Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[DanielL]

Maybe you missed the intention of one verse? It seems more likely than needing to dump so much of the OT.

The thing is that it's not just this verse, there are many. You have to choose whom will ye serve, either the LORD that desires mercy and NOT sacrifice, or the one that apparently doesn't desire anything else other than murder, sacrifice and shedding of innocent blood. Since God cannot contradict Himself, these must be the two different masters Jesus spoke about. You can't serve both, that is for sure.

So, you too have to dump all the verses that say He doesn't desire sacrifice, in order to keep the ones that say He does. You choose whom will ye serve. And the voice you heaken to, either the voice of the LORD or the voice of strangers. You can't have both, one has to give.

 

[Lamb]

The thing is that it's not just this verse, there are many. You have to choose whom will ye serve, either the LORD that desires mercy and NOT sacrifice, or the one that apparently doesn't desire anything else other than murder, sacrifice and shedding of innocent blood. Since God cannot contradict Himself, these must be the two different masters Jesus spoke about. You can't serve both, that is for sure.

So, you too have to dump all the verses that say He doesn't desire sacrifice, in order to keep the ones that say He does. You choose whom will ye serve. And the voice you heaken to, either the voice of the LORD or the voice of strangers. You can't have both, one has to give.

Just because God said he didn't desire sacrifice doesn't mean that He didn't command sacrifices to happen. You're misinterpreting the verse.

Soon you'll be saying that Jesus' wasn't sacrificed on the cross?

 

[DanielL]

Just because God said he didn't desire sacrifice doesn't mean that He didn't command sacrifices to happen.

Yes it does, to a Perfect God it does. He cannot command something that it is against His Will.

Jesus' wasn't sacrificed on the cross?

-His Sacrifice wasn't a blood sacrifice, but it was a True Sacrifice of God.

Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

-It has nothing to do with carnal red blood, as the carnal mind perceives it to be.

His Blood is Life, His Words, His Teachings, His Gospel, His Commandments,

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


-It is the Spirit that quickeneth, not carnal red blood from a blood sacrifice, His Spirit, and His Soul is what saves. His knowledge, His Teachings, His Gospel, His Parables, His Commandments, His Words, etc..

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

 

[Fritz Kobus]

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]

Look at the context, these are comparisons, similes, with regard to those who after Jesus once-and-for-all-sacrifice-for-the-sins-of-the-world continue to sacrifice animals. This is not about killing animals to eat or to control disease as in killing mice and rats.

 

[tango]

The thing is that it's not just this verse, there are many. You have to choose whom will ye serve, either the LORD that desires mercy and NOT sacrifice, or the one that apparently doesn't desire anything else other than murder, sacrifice and shedding of innocent blood. Since God cannot contradict Himself, these must be the two different masters Jesus spoke about. You can't serve both, that is for sure.

So, you too have to dump all the verses that say He doesn't desire sacrifice, in order to keep the ones that say He does. You choose whom will ye serve. And the voice you heaken to, either the voice of the LORD or the voice of strangers. You can't have both, one has to give.

Who was it who told the Israelites to put the blood of a lamb on their doorposts so that their children wouldn't be slain?

Maybe they just made that bit up, or there's a hidden page somewhere that told them to go and find some road kill or something. Maybe they had some early blood transfusion equipment so they could take blood out of a lamb without killing it.

I wonder why God bothered sending fire from heaven to prove Elijah right. He must have been pretty upset at Elijah offering an animal as a burnt offering, no?

You'd almost be forgiven for thinking this silly idea you're pushing slices and dices bits of Scripture and weaves bits together like a ransom note. It's as if it's totally devoid of any merit at all.

 

[DanielL]

comparisons, similes, with regard to those who after Jesus

That is just your own understanding, you take what is written and turn it to mean the opposite, also, before Jesus or after, the LORD is still the same, shedding innocent blood is still an abomination, killing and ox is still like killing a man. The LORD doesn't change.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]

Who was it who told the Israelites to put the blood of a lamb on their doorposts so that their children wouldn't be slain?

Not the God of Israel.

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:


Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The LORD cannot add unto the Word.

That's not right.
YHWH (The LORD) added all the words in the bible. Including the words commanding animal sacrifices.

 

[DanielL]

YHWH (The LORD) added all the words in the bible. Including the words commanding animal sacrifices.

The LORD cannot sin.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

-Nor can He command sin, abomination that is against His Will.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,


Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

 

[Lees]

-The simple answer is no, it isn't.

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

-But some may add unto the word, saying "thou shalt not kill humans, and humans only", when that is not what is written. A kill is killing anything that has the Breath of Life in it, given by the Father, and animals do have this Breath of Life, the living soul of the Father.

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?


Genesis 7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

-So, because animals have this Breath of Life, it is unlawful to kill them, it is a sin against God and His Breath, and against His Will, for how can you take away that which God has given, and how can you kill that which God made alive?

-Also, animals were created innocent, and were seen as "very good" by the Father. And the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, so all sons are born innocent.
-Animals are capable of sin, evident by the sin of the snake, which was a "beast of the field that the LORD God had made", and she was punished accordingly, proving it was a sin for her to lie, because God punished her.

So, animals are created innocent, and are to be presumed innocent until they sin. Meaning they have innocent blood.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

It has been pointed out to you that God required the killing of the sacrifical animals. Just read the whole book of (Leviticus).

God required the killing of man for murder. (Gen. 9:5) That is the 'death penalty'.

God required the killing of every beast who killed man. (Gen. 9:5) That is the death penalty.

If a man was guilty of adultry he was sentenced to be killed. (Lev. 20:10)

Point being: God has no problem killing anyone or any beast.

God killed millions in the flood of Noah. Men, women, children. And He killed millions of beasts.

God will kill millions more in a future date. Just read the entire book of (Revelation).

You have a gross misconception of God. But...you are not alone.

Lees

 

[DanielL]

God required the killing of the sacrifical animals.

He didn't a Perfect God cannot require sin, and abomination that is against His Will.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

God required the killing of man for murder.

No, God doesn't require sin, that is why He didn't kill Cain for murder. Quite the contrary.. God didn't want anyone to kill Cain..

Genesis 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

-Thou shalt not kill, you can't heal sin with sin.

If a man was guilty of adultry he was sentenced to be killed.

No, Jesus didn't kill the woman caught in adultery. And because Jesus fulfil the whole Law, that means killing her is not the Law. Jesus forgave her. And He made it so that no one would kill her. And because they all have sinned, they would end up all dead if they were to stone sinners to death..

God has no problem killing anyone or any beast.

No, the righteous He cannot kill. Shedding innocent blood is an abominations unto Him, He is Holy so He will never condemn the guiltless.

Genesis 18:26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

God killed millions in the flood of Noah.

They were all corrupt.

Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

 

[Lees]

He didn't a Perfect God cannot require sin, and abomination that is against His Will.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

No, God doesn't require sin, that is why He didn't kill Cain for murder. Quite the contrary.. God didn't want anyone to kill Cain..

Genesis 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

-Thou shalt not kill, you can't heal sin with sin.

No, Jesus didn't kill the woman caught in adultery. And because Jesus fulfil the whole Law, that means killing her is not the Law. Jesus forgave her. And He made it so that no one would kill her. And because they all have sinned, they would end up all dead if they were to stone sinners to death..

No, the righteous He cannot kill. Shedding innocent blood is an abominations unto Him, He is Holy so He will never condemn the guiltless.

Genesis 18:26 And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

They were all corrupt.

Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

I didn't say God required sin. He required the sin offerings. (Leve. 1:1) "And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him" (Lev. 1:5) "And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD" Read the book of (Leviticus).

But God didn't spare Sodom and Gomorrah. (Genesis 19:25) He killed them all.

It doesn't matter that all those who died in the flood were corrupt. My point is God killed them all.

You can pretend all you want, which is what you do, but it doesn't change Scripture and it doesn't change God.

Lees

 

[DanielL]

I didn't say God required sin. He required the sin offerings. (Leve. 1:1) "And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him" (Lev. 1:5) "And he shall kill the bullock before the LORD" Read the book of (Leviticus).

Sin offerings are sin, Thou shalt not kill. God cannot require sin.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

-Also, it is against His Will, God cannot require something that is against His Will.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

-And God cannot require abominations.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-That is why He never commanded sacrifices, nor murder, nor burnt offerings..

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

-You choose whom will ye serve, either the LORD that desires mercy, or the bloodthirty murder that demans blood sacrifice, you can't serve both masters.

 

[DanielL]

But God didn't spare Sodom and Gomorrah. (Genesis 19:25) He killed them all.

It doesn't matter that all those who died in the flood were corrupt. My point is God killed them all.

It does matter they are corrupt, because that is the only ones God can kill, the wicked. The righteous He cannot kill.

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.

Exodus 23:7 Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.

 

[Lanman87]

In my opinion, what we have here is someone reading their preconceived notions of right and wrong into their idea of God. They are making God be who they want him to be. Which is a God who considers the killing of animals a sin. This person ignores both Scripture and History to make God fit his/her definition of God.

Although he/she is right about one thing. In the garden Adam and Eve were vegetarians. The first recorded act of killing an animal is due to the fall of mankind into sin. God made clothing of skin for Adam and Eve in Gen 3:21

The next time we see an animal killed is in Gen 4:4 when Able brought for the firstborn of his flock and from their fat portions to God as an offering. God was pleased with Abel's sacrifice of an animal.

Finally, after the flood God gives all the animals to mankind for food. Later, when God gave the law he differentiated between "clean and unclean".

Genesis 9:2-3 The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every animal of the earth and on every bird of the sky; on everything that crawls on the ground, and on all the fish of the sea. They are handed over to you. 3 Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I have given everything to you, as I gave the green plant.

So killing an animal is not a sin. God gave us the animals for food.

 

[Josiah]

"Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness." Hebrews 9:22 If it is forbidden and sinful to shed blood, then forgiveness is impossible. I agree that the "great and final sacrifice" is Jesus but yes, there was shedding of blood, it was NOT a "bloodless" sacrifice as claimed here.


God undeniably COMMANDED the killing of animals at the Passover. This, to me, settles the matter: if it is sinful and forbidden to kill animals, then God commanded us to sin and do what He had forbidden, and that makes no sense. And Jesus Himself ate the Passover and that included lamb (and that time) so He ate meat and the Bible specifically says Jesus never sinned. And Jesus ate fish the evening of Easter. So, insisting that eating meat is sinful is accusing God of commanding us to sin and accusing Jesus of sinning.




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[DanielL]

In my opinion

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

In the garden Adam and Eve were vegetarians.

That means, herbs and fruits shall be food for ever, because His Word endureth for ever, nothing can be added unto the Word.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Psalm 119:89 For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.

Mathew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Baruch 4:1 This is the book of the commandments of God, and the law that endureth for ever: all they that keep it shall come to life; but such as leave it shall die.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:152 Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.

160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Ecclesiastes 3:14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

God was pleased with Abel's sacrifice of an animal.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-The LORD cannot be pleased by something He hates. If He was pleased with Abel's sacrifice it means Abel didn't blood sacrificed an animal.

God gave us the animals for food.

God cannot change His Word, so whatever you think happend after the flood, I can assure you, that according to Scripture, it wasn't God changing His Mind on the Word He had given to Adam.. It is impossible for a Perfect God to change His Word, or to add unto it.

Ecclesiastes 3:14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

 

[DanielL]

Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness." Hebrews 9:22

King David proves you wrong. He was forgiven because he confessed, and without shedding any innocent blood.

2 Samuel 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

-David was forgiven immediately after his confession. There was no shedding of innocent blood whatsoever at all.

Psalm 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

-He even ended up rebuking sacrifices himself, later on. They are against the Will of God.

Psalm 51:2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.

3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.

16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.

17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Jesus but yes, there was shedding of blood, it was NOT a "bloodless" sacrifice as claimed here.

Now, that I have shown carnal red blood is not required for attonement, let me show you what is the Blood of Jesus.

His Blood is Life, His Words, His Teachings, His Gospel, His Commandments,

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

-It is the Spirit that quickeneth, not carnal red blood from a blood sacrifice, His Spirit, and His Soul is what saves. His knowledge, His Teachings, His Gospel, His Parables, His Commandments, His Words, etc..

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

-It has nothing to do with carnal red blood as the carnal mind perceives it to be.

God undeniably COMMANDED the killing of animals at the Passover.

God cannot command sin, nor abominations, nor that which is against His Will. So, He undeniably didn't.

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

 

[Josiah]

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The Commandment "Thou shalt not kill" (KJV) can be misunderstood because in English, "kill" has a wide meaning. Of course, God didn't inspire the KJV English but the original Hebrew.

The Hebrew verb here is "Tirtach." It means to intentionally kill an innocent, defenseless HUMAN BEING. It's never used of animals. The Hebrew word for just generally ending any life is "harag." Some here seem ignorant of this, simply unaware of what word appears in the Commandment and what it means. Their spin requires deleting the word God used and replacing it with one He did not.

A Jewish rabbi explains this more here: Torah makes distinction between murder, killing - Texas Jewish Post



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[DanielL]

A Jewish rabbi

Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

The Witness of God is greater.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

 

[Josiah]

Matthew 23:8

The Hebrew verb in the Commandment is "tirtach." It means to intentionally kill an innocent, defenseless HUMAN BEING. It's never used of animals. The Hebrew word for just generally ending any life is "harag." Some here seem ignorant of this, simply unaware of what word appears in the Commandment and what it means. Others just spread lies, their falsehood requires deleting the word God used and replacing it with one He did not. Some know they are doing this and they don't care.



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