn't seen the star they wouldn't have travelled. But if they hurried off after every star they saw they'd have spent their lives on wild goose chases. It's the difference between looking for the right sign and assuming everything is a sign.

There are all sorts of things that might be signs, what's critical is to recognise that there may be signs while not assuming every little thing is a sign. In the context of this thread, Leo and Virgo in formation as shown in the picture with the sun and the moon (I generally can't be bothered with watching YouTube videos) is interesting, and could be what is referenced by the Revelation. But with nothing more than a YouTube video to go on it might be nothing more than an interesting coincidence.

The trick, of course, is to figure out what is an interesting coincidence and what is important. Those who poo-poo may go too far towards assuming everything is an interesting coincidence, while those who "have faith" may spend their lives on one goose chase after another. It's really not helpful to write off people who disagree by pigeonholing them, simply because they may have a good point.

To use another example of a thread from here, much of the discussion as to why the recent blood moon was allegedly significant was little more than a generic comment that God provides signs in the sky. I didn't see anybody dispute that, but if that's all there is to support the claim that the blood moon was significant you could use the exact same argument to claim that Halley's Comet was significant, that Hale-Bopp was significant, or that just about every eclipse was significant. And if you made enough claims that a "sign in the sky" meant something, sooner or later you'd be right.

And that is where God's wisdom comes in... Prayerful we are looking and understanding as God's wants us to... but first we have to be earnestly wanting to know.

 

[tango]

And that is where God's wisdom comes in... Prayerful we are looking and understanding as God's wants us to... but first we have to be earnestly wanting to know.

True, we need to want to know. If we err one way we poo-poo everything as irrelevant; if we err the other way we chase one "sign" after another and waste our lives looking up at the sky. That's why if someone who doesn't answer "why is this relevant?" with an answer that's specific to whatever they are presenting isn't someone whose claim I'd take as seriously as someone who could answer the question.

I must admit I'm not sure what to make of your post about the "woman in the sky" crowned with twelve stars being Leo and Virgo in conjunction like this, but it's certainly an interesting theory. If nothing else it matches in more specific ways than "there will be signs in the sky".

 

[pinacled]

There are Spiritual signs as well.
Ecclesiastes 3King James Version (KJV)

3 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?
10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.
11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
12 I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.
13 And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.
14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.
17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?



Drunkeness...

Ephesians 5
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
18And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;


…5and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, "BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." 6And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered greatly.

This woman is spoken of in Jeremiah.

Done in secret, as in the abomination of desolation spoken of in Daniel.

 

[Brighten04]

Not only this sign, but others also, like the blood moons..The meteors falling like the one that hit Russia a few years back. There have been others, but none as spectacular as that one. And there was a blood moon over the Sea of Galilee Oct.31st. The Taurid meteor shower this year was more spectacular than ever. Signs in the sun. A large CME struck Earth a few days ago causing an Air Port to shut down in Sweden causing people in the lower 48 as far South as Ohio to witness Northern Lights. The President has ordered power companies to shield the electric grid because there is a huge sun spot pointing at us, and if a CME hits us before the shielding is up, we could be in the dark for months. Expect your electric bill to go up because you know the power companies are going to make us pay for it. We had an huge asteroid come closs on Halloween. All kind of things happening in the sky.Signs in the Heavens. Look up.

 

[tango]

Not only this sign, but others also, like the blood moons..The meteors falling like the one that hit Russia a few years back. There have been others, but none as spectacular as that one. And there was a blood moon over the Sea of Galilee Oct.31st. The Taurid meteor shower this year was more spectacular than ever. Signs in the sun. A large CME struck Earth a few days ago causing an Air Port to shut down in Sweden causing people in the lower 48 as far South as Ohio to witness Northern Lights. The President has ordered power companies to shield the electric grid because there is a huge sun spot pointing at us, and if a CME hits us before the shielding is up, we could be in the dark for months. Expect your electric bill to go up because you know the power companies are going to make us pay for it. We had an huge asteroid come closs on Halloween. All kind of things happening in the sky.Signs in the Heavens. Look up.

So which of those signs do you believe point to God being about to do something, and why do you believe they point to something specific?

Why is the asteroid you mentioned significant if Hale-Bopp was not?

It's easy to point at things happening, but harder to explain why one is relevant while another is not.

 

[visionary]

Just how many signs are there that look pretty close to being fulfilled.

We have the gospel going to the four corner of the world. There are very few languages that the bible is not yet written in.
We have wars and rumors of wars. We are on the brink of a WW3, [woe, woe, and woe]
We have earthquakes in diverse places with more frequency and stronger just like a woman ready to give birth.
We have political corruption so bad that even when it is pointed out, nothing is done about it.
We have sexual perversion getting closer and closer to being accepted as the norm.
We have drugs for every excuse.
We have volcanoes and strange climate intensities and extreme weather.
We have the blood moons.
We have the sign in the heavens with the moon at her feet and the 12 stars at her head.
We have Israel a nation again.
We have Israel surrounded by those who wish it gone.
We have governments and powerful individuals who are working towards the one world government.
We have the capability now to mark every man, woman, and child.
We have the capability to annihilate ourselves in one fell swoop.
We kill the unborn because of its inconvenience.
We kill without remorse or conscience.
We have the spread of a deadly religion that kills not only its own, but all those around it.
We have superbugs that can wipe out all who come in contact.
We have food that is GMO and not natural.
and the list goes on....

What things have no yet happened?

 

[pinacled]

So which of those signs do you believe point to God being about to do something, and why do you believe they point to something specific?

Why is the asteroid you mentioned significant if Hale-Bopp was not?

It's easy to point at things happening, but harder to explain why one is relevant while another is not.

12 The word of the Lord came again to me, saying,

13 Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it:

14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God.

15 If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts:

16 Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate.

17 Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it:

18 Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters, but they only shall be delivered themselves.

19 Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast:

20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

 

[pinacled]

So which of those signs do you believe point to God being about to do something, and why do you believe they point to something specific?

Why is the asteroid you mentioned significant if Hale-Bopp was not?

It's easy to point at things happening, but harder to explain why one is relevant while another is not.

If you wish to continue toward an endeavor of testimony. I can only offer one direction to which your salvation can be reached. I will not pass by the other side and deny my arms to be shaven regardless of the gulf. If you continue to carry such a money bag as you will. Nothing but the power of our Lord will save you.

 

[Brighten04]

So which of those signs do you believe point to God being about to do something, and why do you believe they point to something specific?

Why is the asteroid you mentioned significant if Hale-Bopp was not?

It's easy to point at things happening, but harder to explain why one is relevant while another is not.

All of them and the way they are happening.They are happening one right after another along with the signs in the Earth. Lord Jesus told us what to look for in Matthew 24. And He mentioned that it would be like birth pangs on a woman. Now I spent my career delivering babies and I have given birth to my children, so I have experience with birth. When a woman gets close to term she starts to have contractions, one here, one there. The early ones you do not pay a lot of attention to(Hale -Bopp). As time goes on, they begin to happen more frequently. Then you begin to notice that they are coming more often. Sometimes the water breaks as a signal that birth is imminent.When the labor pains start to happen every two minutes, you know birth is very close even to crowning. Now apply that to what Jesus said in Matthew 24. When you read that chapter, just picture a woman in labor. The universe is the woman. Now put in everything visionary pointed to in her post. If you cannot see the travail happening, there is nothing else I can say to shed the light for you. One thing I noticed about people when labor starts. They want to know how much time it is going to take. I just tell them some labor for a few hours and some labor for days. Simple answer is we just have to watch and wait.

 

[pinacled]

Just Love this part.

33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.

34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:

35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

36 At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.

37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

 

[visionary]

This latest with ISIS should walk everyone up. Not only for what they did in Paris, but because they are starting to arrive in New Orleans. I don't know about the other ports, but someone left the door open for them to come.

 

[psalms 91]

This latest with ISIS should walk everyone up. Not only for what they did in Paris, but because they are starting to arrive in New Orleans. I don't know about the other ports, but someone left the door open for them to come.

What else is new, I amsurprised they are not visiting the white house