Blasphemy

[visionary]

Most people assume that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is like calling the Holy Spirit names and other insulting comments, but that is not it. This thread stems from the verse...

Matthew 12:31 And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

so let's take a closer look....Think of it this way, the Holy Spirit has feelings too. So just like you, the Holy Spirit can grieve.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

What grieves the Holy Spirit is the continual disobedience to His messages to your heart. Continually against the Holy Spirit's convictions upon your heart, you continue to do wrong.

As in this scriptural example where lying does not stop from your mouth when you know better.

1 Timothy 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Every time you lie to yourself or your fellow man, or even God, you are grieving the Holy Spirit and searing your own conscience to hear the Holy Spirit no more.

You have learned the truth, and are now walking in it. This is something that the Lord rejoices over. Only the devil would want you to believe that you are too far gone to be salvageable.

It is the humble state that perfects in us the utter dependence on the Holy Spirit convicting us with his still small voice. Remember that being convicted is not enough.

John 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Remember also that the Lord does handle innocent ignorance a little differently than the out and out refusal to listen. It is a part of walking with the Lord, baby steps...

2 Corinthians 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

Remember..

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Although, I will give you one SERIOUS WARNING... You can grieve the Holy Spirit by selling your soul and birthright the Lord has promised. Hopefully nothing on this earth is worth such a cheap temporary need-now exchange as Esau's....

Hebrews 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. 17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

I believe that Judas grieved the Holy Spirit because He refused to give up believing a lie. He refused to see that Yeshua as Ben Josef rather than the Ben David he was so hoping for. Judas was looking for the one military conquering king that so many others had hoped for. Lies bring us delusions, which cause us to block hearing the truth, which leads to disaster. For Judas the disaster was the final realization, Yeshua was serious about His mission, and the failure of the delusion kill him.

 

[visionary]

I think that Acts 5:3-4 gives us an example of blasphemy of Holy Spirit.

"Peter said, 'Why has the Adversary so filled your heart that you lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back some of the money you received for the land? Before you sold it, the property was yours; and after you sold it, the money was yours to use as you pleased. So what made you decided to do such a thing? You have lied not to human beings but to God!"'

A question to ask here is, Why does Peter associate their lying to the community of believers with lying to the Holy Spirit? Anything done against those whom the Spirit resides in, who are is doing the Holy Spirit's Will [God's Will], could be possibly seen as blasphemy.

 

[Alithis]

i think also it is great importance to remember that the lord Jesus spoke the words in matthew 12:31 .. in response to this ...

But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”

they were attributing the works and manifest power of the holy Spirit in the body of Christ .. to the devil .and he was pointing out the blasphemy of doing so .

with that in mind i have seen blasphemy in some threads where people have walked in the same lack of understanding of things spiritual and have attributed the things of the holy Spirit accusing them of being things "of the devil... '.. the exact same blasphemies the pharisees of that day were committing .

i advice the greatest of caution before bringing railing accusations .

 

[visionary]

I looked up the definition and found that I disagree with it on some points.

blas·phe·my
ˈblasfəmē/Submit
noun
the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.
"he was detained on charges of blasphemy"
synonyms: profanity, sacrilege, irreligion, irreverence, taking the Lord's name in vain, swearing, curse, cursing, impiety, desecration; archaicexecration
"the nuns would punish me at least three times a week for my blasphemy"

Objects rejected or spoken against is not blasphemy.

 

[tango]

i think also it is great importance to remember that the lord Jesus spoke the words in matthew 12:31 .. in response to this ...

But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”

they were attributing the works and manifest power of the holy Spirit in the body of Christ .. to the devil .and he was pointing out the blasphemy of doing so .

with that in mind i have seen blasphemy in some threads where people have walked in the same lack of understanding of things spiritual and have attributed the things of the holy Spirit accusing them of being things "of the devil... '.. the exact same blasphemies the pharisees of that day were committing .

i advice the greatest of caution before bringing railing accusations .

We should be cautious but we should also follow the Scriptural call to test. It's hard to see God calling us to test and then condemning us if we draw the wrong conclusion.

If something doesn't align with the word of God we should highlight it, and those who believe it does align with the word of God should be ready to justify why they believe the way they do. Assuming they have also followed the Scriptural call to test they would be well placed to explain why they believe it passes testing.

 

[visionary]

We should be cautious but we should also follow the Scriptural call to test. It's hard to see God calling us to test and then condemning us if we draw the wrong conclusion.

If something doesn't align with the word of God we should highlight it, and those who believe it does align with the word of God should be ready to justify why they believe the way they do. Assuming they have also followed the Scriptural call to test they would be well placed to explain why they believe it passes testing.

I suppose this has something to do with the "tightening and loosening". God "winks" at some things in one person and will not excuse the same thing in another. It is because one of them knows better and did it anyway. Justifying it does change accountability.

 

[tango]

I suppose this has something to do with the "tightening and loosening". God "winks" at some things in one person and will not excuse the same thing in another. It is because one of them knows better and did it anyway. Justifying it does change accountability.

That wasn't really what I was talking about.

What I was saying was that if you come along and says "check out Pastor Joe Blow's teaching" and, having read them, I respond with "they're dangerous, they contradict Scripture, they lead people away from God" then if you want to defend the teachings I'd expect you to be able to say why you think I'm wrong and how they actually align with Scripture. If all you can come up with is "it's anointed" or "don't judge" or similar (in other words an argument that could be used word-for-word to attempt to ward off opposition to any argument about anything) then I'd be asking why you're promoting a teacher that you apparently can't defend.

 

[psalms 91]

So easy to condemn, wheter rightly or wrongly and yes, I do believe God will judge as it says that every word that proceeds from our mouth will be judged

 

[tango]

So easy to condemn, wheter rightly or wrongly and yes, I do believe God will judge as it says that every word that proceeds from our mouth will be judged

Every word will be judged, which means the person too quick to write off a sound pastor as being dangerous will be judged and so will the person who continues to insist that pastor is sound despite evidence to the contrary.

Personally I believe God will also judge based on our intentions, so the person who truly believes Pastor Joe Blow is dangerous and speaks accordingly would not be treated the same as the rival pastor who just wants to poach members from his church and badmouths him.

 

[psalms 91]

Every word will be judged, which means the person too quick to write off a sound pastor as being dangerous will be judged and so will the person who continues to insist that pastor is sound despite evidence to the contrary.

Personally I believe God will also judge based on our intentions, so the person who truly believes Pastor Joe Blow is dangerous and speaks accordingly would not be treated the same as the rival pastor who just wants to poach members from his church and badmouths him.

I believe what it says that every idle word will be judged, It is not only intent as it does as much damage whether it is done in spite or with good intentions, we are told to test and try the spirits so we are without excuse if we are wrong in this area

 

[visionary]

That wasn't really what I was talking about.

What I was saying was that if you come along and says "check out Pastor Joe Blow's teaching" and, having read them, I respond with "they're dangerous, they contradict Scripture, they lead people away from God" then if you want to defend the teachings I'd expect you to be able to say why you think I'm wrong and how they actually align with Scripture. If all you can come up with is "it's anointed" or "don't judge" or similar (in other words an argument that could be used word-for-word to attempt to ward off opposition to any argument about anything) then I'd be asking why you're promoting a teacher that you apparently can't defend.

But that is not blasphemy... unless the convictions that the Holy Spirit is trying to instill upon you regarding the Pastor and his teachings is being fought, ignored, until the conscience is seared regarding this door closing doctrine.

 

[tango]

But that is not blasphemy... unless the convictions that the Holy Spirit is trying to instill upon you regarding the Pastor and his teachings is being fought, ignored, until the conscience is seared regarding this door closing doctrine.

Some people claim that questioning the anointing of their preferred teacher is akin to attributing God's work to the devil and therefore counts as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

 

[tango]

I believe what it says that every idle word will be judged, It is not only intent as it does as much damage whether it is done in spite or with good intentions, we are told to test and try the spirits so we are without excuse if we are wrong in this area

Sure, we are to test the spirits. If we test and come to a conclusion, then make our conclusion and reasoning known, that isn't "idle words".

It's hard to see God condemning us for following his instructions to test just because we drew the wrong conclusion, especially when some of the teachers in question display at least some signs that can be taken as warning signs.

 

[visionary]

Some people claim that questioning the anointing of their preferred teacher is akin to attributing God's work to the devil and therefore counts as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Pharisee of Yeshua's day would agree with that. But we know that is not the case. We in our finite minds can not understand the Holy Spirit and the way that it is grieved away. Sin has a tendency of blinding us of our own faults. sin is often protected, at the cost of loving this relationship God has given us with His Spirit.