Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[Albion]

And what is the interpretation?

It's that killing animals is not categorically unlawful.

You would have to twist a lot in order to make sense of it, you won't be able.

Do you see a lot of twisting in the answer you were just given?

One requires an eye for an eye, and Jesus rebukes that and says to turn the other cheek, they are different judgements at the very least, they can't both be from a Perfect God.

In other words, you affirm parts of Scripture that you think support your theory and you dismiss out of hand other parts of Scripture because they refute your theory.

What was noted earlier--that Scripture is denied in your posts--is obviously accurate therefore, and your theory depends upon there being such a denial.

 

[DanielL]

You may have included the word "innocent" in some of your posts

-It has always been what I've been posting.. This is just your desperate attempt to discredit my person, since you can't speak against Scripture you have to attack me..

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

lions or bears that were "guilty" (which is nonsense)

It might be nonsense to you, but it is plain to him that understandeth. So the flaw is on you and on your lack of understanding.

-The snake was a beast of the field, and the snake sinned and was punished accordingly. Reject at your own discretion.

("Is it lawful to kill animals?") has to be answered in the affirmative

It is also negative, but it is clear whom you serve. Until the day the killers will be killed. The lion and bear that wanted to kill innocnet animals are your example, David killed them, that should tell you not to kill innocent animals..

It is obvious that you don't believe that All Scripture is God-breathed

I believe All Scripture is God-breathed.. If it is not God-breathed is not Scripture. For example, any Scripture that says God is imperfect, or that He changed is mind cannot be Scripture, because it denies Him, and contradicts Scripture.

Which is your own personal opinion

Right, it is the only opinion and interpretation that has been presented so far, all you have presented is dogma, and worship of a created book on earth, which is idolatry. You have not presented any interpretation for any of the contradictions, you have only blinded yourself and went with the dogma, even tho I've presented multiple contradictions, none have been explained nor interpreted. So, even if i wanted to believe you guys, you have offered absolutly no explaination nor interpretation, other that I'm wrong and church dogma is right, because you seem to worship a created book on earth over the Perfect Creator of all books..

You said the Christ sacrifice wasn't a blood sacrifice

Psalm 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

The Bible says the blood of Christ was shed on the cross.

-His Blood is Spirit and Life. That is Scipture.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[DanielL]

It's that killing animals is not categorically unlawful.

-This is just your opinion, where is the Scripture? -You need to address the Breath of Life, that is Present in the animals.

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

-Also the innocent blood.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

In other words, you affirm parts of Scripture that you think support your theory and you dismiss out of hand other parts of Scripture because they rebut your theory.

My "theory" is that God is Perfect, and Scripture doesn't contradict. And you failed to explain the an eye for an eye difference from deuteronomy to Jesus..

 

[Albion]

-It has always been what I've been posting.. This is just your desperate attempt to discredit my person, since you can't speak against Scripture you have to attack me..

Having accused a number of us of being people who serve a false "idol," you are in no position to play the victim when it comes to name-calling now that your theory has fallen apart.

-This is just your opinion, where is the Scripture?

You've been given relevant Scriptures many times here and by different posters. In response, you've taken the attitude that you don't consider them to be Scripture or else you've chosen to ignore them altogether.

it is clear whom you serve.

Right, it is the only opinion and interpretation that has been presented so far, all you have presented is dogma, and worship of a created book on earth, which is idolatry.

So, even if i wanted to believe you guys, you have offered absolutly no explaination nor interpretation, other that I'm wrong and church dogma is right, because you seem to worship a created book on earth over the Perfect Creator of all books..

What you're saying here is that you do believe "Scripture" (although you've just called the Bible a "created book on earth" that isn't of God), but you choose which parts of that Scripture you want to consider to BE Scripture.

Doing so is not believing in Holy Scripture UNLESS you want to say you've created a religion for yourself that has its own Scriptures and is separate from Christianity.

 

[Lanman87]

I believe All Scripture is God-breathed.. If it is not God-breathed is not Scripture. For example, any Scripture that says God is imperfect, or that He changed is mind cannot be Scripture, because it denies Him, and contradicts Scripture.

No scripture says that God is imperfect. I"m going to try this one more time then I'm out of this conversation.

You are confusing God's actions and decisions with His Character and Person. God's Character and Person is Love, Holiness and Justice (among other things). When the Scripture says that God cannot change, it is talking about His Person and Character. Everything God has done and will do will be a refection of His perfect Person and Character.

God is the ruler of the universe and has chosen specific people to carry out His will and plan for mankind. His will and Plan are perfect and like any King His decisions and instructions are based on what is best for His people and work together to bring about His perfect will.

What you see as "Changing His mind" is God making a decision that is best for His people and that will take another step in His perfect plan for mankind.

It was God's perfect plan and will for mankind to be vegetarians in the Garden, to make skins for Adam and Eve after the fall, and to tell Noah "Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything." Gen 9:3

God, in His perfect wisdom and loving nature, was doing what is best for Noah (and mankind). To have done otherwise would have violated His perfect wisdom and loving nature. If he would have denied mankind the food they needed to survive and thrive then He would have been an imperfect King and an imperfect heavenly Father, because He would have made the wrong decision for His people by denying them what they need.

What you are claiming says God is imperfect actually shows how perfect He is. His is the perfect King, who has a perfect plan, and brings about His plan perfectly, by making the perfect pronouncements and perfect decisions at the perfect time. If it is best for God to say one thing to one specific people at one specific time and something else to another group of people at another time then we can trust that both things are perfect. Because God is perfect and makes perfect decisions based on what is best for His people and to carry out His will.

In denying all the Written Scriptures and all the recorded instructions/interactions God has for His People, then you are denying the perfect Nature, Wisdom, Love, Mercy, Will, Grace, and Justice of God.

You are doing the very thing you accuse us of doing. Making God out to be imperfect.

 

[DanielL]

Having accused a number of us of being people who serve a false "idol,"

I had to tell you, the moment you imply God changed His Mind, you adopt an imperfect idol. Because the True God of Israel is Perfect, and changes not. So, the only thing that can change is your imperfect idol.

you've taken the attitude that you don't consider them to be Scripture

They can't be Scripture because Scripture cannot deny Him nor contradict. Once again your imperfect idol kicking in, and allowing for contradiction and change within Scripture.

God said herbs and fruits are food, and that can't change, because God is Perfect, His Word endureth forever, nothing can be put to it. This is all Scripture, there is no denying. What you have done is you adopted an imperfect idol to allow for change from herbs and fruits to flesh. But that change cannot be from the True Perfect God that changes not, the verses that say He changed His Mind cannot be Scripture, because Scripture cannot deny Him of Perfection. Only your imperfect idol..

 

[DanielL]

scripture says that God is imperfect

We have an open idolater, they confess their sin, they hide it not, like Sodom. Anyways, you are free to serve an imperfect idol if that is what you really want. This is what you people believe, in an imperfect "god". How can god be imperfect? If he is imperfect then he is no God, it is an imperfect idol. It goes to show how deep you really have to go, in order to eat the body of death..

Everything God has done and will do will be a refection of His perfect Person and Character.

Yes, His Laws depend on His Perfect Immutable Character. Meaning the Laws are also Immutable, because God's Character is Perfect and changes not. And you flip flopped from your imperfect idol to now trying to defend Perfection in God, I really don't understand it..

food they needed to survive

Flesh is not necessary for survival, that is just your own understanding. Scripture however teaches herbs and fruits are healthier, and we not only survive on them but look "better and fatter", than all those who eat flesh. Daniel 1:15

 

[Lanman87]

We have an open idolater, they confess their sin, they hide it not, like Sodom. Anyways, you are free to serve an imperfect idol if that is what you really want. This is what you people believe, in an imperfect "god". How can god be imperfect? If he is imperfect then he is no God, it is an imperfect idol. It goes to show how deep you really have to go, in order to eat the body of death..

You misquoted me

I said "NO scriptures says God is imperfect". Is that the only way you can respond. To be misleading?

 

[Albion]

I had to tell you, the moment you imply God changed His Mind, you adopt an imperfect idol. Because the True God of Israel is Perfect, and changes not. So, the only thing that can change is your imperfect idol.

I never implied that God changed his mind. It was quite the opposite.

And bearing false witness against the other people on this forum is a violation of one of the Ten Commandments, in case you thought the rest of us wouldn't notice.

On the other hand, I don't know if that is one of the parts of the Bible that you deign to recognize or if it is just one of the parts that you don't consider to be Scripture. I guess it has to be the latter, since you've already posted your opinion that the whole Bible is merely something from Earth and not, therefore, from God.

 

[DanielL]

Ok, then since you agree God is Perfect you would agree He didn't change His Mind, nor His Word nor His Law regarding food. It is still herbs and fruits. What seems to be the problem?

 

[DanielL]

Also, you guys didn't even attempt to explain the contradictions or the differences. Not any of them. If you can, then you need to explain the change from herbs to every thing that moves, and the differences in judgement, from no pity and an eye for an eye, to turning the other cheek.

 

[Lamb]

Also, you guys didn't even attempt to explain the contradictions or the differences. Not any of them. If you can, then you need to explain the change from herbs to every thing that moves, and the differences in judgement, from no pity and an eye for an eye, to turning the other cheek.

The contradictions aren't even contradictions but poor reasoning on your part. We've explained things to you over these past 12 threads but you aren't listening. It's why you refuse to listen to ALL of God's Word because you don't accept it as being scripture. That's YOUR problem.

 

[DanielL]

The contradictions aren't even contradictions but poor reasoning on your part

This is just your own understanding, you failed yet again to provide any explaination for the contradictions, differences and changes I have presented you with. I even provided the eye for an eye contradiction just for you. You seem to be indulged in book worship dogma. You have to snap out of it, it is right in front of you..

 

[Lamb]

This is just your own understanding, you failed yet again to provide any explaination for the contradictions, differences and changes I have presented you with. I even provided the eye for an eye contradiction just for you. You seem to be indulged in book worship dogma. You have to snap out of it, it is right in front of you..

Well, I seriously doubt it's my end that's the problem since I believe the Holy Bible is God's Word and you only pick through to the parts you want to believe.

 

[Albion]

This is just your own understanding, you failed yet again to provide any explaination for the contradictions, differences and changes I have presented you with.

Excuse me, but neither have you presented any credible explanation for the seeming contradictions.

Yet you have devised some strange explanations of your own and seem to think that because you have an answer of some sort, any sort, even if it doesn't make sense, that you have the high ground over other people who approach the matter more prudently.

 

[DanielL]

I believe the Holy Bible is God's Word

Right and when I present you with a contradiction that proves not the whole bible is God's Word, you can't explain it. It doesn't fit in your dogma, you can't deal with it, not even attempt to respond. As if you were God, you don't need to prove or explain things, I'm just supposed to believe you because you say so. How selfish is that?

neither have you presented any credible explanation for the seeming contradictions

I have, but i'll tell you again. Choose whom will ye serve. Either the LORD that will have mercy and turns the other cheek, or the bloodthirsty who has no pity and demmands bloodshed, and an eye for an eye. You can't serve both masters.

-To explain more mechanically: There are two masters in the Bible, There is the Word of God, and there are those who corrupted His Word, which He permitted for the hardness of your hearts, and that it might be made manifest whose sheep are His, because His sheep know His voice, and they follow Him, and a stranger will they not follow, because they know not the voice of strangers.

 

[Albion]

I have, but i'll tell you again. Choose whom will ye serve. Either the LORD that will have mercy and turns the other cheek, or the bloodthirsty who has no pity and demmands bloodshed, and an eye for an eye. You can't serve both masters.

...which doesn't in any way resolve any uncertainty over apparent contradictions in the Bible.

 

[DanielL]

...which doesn't in any way resolve any uncertainty over apparent contradictions in the Bible.

I'm sorry if you don't understand there beeing two masters, and you having to choose whom will ye serve. The flaw is on your part and on your own understanding.

 

[Albion]

I'm sorry if you don't understand there beeing two masters, and you having to choose whom will ye serve. The flaw is on your part and on your own understanding.

'Two masters' does not in any way resolve any uncertainty over apparent contradictions in the Bible. It doesn't even deal with the issue.

 

[DanielL]

uncertainty over apparent contradictions in the Bible

well I'm certain there is a contradiction in the Bible, and I have given my explaination. Now, what explaination do you give for "uncertainty"? Can you explain how it was an eye for an eye and then Jesus rebuked that?