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I posted about the OT on another message board too and one poster said he’d taken a trip over there because he wanted to find out for himself if the Exodus really happened. He came home with the belief that it didn’t, with the exception of a few people escaping from time to time. can we trust that the Exodus is true? Why? Why not?
 

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You must watch "Patterns of Evidence" if you are having serious doubts
 

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I posted about the OT on another message board too and one poster said he’d taken a trip over there because he wanted to find out for himself if the Exodus really happened. He came home with the belief that it didn’t, with the exception of a few people escaping from time to time. can we trust that the Exodus is true? Why? Why not?

Did the poster in question give any explanation as to why he came up with his conclusion?

It's easy to write something that says little more than "I went there and after much thought I now conclude that (whatever)." without providing anything that would withstand scrutiny.

Unless the poster "took a trip over there" as an archaeologist or a historian it's hard to see how a trip to anywhere could shed much light on what happened there thousands of years ago.
 

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Did the poster in question give any explanation as to why he came up with his conclusion?

It's easy to write something that says little more than "I went there and after much thought I now conclude that (whatever)." without providing anything that would withstand scrutiny.

Unless the poster "took a trip over there" as an archaeologist or a historian it's hard to see how a trip to anywhere could shed much light on what happened there thousands of years ago.
Yeah, something about volcanos. He didnt say that it isn’t true, but that he can’t prove it to be true.
 

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Did the poster in question give any explanation as to why he came up with his conclusion?

It's easy to write something that says little more than "I went there and after much thought I now conclude that (whatever)." without providing anything that would withstand scrutiny.

Unless the poster "took a trip over there" as an archaeologist or a historian it's hard to see how a trip to anywhere could shed much light on what happened there thousands of years ago.
I don’t think he’s an historian or archaeologist.
 

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You'll base your belief on absence of evidence instead of God's Word?
Sorry, by nature I’m skeptical about many things regarding the Bible. I guess my faith isn’t as strong as yours. Sorry again.
 

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Is there any evidence outside of the Bible?


So, some secular comment is to be accepted above God's Word?

It seems there is no "evidence" of the Incarnation or the Resurrection of Jesus. Even the death of Jesus lacks evidence outside the Bible. Does that mean that ergo none of that is true? If some secular, atheist SAID it was true, then it would be but not if the Bible does?

It likely IS true that secular history cannot confirm the Exodus. Doesn't seem surprising to me... and in NO sense does that remotely suggest it didn't happen.



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Yeah, something about volcanos. He didnt say that it isn’t true, but that he can’t prove it to be true.

Years ago I came across a theory that the "pillar of fire by night" and "pillar of smoke by day" was the result of a volcano. In the day the smoke was visible and in the night the erupting volcano would look like a pillar of fire.

It's an interesting theory but it's still just a theory. To start from the theory and conclude, even based on the most solid evidence of no volcanic eruptions around the time of the exodus (to be clear, I have no idea whether or not volcanoes were erupting at that time), that the exodus never happened, is to put too much credence in the theory.

It's reasonable to look at a description of something in Scripture and try to figure out what it might have been. It's also reasonable to figure that what we come up with is probably little more than speculation, unless we happen to stumble on something that definitely ticks enough boxes we can confirm something. It seems to be the kind of exercise when we might come up with something concrete that provides support that a story is probably true but is unlikely to come up with anything that provides support that a story is probably false. It's the whole issue that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.


ETA: In this post you say "he didn't say it isn't true" but in your first post you said "he came home with the belief that (the exodus didn't happen)". The two are very different propositions - there's a huge difference between "I can't prove this is true" and "I believe this to be false".
 
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Sorry, by nature I’m skeptical about many things regarding the Bible. I guess my faith isn’t as strong as yours. Sorry again.

For what it's worth I don't see anything wrong with asking questions like the ones you are asking. Sometimes we have to take things on faith - there's a lot of a sense of mystery where faith is concerned - but at the same time things that are true have a tendency to leave some kind of evidence behind.

I would urge caution when dealing with assertions without anything to back them. If you're really interested in the history you'd need to dig a lot deeper than anything I've ever felt the urge to do but if you do it you'll gain an understanding of that field greater than anything I've felt the urge to achieve.

Sometimes the best you'll be able to do is come to an incomplete conclusion where you have to decide what you consider to be plausible. To give an example, last night I got together with some friends. If you come to me in six months' time and ask me to prove it the chances are I'll struggle. I can look at my calendar on my phone and see it still listed, but that doesn't prove I actually went - having plans to visit doesn't necessarily mean I actually went to visit. I may be able to look something up on my phone's GPS log but that could be spoofed. You could ask the friends we visited but they might not remember, or you could claim they were lying to cover something up. Sooner or later you'd have to make a decision whether you considered my claim to have visited, paired with one or more accounts of me visiting, to be more plausible than the counterclaim. How you balance your decision would depend on whether you were engaging in casual conversation, sitting as a juror in a criminal trial, making a decision that would affect the rest of your own life, etc.
 

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I posted about the OT on another message board too and one poster said he’d taken a trip over there because he wanted to find out for himself if the Exodus really happened. He came home with the belief that it didn’t, with the exception of a few people escaping from time to time. can we trust that the Exodus is true? Why? Why not?
There IS evidence
 

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It says that the video is unavailable.
It is actually available but the uploader doesn't want the video to play on another person's website. You have to click the text in the box "Watch on Youtube." It will take you to the YouTube page on YouTube itself where it is very much available to be watched.
 

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Wikipedia describes the current view of archaeologists. The Exodus - Wikipedia. What that particular article doesn’t show is where they think Israel actually can from. See this section for that. Israelites - Wikipedia
 

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It is actually available but the uploader doesn't want the video to play on another person's website. You have to click the text in the box "Watch on Youtube." It will take you to the YouTube page on YouTube itself where it is very much available to be watched.
I saw this when it was in the theater.
 

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I posted about the OT on another message board too and one poster said he’d taken a trip over there because he wanted to find out for himself if the Exodus really happened. He came home with the belief that it didn’t, with the exception of a few people escaping from time to time. can we trust that the Exodus is true? Why? Why not?

Yes, we can trust that the Exodus account in the Bible is true. Why? Because the Bible is the Word of God. We therefore don't believe any who would attack or question the written record of the Bible.

If one believes that the Bible is the Word of God only because it was proven to him from 'evidence', then he can be persuaded later from 'evidence' that the Bible is not the Word of God.

The same could be said of our faith in Jesus Christ.

We believe because we are believers. The children of God.

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