Can We Discuss Why This World Has To End.

[Spindle4]

I expect there are a variety of reasons.

 

[Lamb]

Well, the world needed to end once sin entered the picture, don't you think?

 

[Spindle4]

Well, the world needed to end once sin entered the picture, don't you think?

Well yes, and hope of deliverance from this corrupted Creation is one of the Gospel messages.

Rom 8:20-24 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; (21) because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. (22) For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. (23) Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. (24) For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees?

Meanwhile, with the wickedness of unregenerate humanity continuing alongside the righteousness of the redeemed, the thought occurs that since it has been this way since the Fall in Eden why can't God allow it to continue forever?

 

[Josiah]

Geology and astrophysics says the Earth will become unlivable over the next 100-200 million years; while it's POSSIBLE some life will evolve to survive somewhere on the planet, it will be hard with temps perhaps approaching 1500 degrees F, much hotter than today's Venus. And the entire planet will likely be destroyed by the sun in perhaps 4 billion years. So, if you choose to accept that, then life will come to an end... as will the planet itself... but both too far in the future to impact our lives.

IMO, if we are in heaven we probably won't be too concerned with what happens to the planet we left. I suspect this "destroy" will happen after the Judgement and so there won't be anyone left on Earth then anyway (but it might be bad to be a cockroach). If God destroys the planet before science theorizes, He probably has a good reason although I don't claim to fully know that reason.



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[Albion]

I agree. This Earth, with all the physical functions and developments that are part of the material universe, will never become perfect while operating according to those laws. Therefore, if God indeed wants the reunification and perfection of all creation, it cannot be with this planet staying "put." Even if God wanted or intended to remake Earth for eternity, that would not equal reunification with Him in the spirit world.

 

[Lees]

I expect there are a variety of reasons.

Answer first...why did this world have to begin? Probably a variety of reasons there also.

Answer the first and you might find your answer to the second.

Lees

 

[atpollard]

I expect there are a variety of reasons.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics (for one reason).

“The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of an isolated system (the thermal energy per unit temperature that is unavailable for doing useful work) can never decrease.”
… so heat will continue to flow from higher to lower energy until the “energy death” of the universe.

 

[Lees]

The Second Law of Thermodynamics (for one reason).

“The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of an isolated system (the thermal energy per unit temperature that is unavailable for doing useful work) can never decrease.”
… so heat will continue to flow from higher to lower energy until the “energy death” of the universe.

How interesting? You run to the worlds science instead of Scripture. The law of thermodynamics. That's deep.

Sorry, but the worlds explanation, and yours, doesn't reach to God and the Christian.

Lees

 

[Spindle4]

How interesting? You run to the worlds science instead of Scripture. The law of thermodynamics. That's deep.

Sorry, but the worlds explanation, and yours, doesn't reach to God and the Christian.

Lees

Sometimes things in the "spiritual" harmonise with things in the "natural". Sublime Synchronicity one author calls it.

 

[Spindle4]

Answer first...why did this world have to begin? Probably a variety of reasons there also.

Answer the first and you might find your answer to the second.

Lees

And the meaning of life is . . .

 

[Fritz Kobus]

This world began as a place where God put the man and woman he created. I don't believe it would ever have had to end had sin never entered the world, but since sin did enter the world, apparently God does not want to leave it going on forever. The Bible says that God will end the world once all his elect are gathered in. When that might be is anybody's guess.

 

[Lees]

Geology, astrophysics, and the second law of thermodynamics, or science plays no role in answering the 'why' question. All they can do is investigate the physical, and with incomplete knowledge offer some assumptions on what is. They are void of any ability to answer 'why', though they like to.

Science doesn't know how the earth came into existance, though it likes to speak as an authority on the subject. It has no idea as to when the earth came into existance. But, millions and millions of years are needed for it's theory of evolution, so it must have been millions of years ago. Science will always find answers to support it's theories and assumptions. It's faith.

I enjoy watching the PBS show 'earthrise' which comes on now and then. It shows the astronauts of various space missions and their quest to land on the moon. And, many of these astronauts are not Christian, but of course some are. But all are struck with the emptiness, and loneliness of space with all it's lifeless planets. And when they view the earth from space with it's colors, it stands alone as a blue dot on a canvas of black desolation.

Science can observe this creation, but cannot reach the answers of the why of it. I remember the quote from Carl Sagen, a well known scientist, taken I believe in the 70's. I don't have it at hand but I remember the gist of it. Someone had asked him if he believed it were possible that life could be found in outer space somewhere like it is found on earth?

Sagen was no Christian. But he was an honest scientist in answering this question. He said, no. Why? Because he knew the many, many, exact things that must occur and then maintain for another earth to support life. Because he knew the many many things that must have occured to an exact measure for the earth and life to exist as it does. And these were so astounding to him, that he could not imagine it ever occuring again.

Sort of sad. Sagen's scientific knowledge brought him to the very threshold of faith in God, but it could not bring him in. I wonder if he ever thought about his answer of 'no'. For, if one believes it could never happen again, then one must believe it never could have just happened in the first place. An impossibility.

Only God has the answers of 'why' concerning the creation. And they are only found in His written Word, the Bible.

Lees

 

[Lees]

And the meaning of life is . . .

God is creating an eternal family of His.

Lees

 

[Lanman87]

The world as we know it has to end in order for the "New Creation" to take place. At some point in time God will make "all things new". There will be no more sin or sorrow and the world will be perfect once again.

 

[Lees]

The world as we know it has to end in order for the "New Creation" to take place. At some point in time God will make "all things new". There will be no more sin or sorrow and the world will be perfect once again.

And the world will involve a New Heaven and a New Earth. (Rev. 21:1)

In other words, there will always be Earth. God created the Earth, and it will always be. Because He wants it so.

Lees

 

[Spindle4]

Only God has the answers of 'why' concerning the creation. And they are only found in His written Word, the Bible.

Yes, true. Science as a discipline is confined to what can be observed, measured, recorded, repeated, and then predicted. This does not exclude scientists from exercising faith that they will discover various truths, but Divinity is most certainly beyond the reach of the discipline of science.

Without Divinity there would be no science.

The various disasters of the Apocalypse . . . nature running its course and God's Plan unfolding.

 

[atpollard]

How interesting? You run to the worlds science instead of Scripture. The law of thermodynamics. That's deep.

Sorry, but the worlds explanation, and yours, doesn't reach to God and the Christian.

Lees

A quick lesson in what should be self-evident.

Sir Isaac Newton DISCOVERED the Second Law of Thermodynamics, however, Newton did not CREATE the mechanisms (underlying physical laws) that govern the function of the universe. God created THERMODYNAMICS and ENTROPY … Newton merely quantified the mathematics of God’s universe (and only an approximation at that).

THEREFORE, it was GOD who created a universe with a built in countdown to increasing entropy … God’s universe was created with a built in expiration date. If you cannot see the magic of that, I am sad for you.

 

[tango]

And the meaning of life is . . .

42. I thought everybody knew that...

 

[tango]

How interesting? You run to the worlds science instead of Scripture. The law of thermodynamics. That's deep.

Sorry, but the worlds explanation, and yours, doesn't reach to God and the Christian.

Lees

Does science somehow cease to apply because someone becomes a Christian?

I have to say I haven't found any relief from the laws of gravity. That whole thing about equal and opposite reactions is also a bit of a drag too. You'd have thought that "life in all its fullness" we were promised would include freedom from the annoying laws of physics, no?

 

[Fritz Kobus]

THEREFORE, it was GOD who created a universe with a built in countdown to increasing entropy … God’s universe was created with a built in expiration date. If you cannot see the magic of that, I am sad for you.

Well, it may be that the created world did not have an expiration date. The whole entropy thing appears to have entered at the fall.