Liars Are Born That Way

[Odë:hgöd]

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• Ps 58:3 . .The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go
astray from birth.

This is pretty serious because the Bible says that there is a marvelous city in the
works wherein is not allowed dishonesty.

• Rev 22:15 . . Outside are . . . everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Plus, natural-born liars are destined for fiery termination.

• Rev 21:8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.

Now, I'm willing to bet that there are more natural-born liars on earth than LGBTQ,
yet Christians readily rake LGBTQ over the coals while tolerating dishonesty as if it
were somehow acceptable in comparison; yet both are in the same boat headed for
the same destination.
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[Stravinsk]

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• Ps 58:3 . .The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go
astray from birth.

This is pretty serious because the Bible says that there is a marvelous city in the
works wherein is not allowed dishonesty.

Infants/newborn cannot communicate beyond basic needs/expressions and deception involves a deliberate misrepresentation which involves higher communication and cognitive abilities than they posses until more developed.

This psalm is a metaphor. Akin to "you must be born again" is a metaphor that Yeshua chided Nicodemus for interpreting literally.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

Romans 3:3-6 (KJV) For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
But if our unrighteousness commends the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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Ps 58:3 doesn't say infants are liars. It says that the wicked are born on the path to
dishonesty.
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[Lucian Hodoboc]

Infants/newborn cannot communicate beyond basic needs/expressions and deception involves a deliberate misrepresentation which involves higher communication and cognitive abilities than they posses until more developed.

This psalm is a metaphor. Akin to "you must be born again" is a metaphor that Yeshua chided Nicodemus for interpreting literally.

What is up with God and metaphorical speech? If He is nota God of confusion, why doesn't He communicate in a way we can find clear with our fallen cognitive abilities?

 

[Stravinsk]

What is up with God and metaphorical speech? If He is nota God of confusion, why doesn't He communicate in a way we can find clear with our fallen cognitive abilities?

What makes you think you have fallen cognitive abilities? I look at that psalm and to me it is obvious. Infants aren't wicked from the womb, and don't practice deceit from birth. Therefore, "birth" must be a metaphor of some kind.

Unless one believes Saul/Paul's theology on original sin and predestination, then I could see the problem. I personally don't believe in a god that "makes" people wicked then condemns them for it on the reasoning that he wills it sometimes as the "potter". It is contradictory to a good god and also to free will.

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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• 1John 2:2 . . . He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also
for the sins of the whole world.


A forgiven liar will continue to be dishonest because they were born that way.

"Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Neither can you do
good who are accustomed to doing evil." (Jer 13:23)


What is there to be done about that?
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[Odë:hgöd]

1John 2:2 . . . He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for
the sins of the whole world.

A forgiven liar will continue to be dishonest because they were born that way. What
is there to be done about that?

Well; I think we can be fairly certain that dishonesty is neither tolerated nor
practiced in Heaven's society; which is a curious thing because the Bible says that
every man is dishonest; so the question is; How does anybody at all make the cut?
I mean; if people were dishonest down here, then would they not continue to be
dishonest up there unless something were done to disconnect themselves from
their selves?

God has devised a way to do that very thing by means of a special circumcision.

• Col 2:11-12 . . In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful
nature-- not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the
circumcision done by Christ --having been buried with him in baptism and raised
with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

In a nutshell: although redeemed liars typically continue to be dishonest down here,
they don't take that proclivity with them when they pass on; instead, the special
circumcision makes it possible for them to part company with their unacceptable
tendencies and they go into eternity completely free of human nature's
weaknesses: a benefit of the regeneration that Jesus spoke of at John 3:3-12.
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