Ecclesiasticals VS Canonical

Josiah

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The prayer of Manasseh is


... in the 39 Articles of 1563 and thus in the KJV of 1611. It is NOT in the Geneva Bible. Thus, this latest claim of yours is ALSO wrong.


The reality is: The books you now state you are speaking of.... the totally UNIQUE set of books found ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY in the 39 Articles of the Church of England... and only then since 1563.... this is a set of books that NO OTHER DENOMINATION ON THE PLANET now or ever has embraced.


And you evade the point that they are embraced NOT as canonical, N.O.T. as canonical but only as material good to read, useful for information and inspiration but NOT inerrant, NOT canonical, NOT the divinely-inscripturated words of God... NOT the same as the other 66 that Article Six states (the 66 that we DO find pretty universally).

And you evade that this UNIQUE set - first embraced in 1563 and by only one single denomination - is NOT the same as the LXX, NOT the same as those 3 little obscure regional western meetings around 400 that you keep mentioning.... NOT the same as ever indicated by ANY early church father.




All the Protestant Bible had those books in that section.


Wrong again.

Luther's Bible didn't. As you know, the Geneva Bible didn't. In fact, you can't find any other "Protestant" Bible with the UNIQUE "set" that the Church of England uniquely embraced in 1563.

And of course, the Catholic Bible never had that set of books in it ... NO Orthodox Bible ever had that set of books in them.... The Council of Hippo and the Council of Rome never included that set of books... None of the English Bibles before 1563 had that set in them.... No German Bible before or after Luther had that set of books in them. You are fighting for a unique set of books NEVER embraced by anyone until the singular Church of England did in 1563



Modern Bibles are missing them.

Wrong again.

Some are. Not all. And if you want an Anglican Bible with its UNIQUE set of books since 1563, it's available. Just as if you want a Bible with maps in it or notes or cross references or history articles - those are all available, too. And some Bibles are missing the OT ( I have one that just has the NT, no OT at all). But you are WRONG (and silly) to indicate that because some publishing house chooses to market a tome that may not include all the non-canonical stuff YOU like in a tome, ergo some unidentified person ripped them and there's some law that forbids publishing houses to print and sell them.

There's a simple reason why most Bibles do not follow the unique, 1563 set of books adopted exclusively by the Church of England..... most Christians aren't a part of the Church of England.... and since that unique denomination dogmatically states that these books you re fighting for are NOT canonical thus they are not essential.... and the reality that Anglicans seldom did or do use those books, publishing houses may find there is a better market to include maps, concordances, etc. in the tome they sell than a UNIQUE set of NON-canonical stuff that people don't use.

But here's what you of course evade: You CAN buy an Anglican Bible with the UNIQUE set of books of that one denomination since 1563 that you want! I have one, why don't you? I got mine at our local Christian book store some years ago. There is no law in the USA (or anywhere else I know of) that forbids publishing houses from selling Anglican Bibles with all the material listed in Article 6 of the 39 Articles of the Church of England. It took me less than one minute to find one: The New Revised Standard Version Bible with Apocrypha - Paperback




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... in the 39 Articles of 1563 and thus in the KJV of 1611. It is NOT in the Geneva Bible. Thus, this latest claim of yours is ALSO wrong.


The reality is: The books you now state you are speaking of.... the totally UNIQUE set of books found ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY in the 39 Articles of the Church of England... and only then since 1563.... this is a set of books that NO OTHER DENOMINATION ON THE PLANET now or ever has embraced.


And you evade the point that they are embraced NOT as canonical, N.O.T. as canonical but only as material good to read, useful for information and inspiration but NOT inerrant, NOT canonical, NOT the divinely-inscripturated words of God... NOT the same as the other 66 that Article Six states (the 66 that we DO find pretty universally).

And you evade that this UNIQUE set - first embraced in 1563 and by only one single denomination - is NOT the same as the LXX, NOT the same as those 3 little obscure regional western meetings around 400 that you keep mentioning.... NOT the same as ever indicated by ANY early church father.







Wrong again.

Luther's Bible didn't. As you know, the Geneva Bible didn't. In fact, you can't find any other "Protestant" Bible with the UNIQUE "set" that the Church of England uniquely embraced in 1563.

And of course, the Catholic Bible never had that set of books in it ... NO Orthodox Bible ever had that set of books in them.... The Council of Hippo and the Council of Rome never included that set of books... None of the English Bibles before 1563 had that set in them.... No German Bible before or after Luther had that set of books in them. You are fighting for a unique set of books NEVER embraced by anyone until the singular Church of England did in 1563





Wrong again.

Some are. Not all. And if you want an Anglican Bible with its UNIQUE set of books since 1563, it's available. Just as if you want a Bible with maps in it or notes or cross references or history articles - those are all available, too. And some Bibles are missing the OT ( I have one that just has the NT, no OT at all). But you are WRONG (and silly) to indicate that because some publishing house chooses to market a tome that may not include all the non-canonical stuff YOU like in a tome, ergo some unidentified person ripped them and there's some law that forbids publishing houses to print and sell them.

There's a simple reason why most Bibles do not follow the unique, 1563 set of books adopted exclusively by the Church of England..... most Christians aren't a part of the Church of England.... and since that unique denomination dogmatically states that these books you re fighting for are NOT canonical thus they are not essential.... and the reality that Anglicans seldom did or do use those books, publishing houses may find there is a better market to include maps, concordances, etc. in the tome they sell than a UNIQUE set of NON-canonical stuff that people don't use.

But here's what you of course evade: You CAN buy an Anglican Bible with the UNIQUE set of books of that one denomination since 1563 that you want! I have one, why don't you? I got mine at our local Christian book store some years ago. There is no law in the USA (or anywhere else I know of) that forbids publishing houses from selling Anglican Bibles with all the material listed in Article 6 of the 39 Articles of the Church of England. It took me less than one minute to find one: The New Revised Standard Version Bible with Apocrypha - Paperback




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Modern PROTESTANT Bibles are missing them.

Why do you get so hung up on minor details?

Obviously I’m not saying that modern Catholic Bibles are missing them. I specifically said that modern Protestant Bibles are missing these books, when the Protestant Bibles from the Reformation included them.
You’re not even listening to what I’m saying.

Show me one single Protestant Bible from the Protestant Reformation that was MISSING the “apocrypha” section?

You say Luther’s Bible was missing them.

Huh?

Luther’s Bible contained the apocryphal section just like the other Protestant Bibles. Look it up.

Good grief.
 

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Perhaps it would help all of us if Josiah were to state which books he has in mind when saying that the Articles of Religion have a "UNIQUE" and "wrong" listing of canonical books. By the way, the prayer of Manasseh is not listed as a book of the OT in either the Articles or the Authorized Version of the Bible.
 
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Perhaps it would help all of us if Josiah were to state which books he has in mind when saying that the Articles of Religion have a "UNIQUE" and "wrong" listing of canonical books. By the way, the prayer of Manasseh is not listed as a book of the OT in either the Articles or the Authorized Version of the Bible.
Correct, it's a prayer.. a very good prayer too! The LXX states in Chronicles (I believe) that the Prayer is found in the account of the prayer (or in it's account), which is different than what the Masoretic states.. it took me a while to understand what it meant but I believe instead of "book" or "scroll" it was referring to the prayer alone being written.

Either way it's a beautiful prayer that God undoubtedly answered with His mercy and forgiveness
 
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