Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[Lamb]

Scripture doesn't contradict itself, so anything that does, is therefore not Scripture.

-Scripture is clear the LORD doesn't desire nor require blood sacrifices. Anything that says He does, is not Scripture, because Scripture cannot contradict. This is why you must choose whom will ye serve, either the LORD that desires mercy, or the bloodthirsty who demands bloodshed. You can't serve both masters.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Are you insisting that scripture does not state that Jesus ate fish even though it does say so? Are you saying that it's NOT scripture because you don't agree with it?

 

[Lanman87]

The Sacrifice of Christ is not a blood sacrifice, on this the carnally minded greatly err.

Do you believe that Christ was born of a virgin and lived a sinless life?

Do you believe that Christ is fully God and fully Man?

Do you believe that Christ was beaten, crucified on the Cross, died and rose again?

Do you believe that salvation (forgiveness and adoption into the "people of God") comes by faith in Christ apart from the law (Mosaic or natural)?

Do you believe that All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness?

 

[Albion]

Scripture doesn't contradict itself, so anything that does, is therefore not Scripture.

That's the wrong conclusion to be drawn from the realization that Scripture doesn't contradict itself.

In truth, the conclusion is that what had been thought to be a contradiction was merely the reader's misreading or misunderstanding of Scripture.

-Scripture is clear the LORD doesn't desire nor require blood sacrifices.

If it hasn't been discussed enough already, that could be taken up for debate, but what you had been arguing earlier was that the killing of an animal for any reason was prohibited by God.

Now that such a notion has been dispensed with, I agree that you could instead turn to what you wrote here.

 

[DanielL]

Are you insisting that scripture does not state that Jesus ate fish even though it does say so?

Are you insisting that Scripture contradicts Itself? Or that Jesus sinned, and worked against the will of the Perfect Father?

The Perfect God said herbs and fruits are food, and that means they are food forever, because He is Perfect and cannot change. Nothing can be added unto His Word.

 

[Lamb]

Are you insisting that Scripture contradicts Itself? Or that Jesus sinned, and worked against the will of the Perfect Father?

The Perfect God said herbs and fruits are food, and that means they are food forever, because He is Perfect and cannot change. Nothing can be added unto His Word.

I'm insisting that scripture says Jesus ate a fish.

You deny that, so you either deny scripture or deny that some of what's included in the bible is scripture.

So which is it?????

 

[DanielL]

Do you believe that

Yes to all.. You are now focusing on my person, since you can't rebuke my doctrine..

what you had been arguing earlier was that the killing of an animal for any reason was prohibited by God.

I never said that. Shedding innocent blood is an abomination. The word innocent was always there. And the animals of the blood sacrifices are all innocent. They are no threat to anybody. And all animals were created innocent, and they are innocent until proven guilty.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-The only trouble you might have understanding simple verses as these are the ones created by your own sin, because their works were evil, so they don't come to the light, lest their deed should be exposed. Once you repent, it is all plain an simple..

Proverbs 8:8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.

9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

-So, your lack of understanding is really just you refuting yourself. All the words are plain to him that understandeth. So, if you fail to understand the flaw is on your side.

 

[DanielL]

I'm insisting that scripture says Jesus ate a fish.

You insist Jesus sinned then. You have failed to understand The LORD is Perfect and therefore, changes NOT. So, you are left with either an imperfect idol that changed his imperfect mind on food, or a false christ that worked against the will of the Perfect Father.

-Im saying that can't be Scripture, because Scripture cannot deny Him nor lie.

 

[Albion]

I never said that.

I believe you did. To the question of the thread ("Is it lawful to kill animals?") you wrote this in the Original Post--

The simple answer is no, it isn't.

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

-But some may add unto the word, saying "thou shalt not kill humans, and humans only", when that is not what is written.i A kill is killing anything that has the Breath of Life in it**, given by the Father, and animals do have this Breath of Life, the living soul of the Father.

**font and color are mine for the purposes of emphasis. The words are a direct quote from you.

 

[Lamb]

You insist Jesus sinned then. You have failed to understand The LORD is Perfect and therefore, changes NOT. So, you are left with either an imperfect idol that changed his imperfect mind on food, or a false christ that worked against the will of the Perfect Father.

-Im saying that can't be Scripture, because Scripture cannot deny Him nor lie.

So you deny that Luke 24 is true scripture. How about you tell us all the other parts of the BIBLE you don't believe?

 

[DanielL]

Is it lawful to kill animals?

Well, the simple answer is indeed, no it isn't. But it can be if you are defending yourself. The point is the animals you eat are not a threat.

How about you tell us all the other parts of the BIBLE you don't believe?

Any verse that denies Him in any way shape or form, because Scripture cannot deny Him. And because the Witness of God is Greater, I'm better off denying a book, than denying God of His Perfect Nature.

-Another important verse that cannot be Scripture is Romans 4:5. Because it denies Him of His Perfect Justice, and Judgement. And it also contradicts these:

Exodus 23:7 [...] I will not justify the wicked.

Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.

Proverbs 24:24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou are righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:

-There is a big list..

Jeremiah 8:8 “How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.

 

[Lamb]

Well, the simple answer is indeed, no it isn't. But it can be if you are defending yourself. The point is the animals you eat are not a threat.

Any verse that denies Him in any way shape or form, because Scripture cannot deny Him. And because the Witness of God is Greater, I'm better off denying a book, than denying God of His Perfect Nature.

-Another important verse that cannot be Scripture is Romans 4:5. Because it denies Him of His Perfect Justice, and Judgement. And it also contradicts these:

Exodus 23:7 [...] I will not justify the wicked.

Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.

Proverbs 24:24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou are righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:

-There is a big list..

Jeremiah 8:8 “How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.

Name the verses then within the Holy Bible you say is not scripture.

 

[Albion]

Albion said:
Is it lawful to kill animals?

No, that is the title of your thread here. I quoted your question and also your answer when giving my reply.

DanielL said:
Well, the simple answer is indeed, no it isn't. But it can be if you are defending yourself. The point is the animals you eat are not a threat.

That isn't what your position has been through most of this thread, however.

 

[Josiah]

Are you insisting that scripture does not state that Jesus ate fish even though it does say so? Are you saying that it's NOT scripture because you don't agree with it?

This is the problem....

Our friend has made very specific claims that are DIRECTLY, VERBATIM, in "black-and-white" contradicted by Scripture. And he just doesn't care.

Curious he suggests he cares about Scripture but it is absolutely obvious, undeniable, he could care less what it says, he doesn't give a rip.

This is sometimes the problem at Christian websites. When posters come claiming to accept the authority of Scripture when they do not - then we get nowhere.


Many of us have been a part of communities like this for a long time, for me since I was about 10 years old. It's common to get a poster with a wild view - all encompassing - and obviously have never found anyone who swallows it. So they just keep going - site after site, trying and trying - just turning people off. EVENTUALLY, either they get banned or just realize they aren't getting anywhere. And they move on to other victims. WE'VE ALL SEEN THIS... MANY TIMES.

For those who believe truth matters, it's sad. Here at CH, we CARE about each other and WANT to help each other.... we will listen much longer than elsewhere. But it's sad. Some are just unaccountable, incapable to being wrong or corrected. They don't bother with what others say cuz no one can be right but they themselves. Sad.

Sometimes, you just can't do anything about it.


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[Lamb]

This is the problem....

Our friend has made very specific claims that are DIRECTLY, VERBATIM, in "black-and-white" contradicted by Scripture. And he just doesn't care.

Curious he suggests he cares about Scripture but it is absolutely obvious, undeniable, he could care less what it says, he doesn't give a rip.

This is sometimes the problem at Christian websites. When posters come claiming to accept the authority of Scripture when they do not - then we get nowhere.


Many of us have been a part of communities like this for a long time, for me since I was about 10 years old. It's common to get a poster with a wild view - all encompassing - and obviously have never found anyone who swallows it. So they just keep going - site after site, trying and trying - just turning people off. EVENTUALLY, either they get banned or just realize they aren't getting anywhere. And they move on to other victims. WE'VE ALL SEEN THIS... MANY TIMES.

For those who believe truth matters, it's sad. Here at CH, we CARE about each other and WANT to help each other.... we will listen much longer than elsewhere. But it's sad. Some are just unaccountable, incapable to being wrong or corrected. They don't bother with what others say cuz no one can be right but they themselves. Sad.

Sometimes, you just can't do anything about it.


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Well, he claims that the scripture we post isn't scripture...so I'd love to know what other parts aren't scripture in his mind. I even wonder how many other Christians agree with him or if he stands alone? I mean, he's been banned from other Christian forums I've noticed so it's possible that this isn't the only thing with God's Word that he disagrees with.

 

[DanielL]

Name the verses then within the Holy Bible you say is not scripture.

I named the most important ones, It's a long list my friend.. I'll give one more example, Jesus Himself proving some of our verses are not Scripture..

-We have heard of an eye for an eye..

Deuteronomy 19:21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

-But Jesus rebuked this "scripture", proving it was never Scripture, because Jesus would not disagree with Scripture..

Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

-Now, you have to choose whom will ye serve, the LORD who has mercy and turns the other cheek, or the one that shows no pity, but repays an eye for an eye. You can't serve both.

 

[DanielL]

That isn't what your position has been through most of this thread, however.

Yes, it has. You can't shed innocent blood, that has always been the verse. When they presented me with the bear and lion, I told them the bear and lion were guilty, and in righteousness David killed them. The problem is when innocent blood is shed. This has always been what I've been saying. The animals you eat are not a threat. And even if they were, you still can't eat them, because it is against the Will of the Perfect God. That is why some of you adopt imperfect idols..

contradicted by Scripture

Scripture cannot contradict Scripture. All your verses that contradict Scripture, cannot be Scripture, because Scripture cannot contradict Scripture.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

-You need to understand the LORD is Perfect and start from there. As long as you believe in an imperfect idol you will be building on top of sand, error on top of error.

 

[Lamb]

Scripture cannot contradict Scripture. All your verses that contradict Scripture, cannot be Scripture, because Scripture cannot contradict Scripture.

All this means is that YOU are the one who misinterprets scripture because you THINK there is a contradiction. When there isn't. Let God be God and stop putting your own feelings into this. Open your eyes to what God's Word truly says.

 

[Albion]

Yes, it has. You can't shed innocent blood, that has always been the verse. When they presented me with the bear and lion, I told them the bear and lion were guilty, and in righteousness David killed them.

Nope. You may have included the word "innocent" in some of your posts and used an example of lions or bears that were "guilty" (which is nonsense)...but you also fielded questions and comments by taking the position that all killing is prohibited or that it depends on the situation of the killer.

In any case, the plain fact is that your contention has changed so much back and forth during the course of the discussion that it's impossible to rescue the thread at this point except to say that the question we began with ("Is it lawful to kill animals?") has to be answered in the affirmative.

 

[Lanman87]

Yes to all.. You are now focusing on my person, since you can't rebuke my doctrine..

The Bible rebukes your doctrine. It is obvious that you don't believe that All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness? If the scripture says something you don't believe in or you perceive to be a contradiction then you simply say "it isn't scripture". Which is your own personal opinion and not the teaching of either Judaism or Christianity.

You said the Christ sacrifice wasn't a blood sacrifice but you also say that you believe He was crucified and died and rose again.

The Bible says the blood of Christ was shed on the cross. And the Christ was an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

The bottom line is you are changing the Word instead of letting the Word change you.

 

[DanielL]

YOU are the one who misinterprets scripture

And what is the interpretation? You have only accused, that proves nothing.

You would have to twist a lot in order to make sense of it, you won't be able. One requires an eye for an eye, and Jesus rebukes that and says to turn the other cheek, they are different judgements at the very least, they can't both be from a Perfect God. I have shown the Scripture already, the LORD changes not, His Word endureth forever.. Jesus didn't spoke against the Word of God.. He spoke against those who have corrupted His Word, which He permitted for the hardness of your hearts. Jesus corrected it anyways, we turn the other cheek, we don't repay an eye for an eye, that was never Scripture..