Jews In The Holocaust

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International Holocaust Memorial Day 2022 falls on Thursday, January 27.

Were I a Jew, I would not want the Holocaust remembered because it raises too
many painful questions about the so-called chosen people's popularity with God.

One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ponder: How is
it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust? Where was God
during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to protect His chosen
people?
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[Fritz Kobus]

Perhaps because the chosen people had rejected the Messiah.

 

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To find an answer to the OP's question one need look no further than Ex 34:6-7,
Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69. In other words: the Jews, as a
people, brought it on themselves in accordance with the covenant that their
ancestors agreed upon with God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy.

A covenant is essentially a contract. Well; if God were to fail to fulfill His end of the
agreement; then He would be in breach of contract; which is not only unethical, but
also uncivil. Long story short: the covenant requires Him to lower the boom on His
people for failure to honor their end of the agreement; and you can see the extent
of the damage for yourself in the scripture references in the above paragraph.

There are numerous blessings that God is contractually obligated to fulfill too; so
the covenant isn't all one-sided; viz: compliance with the covenant accrues
blessings; while breaching the covenant accrues curses.

Anybody who has read the Old Testament can attest that God came down on His
own people quite often for breaching the covenant; and just as often quite cruelly.
The curses that Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69 list are very
disturbing; and when examining them, one cannot help but realize they're reading
a synopsis of the Jews' history.
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[Empire]

In France, Joseph Joanovici, an iron merchant, made a fortune by working with the Germans, using part of the money to corrupt the Gestapo into not deporting him, and another part to finance various resistance movements. His case was one of the most complex of the Epuration. He eventually went to prison for collaboration, and later died in poverty.

 

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The status of God's chosen people has its advantages; but also its disadvantages;
viz: the status of God's chosen people is not something to be proud of; but rather,
something to be afraid of because the covenant's God is not the kind of judge
influenced by favoritism. No; if anything, Moses' people run the risk of being judged
even more severely than Gentiles because of their privileged position and the
insider's knowledge they were given of His likes and dislikes.

• Amos 3:1-2 . . Hear this word that Yhvh has spoken against you, O children of
Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying:
You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you
for all your iniquities. (cf. Luke 12:42-48)

This is an ancient principle illustrated not only in the Jews' history, but also taught
by Christianity.

• Luke 12:47-48 . .That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready
or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one
who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few
blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and
from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be required.
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[Andrew]

Jews today are equivalent to those of whom in ancient times complained before their Lord how heavy a burden His will has weighed on them that they took up their tents and pitched them to idols so to follow in opposition to the ways of the Lord.

The remnant of the house of Jacob were gathered into the body of Christ just before the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.

Revelation makes it clear that those of the synagogue of Satan are they who say they are Jews and thus are indeed liars.. Jesus calls these liars the sons of their father the devil.

God will have mercy on the meek, the holocaust was a horrific sacrifice to install a counterfeit Israel for Christ-hating talmudic Zionist

 

[psalms 91]

Simple answer is we live in a fallen world and that God is present in our trioubles as well as our blessings. I do not question God as I know that all things can be made to work for our good. As I look back on my life I realize now that all the hard times and sorrow helped me grow stronger in my faith and resolve and I wouldnt change it as that has helped shape me.

 

[Josiah]

Simple answer is we live in a fallen world and that God is present in our trioubles as well as our blessings. I do not question God as I know that all things can be made to work for our good. As I look back on my life I realize now that all the hard times and sorrow helped me grow stronger in my faith and resolve and I wouldnt change it as that has helped shape me.

Yeah.

It's okay to ask "WHY" in such situations...but typically, we don't get an answer. Christianity is not so much a matter of answers as it is a matter of faith (trust/reliance) and a communal relationship with God. IMO, asking "what now... what am I to believe and DO in this situation?" is much more helpful than the philosophical question of "why?" Christianity has a lot to say about living in tough times... it never really addresses the philosophical question of WHY tough times happen beyond what Psalm91 says.

My father-in-law (a Calvinist) is fond of pointing out in such conversations that if God did as is just, we'd all be dead. We live - even in very tough times - solely because He is gracious. Rather than complaining that life isn't perfect, we should give God thanks that we have it a LOT better than we deserve. Good point.]


May God bless your New Year!


Josiah




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FAQ: Do you mean to say there are actually Christians out there believing it was
the Jews' own fault that they were rounded up like cattle, stripped of their dignity,
their property, their wealth, and their possessions, enslaved, starved, deprived of
basic human necessities, tortured, subjected to Frankenstein medical experiments,
worked to death, and gassed, shot, and incinerated by the millions?

A: If the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God is binding; then yes;
the Jews, as a corporate people, are definitely at fault for what happened to them.

The covenant obligates God to protect them from misfortune when they're
compliant with it; but the same time the covenant also obligates Him to lower the
boom on them when they're non compliant. There's really no mystery to this: it's all
spelled out in black and white at Ex 34:6-7, Lev 26:14-38, Deut 27:15-26, and
Deut 28:15-69. (cf. Deut 29:14-28)

If there is only one good thing to come out of the Holocaust is that it proves to the
world that God is reliable, viz: He can be trusted to honor His commitments.
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FAQ: How can it possibly be that God would cause an event whose collateral
damage led to the deaths of all those other people too besides the Jews?

A: We're not saying God engineered the Holocaust. All we're saying is: He stood by
and did nothing to prevent a number of His own people being taken in it. In other
words: the essential thing that Moses' people brought upon themselves was the
loss of God's providence. I think God took advantage of Hitler's agenda as an
opportunity; viz: a convenient means of throwing His people to the wolves like He
did in the Old Testament with Nebuchadnezzar.

NOTE: It's not all that unusual for Christians to lose out on God's providence too;
and thus end up in hot water themselves.

• 1John 1:6 . . If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the
darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
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FAQ:Supposing there is no one to blame for the loss of Jewish life in the Holocaust
but the Jews themselves? If so; then how many of them would've had to breach the
covenant to put them all in so much danger?

A: It's surprising how few Jews it takes to ruin it for all the rest. For example the
incident at Ai in the 7th chapter of Joshua. The insubordination of one insignificant
Jewish man-- just one --caused God to stop assisting Joshua's army in battle. As a
result, 36 men were needlessly killed in action; and ultimately capital punishment
was inflicted upon not only the insubordinate man himself, but also his sons and his
daughters. God's accusation? "Israel has sinned" (Josh 7:11)

See that? God didn't accuse the perpetrator; no; He accused Israel. In other words:
in that particular incident; the sin of just one Jew under Joshua's command became
the sin of all the Jews under his command; viz: the whole kit and caboodle-- lock,
stock, and barrel; and Israel could proceed no further with its conquest of Canaan
until the guilty man was executed.

And then there's the case where Saul alone caused a three-year famine, and
another case where David's conduct cost the lives of 70,000.

Another possibility is that the generation caught by the Holocaust, was caught not
only due to their own breaches of the covenant, but also due to breaches
committed by generations preceding them.

• Ex 34:6-7 . . Then Jehovah passed by in front of Moses and proclaimed: Jehovah,
Jehovah God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in loving
kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for thousands, who forgives
iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty
unpunished: visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren
to the third and fourth generations.

That statement is included in the covenant, so God is morally obligated to honor it
lest He be found in breach of contract. But it just goes to show that sins have a way
of snow-balling from one generation to the next till the snowball is so big that it
triggers an act of God; which is disturbing because it tells me that it's not
impossible that the Jews of today are endangering the Jews of tomorrow by their
current breaches of the covenant-- breaches that according to Ex 34:6-7, God will
by no means sweep under the rug.

Wouldn't it be awful if the next Holocaust took place right inside the Jews' own
homeland? I sincerely believe that Saddam Hussein's SCUDS were a wake-up call.
Next time; incoming missiles just may contain nuclear warheads instead of high
explosives; and many among Jacob's people will be poisoned to death with
radiation instead of pesticide.

(According to stats I found online, the State of Israel has experienced 1,380,053
cases of Covid 19 resulting in 8,243 deaths; and a very large percentage of those
cases are fully vaccinated. Why hasn't their God's covenanted providence been
protecting His people?)

I believe it's okay to pity the Jews per Lam 1:12; but I do not believe it is
appropriate to let them get away with playing the victim all the time; the
meanwhile diverting attention away from their own chronic failure to honor the
covenant in a manner consistent with God's requirements.
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[Albion]

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FAQ:Supposing there is no one to blame for the loss of Jewish life in the Holocaust
but the Jews themselves? If so; then how many of them would've had to breach the
covenant to put them all in so much danger?

No, let's not suppose such an offensive and historically unsupportable notion.

 

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FAQ: If true that the Jews, as a people, brought the Holocaust upon themselves in
accordance with the language of the covenant that their ancestors agreed upon
with God; then why don't they own up to it instead of always going about playing
the victim and acting so indignant?

A: Well; sad to say: the Jewish people, on the whole, are famous for their obtuse
attitudes; not only in the Bible; but in real life too. It's so common and so chronic
that we're forced to conclude that their attitudes are actually quite systemic.
Finding a Jew who will admit they are wrong-- wrong about anything --is like
searching for the Loch Ness monster and the lost city of Atlantis.

The average John Que and Jane Doe Jew is so defensive, so reactive, so stiff
necked, so adamant, so self-righteous, so arrogant, and so infected with a chosen
people superiority complex; that they simply cannot tolerate criticism; not even
criticism coming straight from the mouth of the very God with whom they boast an
elite association; for example:

• Zech 7:11-12 . . But they refused to listen; and they turned a rebellious shoulder;
and they made their ears heavy, not to hear. And they made their heart [as hard]
as a shamir, [in order] not to listen to the Torah and to the words that the Lord of
Hosts sent, through His spirit by the earlier prophets. And there was great anger
from the Lord of Hosts.

• Dan 9:5-6 . .We have sinned and have dealt iniquitously; we have dealt wickedly
and have rebelled, turning away from Your commandments and from Your
ordinances.

• Dan 9:10-11 . .And we have not hearkened to the voice of the Lord our God, to
follow His teachings, which He placed before us by the hand of His servants, the
prophets. And all Israel have transgressed Your teaching, turning away, not
heeding Your voice, and the curse and the oath, which are written in the Law of
Moses, the servant of God, have befallen us, for we have sinned against Him.

Jews have been playing the victim card for decades, and getting away with it too;
so it really riles them whenever somebody dares to suggest that the misfortunes
that have overtaken them down through the years, as well as the problems that
plague them right now, are due to exactly what Daniel and Zechariah said. For
example:

The covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God requires Him to preserve
peace in the land of Israel when His people are compliant. Well; the land has been
in a state of war since the day of its inception in 1948 and nobody is safe over
there; and were Israel not allied with the USA and Britain, I fear the Arab world
would crush it practically overnight.

The covenant also obligates God to restore Israel's borders when they are
compliant. Well; the State of Israel doesn't even have control over the Temple
Mount let alone its covenanted borders.

The covenant also obligates God to provide the State of Israel with abundant rain
when the people are compliant. Well; if not for ground water and desalination,
Israel wouldn't have much of an agriculture. Alas, the historical Jordan River has
been reduced to a toxic trickle of its former self because so much water is pumped
out of it for irrigation
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if not for ground water and desalination, Israel wouldn't have much of an
agriculture.

Desalination is a desperate measure. Israel won't need it when God's covenanted
providence takes the reins in that land.

• Isa 35:6-7 . .Water will gush forth in the wilderness and streams in the desert.
The burning sand will become a pool, the thirsty ground bubbling springs. In the
haunts where jackals once lay, grass and reeds and papyrus will grow.

Much of Israel today remains a barren desert. When God's providence kicks in, the
whole land will become arable.

• Isa 35:21-2 . .The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will
rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly
and shout for joy. The glory of Lebanon will be given to it, the splendor of Carmel
and Sharon; they will see the glory of The Lord, the excellency of our God.

Lebanon's glory of old was timber; especially cedars (1Kng 4:33). Sharon was
known for its flowers (Song 2:1) and Carmel for its orchards (Isa 33:9). How God
will get timber, flowers, and orchards to flourish in the Negev should be interesting.
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A number of observant Jews sincerely believe that the deaths of six million of their
fellows via German atrocities during the second world war satisfied certain
teachings and predictions in the 53rd chapter of Isaiah's prophecy. A rabbinic
interpretation of that chapter proposes, in so many words, that the fate of God's
people at the hands of Hitler's minions accomplished the salvation of the world.

The interpretation is a bit involved so I won't go into it here; but suffice to say that
the interpretation provides, for some, the only rational explanation as to why God
stood by and did nothing to prevent so many of His own people from being rounded
up like cattle, stripped of their dignity, their property, their wealth, and their
possessions, enslaved, starved, malnourished, deprived of basic human necessities,
tortured, subjected to Frankenstein medical experiments, worked to death, and
gassed, shot, and incinerated by the millions by Nazi mad men.

The error of that interpretation is so obvious that it's almost below me to point it
out; to wit: Judaism regards human sacrifice as a breach of the covenant that
Moses' people agreed upon with God; and also sincerely believes that human
sacrifice is an abomination.

There are astute Bible scholars of the opinion that the Jewish genocide of the last
century was only a taste of one to come in the future when a super powerful
political figure, known to just about everybody as the anti-Christ, will target God's
people with another mass extinction. They say his won't be confined to Europe like
the last one, but will encompass the entire globe so that Jews won't be safe
anywhere on the planet.

Those scholars also believe that the present State of Israel isn't permanent; but
that it will be conquered and the Jews lose control of their homeland all over again.
I don't know for myself whether those scholars are right, but if they are, then it
would appear that the future of God's people at this point in time is looking mighty
grim, to say the least.
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It isn't unusual for Bible-teaching Christians to be accused of hate speech and/or
anti Semitism while Jehovah's very own criticisms, and the prophets' writings too,
contain far more. For example: the book of Isaiah opens with this:

• Isa 1:1-3 . . The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah
and Jerusalem, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, [and] Hezekiah, kings of
Judah. Hear O heavens! and give ear O earth! for Yhvh has spoken. Children I have
raised and exalted, yet they have rebelled against Me. An ox knows his owner and a
donkey his master's crib; but Israel does not know, My people do not think about it.

Oxen and burros are well known for their below-average IQ; but in His indictment,
Jehovah complained that those two species of barnyard beasts of burden have
more brains than His own people when it comes to appreciating His providence; and
Jehovah's statement: "they have rebelled against me" mirrors the age-old
colloquialism of biting the hand that feeds you.

There are so many anti-Semitic comments and remarks throughout the book of
Isaiah that sometimes it's actually difficult to believe it wasn't penned by a
Palestinian instead of a patriot; and that's only Isaiah, some of the other prophets
are just as harsh.

NOTE: More than fifty percent of the Jews living in the State of Israel right now
today are hiloni (secular). In my estimation, that's easily enough insubordinate
Jews all in one place for God to justify bringing down the whole country; and then if
you combine those with the number of insubordinate Jews all 'round the globe,
including the USA; it's not difficult to appreciate just how insecure Israel's future
really is.

A co-worker once informed me that his Jewish wife was seriously considering
migrating to Israel to help with its reconstruction. I advised him to talk her out of it
because without Messiah on the throne, that place is not safe. Plus, the Jews' God
has an era scheduled for them called the time of Jacob's trouble when that land and
its people will experience woes far more severe than any before. In fact without
Messiah's intervention, and were not that time kept brief, not one single Jew in
Israel would survive; it's going to be that bad.
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There's a holocaust pending in the book of Ezekiel that doesn't get much attention.

• Ezek 20:33-38 …As I live-- testifies The Lord God --I will reign over you with a strong
hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with overflowing fury. With a strong hand and
an outstretched arm and overflowing fury I will bring you out from the Gentiles and
gather you from the lands where you are scattered, and I will bring you into the
wilderness of the Gentiles; and there I will enter into judgment with you face to face.

. . . As I entered into judgment with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt,
so will I enter into judgment with you-- testifies The Lord God. I will make you pass under
the shepherd's staff, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant. I will remove
from you those who rebel and transgress against Me; I will take them out of the
countries where they sojourn, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you shall
know that I am The Lord.

Many Jews will be rejected and denied entrance to Messiah's theocratic kingdom.
Ezekiel's is a frightful picture of the Diaspora's impending meeting with their God.

So; what's to become of the rejects?

• Matt 13:40-43 . .As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the
end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his
kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the
fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will
shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

It's been my own personal experience that the average Jew honestly considers
themselves righteous enough to survive their day in court face to face with The Lord
God. Well, just think back to the time when God entered into judgment with the Jews
when He brought them out of Egypt. How many adults over the age of 20 entered the
promised land? Only two: Joshua and Caleb. Not even Moses himself made the cut; nor
even Bezalel and Oholiab, the two artificers endowed with special skills and aptitudes
by God's own spirit.

And remember the Jews who were killed by snake venom when they complained about
manna? And the entire family of Korah the Levite, and his allies, who were incinerated
and swallowed down into the ground alive when it split open and they all fell in? And the
Jewish men who were slain for fathering children by pagan women in the incident with
Balaam, the prophet for profit?

Being Jewish is no guarantee they'll make the cut and partake of the benefits of Isa
11:1-14, Ezk 36:28-38), Mic 4:1-7, and Joel 2:19-27. Modern Jews just don't really know
who they're dealing with..
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[Messy]

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International Holocaust Memorial Day 2022 falls on Thursday, January 27.

Were I a Jew, I would not want the Holocaust remembered because it raises too
many painful questions about the so-called chosen people's popularity with God.

One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ponder: How is
it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust? Where was God
during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to protect His chosen
people?
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100 years before WWII the granddad from Corrie ten Boom had a prayer group and they had to pray for the Jews. 100 years later their family helped Jews and could save some, while a lot of that family died and Corrie went to a concentration camp. She asked ppl to take them in, but some christians refused and were more concerned about their own safety. Instead of saying God didn't care, you can better say they didnt care.

Zechariah 1
12 Then the Angel of the Lord answered and said, “O Lord of hosts, how long will You not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which You were angry these seventy years?”

13 And the Lord answered the angel who talked to me, with good and comforting words. 14 So the angel who spoke with me said to me, [b]“Proclaim, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts:

“I am zealous[c] for Jerusalem
And for Zion with great [d]zeal.
15 I am exceedingly angry with the nations at ease;
For I was a little angry,
And they helped—but with evil intent.”