I believe Noah’s flood was 5,000 years ago, not 4,400.

[Lees]

You’re not making logical sense. How did Origen author the Septuagint when he wasn’t even born yet?

Again, there is no Septuagint. The only evidence of a Septuagint is the fraudlent 'letter of Aristeas'. It is Origen's translation of the Old Testament that is beleived to represent the Septuagint. But it, in reality, is just Origen's translation of the Old Testament.

Lees

 

[Lees]

No, you have an english interpreted translation of a hybrid composition of the Leningrad Codex mixed with some of the Latin Vulgate portions based in the Vetus Latinus versions of Alexandrian Greek and other Greek translations which were translated into Latin.

The Old Testament of my Bible is based upon the Masoretic Text. The same as the Palestinian Jews use for their Bible.

Why didn't you present your Septuagint? Couldn't find it?

Lees

 

[Andrew]

The Old Testament of my Bible is based upon the Masoretic Text. The same as the Palestinian Jews use for their Bible.

Why didn't you present your Septuagint? Couldn't find it?

Lees

You pretend as if the Masoretic Text was just copied from an older Hebrew manuscript like a copy machine.

It literally took centuries of reconstruction through many debates between many schools, each having their own unique codex, some influence from the targums, midrash, talmudic writings, Rabbanic paraphrasing, various alternative versions of proto Masoretic oral transmissions and text, creating many independent bumbling interpretations throughout many many locations to form what is known as the "received text"

It is not a witness to any complete Hebrew Text unlike the many Greek witnesses to ONE earlier Hebrew Text- a Parent Text of the Greek translations and to the many versions of differing paraphrased proto Masoretic Hebrew that formed the Masoretic.

Ask any Rabbi! the Hebrew was lost and had to be reconstructed, in fact if you knew modern Hebrew and had to read pre-masorei hebrew scripts you would spend your lifetime learning how to interpret it, it took them centuries to come up with the marking system to understand the Hebrew... the Greek translated the Hebrew into a major language, making it easier to translate further as languages grew and spread into diverse languages.

 

[NathanH83]

Again, there is no Septuagint. The only evidence of a Septuagint is the fraudlent 'letter of Aristeas'. It is Origen's translation of the Old Testament that is beleived to represent the Septuagint. But it, in reality, is just Origen's translation of the Old Testament.

Lees

You’re not making sense. Justin Martyr had the Septuagint BEFORE the time of Origen. So what was it that Justin Martyr had?

 

[Andrew]

The Old Testament of my Bible is based upon the Masoretic Text. The same as the Palestinian Jews use for their Bible.

Why didn't you present your Septuagint? Couldn't find it?

Lees

Palestinian had their own Hebrew, Babylonia had their own, Jerusalem had their own.. it took them many generations to smoosh them all into one received text as their phraseology differed from another due to the different Rabbanic schools of interpretation without the common diacretic system of marking

 

[Lees]

You pretend as if the Masoretic Text was just copied from an older Hebrew manuscript like a copy machine.

It literally took centuries of reconstruction through many debates between many schools, each having their own unique codex, some influence from the targums, midrash, talmudic writings, Rabbanic paraphrasing, various alternative versions of proto Masoretic oral transmissions and text, creating many independent bumbling interpretations throughout many many locations to form what is known as the "received text"

It is not a witness to any complete Hebrew Text unlike the many Greek witnesses to ONE earlier Hebrew Text- a Parent Text of the Greek translations and to the many versions of differing paraphrased proto Masoretic Hebrew that formed the Masoretic.

Ask any Rabbi! the Hebrew was lost and had to be reconstructed, in fact if you knew modern Hebrew and had to read pre-masorei hebrew scripts you would spend your lifetime learning how to interpret it, it took them centuries to come up with the marking system to understand the Hebrew... the Greek translated the Hebrew into a major language, making it easier to translate further as languages grew and spread into diverse languages.

Present your Septuagint.

Lees

 

[Lees]

You’re not making sense. Justin Martyr had the Septuagint BEFORE the time of Origen. So what was it that Justin Martyr had?

Justin Martyr had the Alexandrian manuscripts. He never had any Septuagint. There is no Septagint to be had.

Lees

 

[Lees]

Palestinian had their own Hebrew, Babylonia had their own, Jerusalem had their own.. it took them many generations to smoosh them all into one received text as their phraseology differed from another due to the different Rabbanic schools of interpretation without the common diacretic system of marking

What? Let me roll up my jeans as it is getting deep.

Lees

 

[Andrew]

Present your Septuagint.

Lees

I own an English/Greek Septuagint but I can't physically present it to you because the internet is not the physical world.

You enjoy your alternative reality where Jews read their sacred Holy books to Christians at story time until the 17th century when St. King James received the Word of God in archaic Old English to be printed-pressed unto the entire chosen English speaking nation of the world.

 

[Lees]

I own an English/Greek Septuagint but I can't physically present it to you because the internet is not the physical world.

You enjoy your alternative reality where Jews read their sacred Holy books to Christians at story time until the 17th century when St. King James received the Word of God in archaic Old English to be printed-pressed unto the entire chosen English speaking nation of the world.

Oh gee. Where did your 'English/Greek Septuagint' come from? Show me from where your 'Septuagint' was translated from.

Lees

 

[Andrew]

Oh gee. Where did your 'English/Greek Septuagint' come from? Show me from where your 'Septuagint' was translated from.

Lees

It was translated from the Latin

 

[Lees]

It was translated from Hebrew.

No. From what Hebrew was your, the Septuagint, translated from?

Lees

 

[NathanH83]

The Old Testament of my Bible is based upon the Masoretic Text. The same as the Palestinian Jews use for their Bible.

Why didn't you present your Septuagint? Couldn't find it?

Lees

Aside from your weird belief about the Septuagint, what about the original question?

It’s not just the Septuagint that puts the flood at 5,000 years ago. It’s also the Samaritan Bible, and also Josephus. They’re BEFORE the time of Origen.

Also there’s Theophilus, a church father from the 2nd century AD (prior to Origen) who also places the flood at 5,000 years ago. There’s also Eupolemus, a Jewish historian from about 150 BC who also agrees with the timeline that places the flood around 5,000 years ago.

 

[Andrew]

No. From what Hebrew was your, the Septuagint, translated from?

Lees

I corrected it already.

The Latin Catholic Church made it all up because the Hebrew showed how incompetent Jesus and the Apostles were at quoting Scripture.

They could have changed the Greek New Testament to fit the Hebrew but as you said before, Jesus misquoted things because He is God and can do whatever he feels like

 

[Lees]

I corrected it already.

The Latin Catholic Church made it all up because the Hebrew showed how incompetent Jesus and the Apostles were at quoting Scripture.

They could have changed the Greek New Testament to fit the Hebrew but as you said before, Jesus misquoted things because He is God and can do whatever he feels like

No you didn't. From what Hebrew was your, the Septuagint, translated from?

I never said Jesus misquoted.

Lees

 

[Andrew]

No you didn't. From what Hebrew was your, the Septuagint, translated from?

I never said Jesus misquoted.

Lees

Oh no, Jesus either quoted the Masoretic exactly as it is written in the supreme Hebrew or our Greek New Testament is corrupt.

That is by your standards, not mine.

 

[NathanH83]

Justin Martyr had the Alexandrian manuscripts. He never had any Septuagint. There is no Septagint to be had.

Lees

That doesn’t explain how Origen “authored” it.

Do you know what it means to author something?

If I say that C.S. Lewis authored “The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe” then that means that it DIDN’T EXIST before he was born.

Please explain how Origen “authored” the Alexandrian manuscripts (as you call them) prior to him being BORN!

 

[Lees]

Oh no, Jesus either quoted the Masoretic exactly as it is written in the supreme Hebrew or our Greek New Testament is corrupt.

That is by your standards, not mine.

Again, from what Hebrew was your Septuagint translated from?

That our New Testament is corrupt is by your admission. Not mine.

Lees

 

[NathanH83]

Again, from what Hebrew was your Septuagint translated from?

That our New Testament is corrupt is by your admission. Not mine.

Lees

Andrew isn’t claiming the New Testament is corrupt. He’s claiming that the New Testament proves that the Greek Septuagint is sometimes more accurate and true to the original Hebrew than today’s corrupt Hebrew Masoretic.

 

[Andrew]

Again, from what Hebrew was your Septuagint translated from?

That our New Testament is corrupt is by your admission. Not mine.

Lees

From a far more accurate original Hebrew text in which the various greek translations are authentic witnesses to, this is no opinion of my own, as anyone can easily read the same exact OT quotes in the New Testament as I can and see that the New Testament firmly attests to the truer Text being the Greek translations.