What is the throne of divine grace?

[Faithhopeandcharity]

Heb 4:16

the great white throne???

 

[Awaiting Transport]

Although the book of Hebrews was written to unbelieving Jews, Paul writes that Jesus is 'the better' <several things>. Like Peter's confession that Jesus IS the Messiah in Matthew 16:18, Jews then needed only to repent of their failure to believe that Jesus WAS the Messiah and believe He was for salvation. Paul is also writing of Gods' grace for their salvation, just as we Gentiles are saved by grace through faith.

Hebrews 4:14-16
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

So where is the throne of grace? We know Jesus will be on His throne in the earthly kingdom He sets up and rules and reigns for 1000 years. Jews need only believe that Jesus is the King for entry. And after the 1000 years? I'm certainly no authority on the subject, but I think the kingdom will be taken up into the new earth and new Jerusalem for all eternity.

 

[Spindle4]

Heb 4:16

the great white throne???

Yes, there is only One Throne that God sits on, from which He decrees Judgment or extends His Mercy.

Interesting fact: The word "throne" appears 4 times in Hebrews but nowhere in the Pauline Epistles.

Heb 1:8 But to the Son He says: "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Heb 8:1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
Heb 12:2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

[Faithhopeandcharity]

Although the book of Hebrews was written to unbelieving Jews, Paul writes that Jesus is 'the better' <several things>. Like Peter's confession that Jesus IS the Messiah in Matthew 16:18, Jews then needed only to repent of their failure to believe that Jesus WAS the Messiah and believe He was for salvation. Paul is also writing of Gods' grace for their salvation, just as we Gentiles are saved by grace through faith.

Hebrews 4:14-16
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

So where is the throne of grace? We know Jesus will be on His throne in the earthly kingdom He sets up and rules and reigns for 1000 years. Jews need only believe that Jesus is the King for entry. And after the 1000 years? I'm certainly no authority on the subject, but I think the kingdom will be taken up into the new earth and new Jerusalem for all eternity.

Lk 1:33-34 says his kingdom has no end
The church is the new heaven and new earth the new creation holy mother church

 

[Faithhopeandcharity]

The throne of grace is the throne of Mary the mother of divine grace! Lk 1:28

 

[Lanman87]

The throne of grace is the throne of Mary the mother of divine grace! Lk 1:28

Uh, no, now your just making stuff up.

 

[Faithhopeandcharity]

Uh, no, now your just making stuff up.

Hail Mary full of grace! Lk 1:28

all generation shall call me blessed! Lk 1:48
Thanksgiving for bringing us salvation

the throne of grace is not God’s great white throne, the throne of grace is Mary’s

 

[Lanman87]

Hail Mary full of grace! Lk 1:28

Mary is full of grace the same way we all are full of Grace. Because God gave it to her.

You don't even have the Catholic teaching correct.

[4:14–16] These verses, which return to the theme first sounded in Heb 2:16–3:1, serve as an introduction to the section that follows. The author here alone calls Jesus a great high priest (Heb 4:14), a designation used by Philo for the Logos; perhaps he does so in order to emphasize Jesus’ superiority over the Jewish high priest. He has been tested in every way, yet without sin (Heb 4:15); this indicates an acquaintance with the tradition of Jesus’ temptations, not only at the beginning (as in Mk 1:13) but throughout his public life (cf. Lk 22:28). Although the reign of the exalted Jesus is a theme that occurs elsewhere in Hebrews, and Jesus’ throne is mentioned in Heb 1:8, the throne of grace (Heb 4:16) refers to the throne of God. The similarity of Heb 4:16 to Heb 10:19–22 indicates that the author is thinking of our confident access to God, made possible by the priestly work of Jesus.

That is a direct quote from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops on Hebrews 4:14-16

If you believe that the "throne of Grace" in Hebrews 4:16 is about Mary then you aren't Catholic. The Catholic church says it is "God's throne".

The United States Conference of Catholic bishops are part of the Magesterium of the Catholic church, you are not.

 

[Faithhopeandcharity]

Mary is full of grace the same way we all are full of Grace. Because God gave it to her.

We receive grace thru faith and baptism, the sacraments and orayer

Mary received the fullness of grace in the first moment of her immaculate conception in her mothers womb, and is the treasury of divine grace all graces were given to her for us who were unworthy of receiving them
The throne of divine grace Heb 4:16 the mother of divine grace

You don't even have the Catholic teaching correct.

[4:14–16] These verses, which return to the theme first sounded in Heb 2:16–3:1, serve as an introduction to the section that follows. The author here alone calls Jesus a great high priest (Heb 4:14), a designation used by Philo for the Logos; perhaps he does so in order to emphasize Jesus’ superiority over the Jewish high priest. He has been tested in every way, yet without sin (Heb 4:15); this indicates an acquaintance with the tradition of Jesus’ temptations, not only at the beginning (as in Mk 1:13) but throughout his public life (cf. Lk 22:28). Although the reign of the exalted Jesus is a theme that occurs elsewhere in Hebrews, and Jesus’ throne is mentioned in Heb 1:8, the throne of grace (Heb 4:16) refers to the throne of God. The similarity of Heb 4:16 to Heb 10:19–22 indicates that the author is thinking of our confident access to God, made possible by the priestly work of Jesus.

That is a direct quote from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops on Hebrews 4:14-16

If you believe that the "throne of Grace" in Hebrews 4:16 is about Mary then you aren't Catholic. The Catholic church says it is "God's throne".

The United States Conference of Catholic bishops are part of the Magesterium of the Catholic church, you are not.

 

[Faithhopeandcharity]

Mary received the fullness of grace in the first moment of her immaculate conception in her mothers womb, and is the treasury of divine grace all graces were given to her for us who were unworthy of receiving them
The throne of divine grace Heb 4:16 the mother of divine grace

That’s doubtful

Saint bonaventure says it refers to Mary not the great white throne of God

 

[Lanman87]

That’s doubtful

Saint bonaventure says it refers to Mary not the great white throne of God

Saint Bonaventure doesn't speak for the Catholic church. The US conference of bishops does speak for the Catholic church.

 

[Joshua1Eight]

It’s a throne

 

[Faithhopeandcharity]

Saint Bonaventure doesn't speak for the Catholic church. The US conference of bishops does speak for the Catholic church.

Only if they are valid bishop
A conference has no authority
Modernist invention
Must call a synod with proper intention for bishops to gather

 

[Lanman87]

Only if they are valid bishop

The Catholic church has declared them to be valid, therefore, they are valid. Unless of course, you think the Catholic church can be in error. Do you think the Catholic church can be in error?

 

[Faithhopeandcharity]

The Catholic church has declared them to be valid, therefore, they are valid. Unless of course, you think the Catholic church can be in error. Do you think the Catholic church can be in error?

No Jn 16:13
But the sacraments of montini are the same as those of the anglicans and they were declared invalid by Leo 13

not a declaration but only doubt

 

[Faithhopeandcharity]

Montini as valid pope is dependent on jn 23 being valid also big doubt

 

[Lanman87]

No Jn 16:13

If the Catholic church cannot error then who they chose as Bishops and Popes cannot be in error.

You are contradicting yourself.

 

[Faithhopeandcharity]

If the Catholic church cannot error then who they chose as Bishops and Popes cannot be in error.

You are contradicting yourself.

Doubts not declaration
What if they simply takeover and announce one of their own as pope, who is a Freemason and the conclave is invalid
There were at least three known statements before the council that jn 23 would be elected see the youtube on papal imposters
Satan will set up a false church
Christ says they will deceive even the elect
Freemasons lauded Jn 23 simply for being announced as pope without ever doing anything they said quote we wholeheartedly support the REVOLUTION of jn 23, what Freemason who swears an oath to fight the church to the death ever praised a true pope? And what revolution?
Freemasons quote for a hundred years we tried to get our principles accepted by Rome, with the second Vatican council we triumphed!!!!! Christ was crucified anew!
Our lady Rome will lose the faith!
La
Portugal will keep the dogma of the faith!
Others???? Our lady at Fatima

the great apostasy under way?????

 

[Lanman87]

the great apostasy under way?????

If the church is infallible then it is impossible for it to be apostate, because it is impossible for it to pick someone as bishop that is invalid. If it does, then it is not infallible after all. You are still contradicting yourself.

 

[Faithhopeandcharity]

If the church is infallible then it is impossible for it to be apostate, because it is impossible for it to pick someone as bishop that is invalid. If it does, then it is not infallible after all. You are still contradicting yourself.

Oh I agree that’s the point, it’s not the church but a counterfeit, the valid and faithful bishops are the true church, but again I don’t define or declare it only doubt the validity of those after Pius 12 by what they teach, is the Assisi prayer for peace or pacumau catholic and divine faith?