Why do you think God allowed the holocaust to happen?

[NathanH83]

There's often no miraculous deliverance for the persecuted church of today. There was no miraculous deliverance for Stephen in Acts 7 either. What of it?

Well yea, I mean there’s always been martyrs. But all those people? Usually there’s a deliverance when it’s that many.

 

[tango]

Well yea, I mean there’s always been martyrs. But all those people? Usually there’s a deliverance when it’s that many.

Usually?

Maybe, if you don't count however many people died during the reigns of the likes of Josef Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, the Khmer Rouge or the Christians killed in Islamic nations for refusing to bow down to Mohammed.

I'm not sure that the deaths of millions at the hands of one regime is a sufficiently common occurrence that "usually" is even a relevant concept. But, you know, if it makes you feel better go ahead with it. Sometimes you'd be forgiven for thinking God doesn't require our approval.

 

[NathanH83]

Usually?

Maybe, if you don't count however many people died during the reigns of the likes of Josef Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, the Khmer Rouge or the Christians killed in Islamic nations for refusing to bow down to Mohammed.

I'm not sure that the deaths of millions at the hands of one regime is a sufficiently common occurrence that "usually" is even a relevant concept. But, you know, if it makes you feel better go ahead with it. Sometimes you'd be forgiven for thinking God doesn't require our approval.

I’m talking about the Jewish people. You know, in the Bible. God usually delivers his people.

 

[eddif]

What I mean is why didn’t God intervene?

God saved his people from Haman in the days of Esther.
God saved his people from Pharaoh’s army in the days of Moses and drowned the Egyptian army in the sea.

But in the holocaust during WW2, there was no miraculous deliverance. Why?

Did God abandon his people because they rejected his Son?

I can not speak to all the issues here.

I will say the ultimate deliverance (Meta deliverance) is in Christ Jesus. Those good Jews (of the OT) went to Abraham’s bosom. Where Jesus went to preach the gospel to those in captivity / prison.

Deliverance (highest level of deliverance) from a gentile life without God is available after Jesus.

Just to stay alive physically should not be our ultimate goal, but eternal life with God for Eternity.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

Revelation 1:1 kjv
1. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2. Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time isat hand.

Revelation is a forward looking book. A book of what is to happen, much like the promises to Abraham that had not yet happened, but did happen on several levels.

IMHO a prophecy from God is done at the utterance, and not just when it happens. The resurrection, judgement, reward, and final punishment (and other things) are already completed.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[tango]

I’m talking about the Jewish people. You know, in the Bible. God usually delivers his people.

Silly me, I wasn't sure who you were expecting to be saved during the Holocaust. You know, there were so many other groups exterminated as well as the Jews it's easy for it to be vague. Especially when God doesn't step in to physically protect his people in other cases I mentioned, like Christians persecuted and martyred in Islamic nations.

I'll refer you back to my previous post when I addressed the notion that millions of people killed by one regime isn't a common enough occurrence for "usually" to be relevant.

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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What is “cowbird’s egg” supposed to mean?

Have you tried Wikipedia?
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[NathanH83]

Silly me, I wasn't sure who you were expecting to be saved during the Holocaust. You know, there were so many other groups exterminated as well as the Jews it's easy for it to be vague. Especially when God doesn't step in to physically protect his people in other cases I mentioned, like Christians persecuted and martyred in Islamic nations.

I'll refer you back to my previous post when I addressed the notion that millions of people killed by one regime isn't a common enough occurrence for "usually" to be relevant.

I know that Corrie Ten Boom was a Christian, as was her family. And they were all sent to concentration camps. She lost her sister Betsy, her father, and her brother. Only she survived.

 

[NathanH83]

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Have you tried Wikipedia?
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Yea, but that just tells me the scientific information regarding that species. That doesn’t tell me how you were using it.

 

[NathanH83]

Revelation 1:1 kjv
1. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2. Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time isat hand.

Revelation is a forward looking book. A book of what is to happen, much like the promises to Abraham that had not yet happened, but did happen on several levels.

IMHO a prophecy from God is done at the utterance, and not just when it happens. The resurrection, judgement, reward, and final punishment (and other things) are already completed.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

How is that related to the holocaust?

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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Revelation 1:1 kjv
1. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2. Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time isat hand.

Revelation is a forward looking book. A book of what is to happen, much like the promises to Abraham that had not yet happened, but did happen on several levels.

IMHO a prophecy from God is done at the utterance, and not just when it happens. The resurrection, judgement, reward, and final punishment (and other things) are already completed.

.Another Cowbird's egg.
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[NathanH83]

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.Another Cowbird's egg.
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Why are you too afraid to explain what you mean by that? I’m not familiar with that idiom and I don’t know what it means.

 

[tango]

I know that Corrie Ten Boom was a Christian, as was her family. And they were all sent to concentration camps. She lost her sister Betsy, her father, and her brother. Only she survived.

What's your point?

 

[NathanH83]

What's your point?

No point. I was just agreeing with you that it wasn’t just Jews who were killed in the holocaust. Christians were too.

 

[NathanH83]

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.Another Cowbird's egg.
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That’s a bad shepherd’s pie.

 

[grumix8]

There was A miracle the allies saved them, Soviet Union and USA there was A great effort to stop that evil sometimes I wish we would of killed Hitler earlier.

 

[tango]

No point. I was just agreeing with you that it wasn’t just Jews who were killed in the holocaust. Christians were too.

Like I said before, you'd almost be forgiven for thinking God doesn't seek our approval before making decisions.

 

[Andrew]

That’s a bad shepherd’s pie.

That's an amish electrician's meltdown.

 

[NathanH83]

That's an amish electrician's meltdown.

That’s a cat in a sack.

 

[NathanH83]

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.Another Cowbird's egg.
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Why don’t you actually explain what you mean instead of just using some cryptic idiom that we’re not familiar with?

How is it a cowbird’s egg? What does that even mean?

The purpose of a forum like this is to encourage conversation. But throwing out cryptic language with no explanation is not encouraging conversation. It’s discouraging it.

It’s kind of like when Paul told people that if they’re going to speak in tongues in public, then there needs to be an interpretation, otherwise you’re just a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

“So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.”
-1 Corinthians 14:9

“But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.”
-1 Corinthians 14:19

“If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.”
-1 Corinthians 14:28

In the same way, I’d rather speak 5 intelligible words on this forum than a thousand cryptic idioms that nobody here understands. If you’re going to call something a cowbird’s egg (some idiom we’ve never heard of) then you need to give an interpretation as to what you mean by it.

But if you’re not going to give an interpretation, then it would be better for you to just keep quiet and not even post anything at all. Otherwise you’re just throwing unintelligible words out into the air, like a clanging symbol, and not actually edifying any of the readers who are on the forum. Nor are you giving anyone an opportunity to respond to your point -whatever point you’re making, that is.

What is a cowbird’s egg? Explain yourself.

I posted a scripture verse from Revelation, and you called it a cowbird’s egg. Why? What does that mean?

Someone else quoted Revelation and you said that too is a cowbird’s egg. How so? In what way?

Revelation says not to add or subject from scripture. Deuteronomy also says not to add or subtract from scripture. Proverbs also has a similar warning. Is it OK to quote one scripture but not the other? Is something in these scriptures out of place?

Care to explain?