Pardes Concepts for Gentiles

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The praiseworthy
Peter is restored
Galatians are restored
Jews are restored
Jews and Gentiles are now one new man

Were the problems true? Yes.
Was there a Noble face to face solution? Yes.
The righteousness in Christ won
The pure in heart won? Yes
Agape tough love? Yes
Admirable? Yes

eddif

Do the words true, noble, and righteous remind you of spiritual armor?

 

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You think I am against Gentiles?

I am probably worse against the circumcision party AKA Judiazers (faction).

We are not saved by the law of Moses.

We do receive the law into our hearts and minds, but it is not the letter oh the law.

eddif

Articulating distict cultural influential thought differences between hebrew and non hebrew is what I assumed you were attempting to communicate.

Although there is no gap between the 2 in the spirit of Torah.
Only a sing needle and thread woven in lovingkindnes during fellowship in oil reveals the heart.


Blessings Always

 

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You're so anti-Gentile in your posts which comes across in a bad way.

I haven't seen any dual house theology from edd,if
Only a linguistic arguement.
For example is the english definition of noble.
Which definition do you chose according to exegesis?
The choice reveals a tantamount treasure.

no·ble

/ˈnōbəl/

adjective

1.

belonging to a hereditary class with high social or political status; aristocratic.

"the Duchess of Kent and other noble ladies"

Similar:

aristocratic

noble-born

of noble birth

titled

patrician

blue-blooded

high-born

well born

gentle

of gentle birth

Opposite:

humble

2.

having or showing fine personal qualities or high moral principles and ideals.

"the promotion of human rights was a noble aspiration"

Similar:

righteous

virtuous

good

honorable

honest

upright

upstanding

decent

worthy

noble-minded

uncorrupted

anticorruption

moral

ethical

reputable

magnanimous

unselfish

generous

self-sacrificing

brave

lofty

exalted

elevated

grand

sublime

imposing

Opposite:

dishonorable

ignoble

base

noun

1.

(especially in former times) a person of noble rank or birth.

"the greater a noble's military power, the more land he could control"

Similar:

aristocrat

nobleman

noblewoman

lord

 

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Articulating distict cultural influential thought differences between hebrew and non hebrew is what I assumed you were attempting to communicate.

Although there is no gap between the 2 in the spirit of Torah.
Only a sing needle and thread woven in lovingkindnes during fellowship in oil reveals the heart.


Blessings Always

I hope it has nothing to do with culture.
Acts 10:34 kjv
34. Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons
35. But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

I really have no chosen particular way to go here.
I may select verses later. Right now just read Acts 10

The people causing the problem were at the home when the gentile inclusion happened. They saw them receive the good news and receive the Holy Spirit.
Acts 10:44 kjv
44. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Yet with all the information and seeing what happened — they changed the gospel.

Read chapter 10 of Acts and make a comment.

eddif

 

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I hope it has nothing to do with culture.
Acts 10:34 kjv
34. Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons
35. But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

I really have no chosen particular way to go here.
I may select verses later. Right now just read Acts 10

The people causing the problem were at the home when the gentile inclusion happened. They saw them receive the good news and receive the Holy Spirit.
Acts 10:44 kjv
44. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Yet with all the information and seeing what happened — they changed the gospel.

Read chapter 10 of Acts and make a comment.

eddif

I ve already commented.
There is no gap in the Spirit of Torah
Devarim(deuteronomy
10:17

24 Bible verses about God, Impartiality Of

A topical Bible which shows the most relevant Bible verse for each topic

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Blessed be The Holy One

 

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I hope it has nothing to do with culture.
Acts 10:34 kjv
34. Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons
35. But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

I really have no chosen particular way to go here.
I may select verses later. Right now just read Acts 10

The people causing the problem were at the home when the gentile inclusion happened. They saw them receive the good news and receive the Holy Spirit.
Acts 10:44 kjv
44. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Yet with all the information and seeing what happened — they changed the gospel.

Read chapter 10 of Acts and make a comment.

eddif

Who changed the gospel? What did they change it to?

 

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Who changed the gospel? What did they change it to?

Acts 10:45 kjv
45. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

When I read (of the circumcision) I automatically think of circumcision party / judaizer faction

Judaizers - Wikipedia

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Acts 15:5 kjv
5. But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Of course we leap to
Our Galatians passage again
Galatians 1:6 kjv
6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

And, the other gospel is that the Gentiles could not be saved by grace alone, but had to keep also the law of Moses.

Maybe reading the Wikipedia link will help.

eddif

 

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I ve already commented.
There is no gap in the Spirit of Torah
Devarim(deuteronomy
10:17

24 Bible verses about God, Impartiality Of

A topical Bible which shows the most relevant Bible verse for each topic

bible.knowing-jesus.com

Blessed be The Holy One

The Deuteronomy 10:17 passage is before the new covenant.
The Acts 10:35 passage has a (But) rider.

The passages are both related to each other, but the Acts passage comes after the Law is in their hearts and minds.

eddif

 

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Acts 10:45 kjv
45. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

When I read (of the circumcision) I automatically think of circumcision party / judaizer faction

Judaizers - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Acts 15:5 kjv
5. But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Of course we leap to
Our Galatians passage again
Galatians 1:6 kjv
6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

And, the other gospel is that the Gentiles could not be saved by grace alone, but had to keep also the law of Moses.

Maybe reading the Wikipedia link will help.

eddif

If you read into the text of acts 10:45 that "they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter" were the same as "sect of the Pharisees which believed" then that would be eisegesis.

 

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If you read into the text of acts 10:45 that "they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter" were the same as "sect of the Pharisees which believed" then that would be eisegesis.

Maybe , but when I see the (astonished) it tends toward confirmation or exegesis.

And the end we seek is not to miss what caused the Galatians to fall away. Going down a side road happens. I kind of like Mapquest and ok
( make a u-turn your destination will be on the left now). LOL

eddif

 

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Maybe , but when I see the (astonished) it tends toward confirmation or exegesis.

And the end we seek is not to miss what caused the Galatians to fall away. Going down a side road happens. I kind of like Mapquest and ok
( make a u-turn your destination will be on the left now). LOL

eddif

I agree with the plausible exegesis that the same sect of pharisee that is mentioned in acts 15 are the ones that influenced the galatians.
Because the common denominator is the false teaching of circumcision etc to be saved.
Which was quelled at the council that ole sh'aul had attended in acts 15.
Where 4 abstainences are listed.
[ 20 But that we write unto them, that they
abstain from pollutions of idols,
and from fornication,
and from things strangled,
and from blood.]

But they(sect of pharisee) are not related to the disciples(circumcised) who were with peter in acts 10:45

 

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I agree with the plausible exegesis that the same sect of pharisee that is mentioned in acts 15 are the ones that influenced the galatians.
Because the common denominator is the false teaching of circumcision etc to be saved.
Which was quelled at the council that ole sh'aul had attended in acts 10.
Where 4 abstainences are listed.

But they are not related to the disciples(circumcised) who were with peter in acts 10:45

The best I can do is never good enough.
Jesus accomplished what I need.

About levels / Pardes
The shed blood of Jesus is the top level of our blood salvation. So (from memory of 4 abstainces avoiding blood just points to Jesus more. (Abstainence 1)

Jesus is the bridegroom we are waiting for the marriage at the resurrection / great throne judgement. Our abstaining from fornication points to our bridegroom Jesus (Abstinence 2)

I will let you do 3&4, or I will look them up and see if He will give insight.

eddif

 

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A little help with Acts 10:45 would be appreciated.

The belief in repentance was / is needed.
The belief in Jesus is needed
The belief in the Holy Spirit is needed

Why were the minds of some (believers) not getting the grace afforded the Gentiles.

Was the first part of Acts 10:45 about the we that got the Holy Spiritnot referring to the bunch that said (they are drunk).

There were righteous at pentecost & there were those who commented on the drunkards (leading us to ask what group were the errant bunch, and how much had they received)? Had they received the Holy Spirit yet?

A little help would be appreciated.

efddif

 

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The best I can do is never good enough.
Jesus accomplished what I need.

About levels / Pardes
The shed blood of Jesus is the top level of our blood salvation. So (from memory of 4 abstainces avoiding blood just points to Jesus more. (Abstainence 1)

Jesus is the bridegroom we are waiting for the marriage at the resurrection / great throne judgement. Our abstaining from fornication points to our bridegroom Jesus (Abstinence 2)

I will let you do 3&4, or I will look them up and see if He will give insight.

eddif

Abstaining from blood.
Firstly is the ordinance against ingestion.
Next is the ordinance against violence.
Then is the ordinance against shedding innocent blood.
Lastly would be an ordinance against rape and or adultry.
4 levels to each

Blessings Always

 

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A little help with Acts 10:45 would be appreciated.

The belief in repentance was / is needed.
The belief in Jesus is needed
The belief in the Holy Spirit is needed

Why were the minds of some (believers) not getting the grace afforded the Gentiles.

Was the first part of Acts 10:45 about the we that got the Holy Spiritnot referring to the bunch that said (they are drunk).

There were righteous at pentecost & there were those who commented on the drunkards (leading us to ask what group were the errant bunch, and how much had they received)? Had they received the Holy Spirit yet?

A little help would be appreciated.

efddif

Those that accused the people of being drunk(ards) had not received the gift, hence the animosity and slander.

Definition of ANIMOSITY

a strong feeling of dislike or hatred : ill will or resentment tending toward active hostility : an antagonistic attitude… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

This should be very clear in the plain(surface PRDeS reading of the account.

Blessings Always

 

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Those that accused the people of being drunkards had not received the gift hence there animosity and slander.

This should be very clear.

So
45. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I hope not to wear out this verse in I Acts 10
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“But they(sect of pharisee) are not related to the disciples(circumcised) who were with peter in acts 10:45” your comment
I pretty much believe they were all circumcised in the flesh, but at Pentecost the heart being circumcised began(?).
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They of the circumcision IMHO relates to the sect. Of which party there are possibly two groups.

Group 1. They realize they historically for flesh symbolism. But they also may have been changed. They would be astonished because of the Holy Spirit leading them into truth.

Group 2. They realize nothing, but think any talk other than their historical beliefs are missing their gospel (their false gospel).

We have to get past all this knowledge stuff.
There is a bad bunch of folks putting their false thoughts on baby believers in God (Gentiles who have recently been declared grafted in / on to the Native vine. ( that statement is not my thoughts, but Bible quotes that will possibly drive some folks crazy). Good ole Paul knows, but it is hard to wrap a gentile mind around some of Paul’s revelation of doctrine.

eddif

 

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So
45. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I hope not to wear out this verse in I Acts 10
........
“But they(sect of pharisee) are not related to the disciples(circumcised) who were with peter in acts 10:45” your comment
I pretty much believe they were all circumcised in the flesh, but at Pentecost the heart being circumcised began(?).
.......
They of the circumcision IMHO relates to the sect. Of which party there are possibly two groups.

Group 1. They realize they historically for flesh symbolism. But they also may have been changed. They would be astonished because of the Holy Spirit leading them into truth.

Group 2. They realize nothing, but think any talk other than their historical beliefs are missing their gospel (their false gospel).

We have to get past all this knowledge stuff.
There is a bad bunch of folks putting their false thoughts on baby believers in God (Gentiles who have recently been declared grafted in / on to the Native vine. ( that statement is not my thoughts, but Bible quotes that will possibly drive some folks crazy). Good ole Paul knows, but it is hard to wrap a gentile mind around some of Paul’s revelation of doctrine.

eddif

In acts 10 the "circumcised" party with and including kefa(peter are being distinguished from gentiles for the readers discernment.

Circumcision is a physical sign or covenant between a male and The Most High. Something which would be very problematic for adult first generation believers. Circumcision comes with serious health hazards the older a person is.
Yet the following generation if they chose to have their male children enter the brit I'm certain that many of jewish believers would have been accommodating.

There is nothing inherently wrong if any gentiles had decided to follow Torah.
What was blatantly a false gospel is what the pharisees claimed in acts 15.
That only by being circumcised and obeying Torah would a person be saved. I.e attainment of salvation.
When citing scripture one must read the entire context for understanding.

Blessings Always

 

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Romans 2:29 kjv
29: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Kind of sounds like this is a change in that generation.

Galatians 4:28 kjv
28.Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
30. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Galatians 5:1
1. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

I reckon that since blood and water came out of Jesus’s side something had happened in his heart.

Our highest level should be to look at our hidden man of the heart rather than the outward man of the flesh.

You have a Mississippi redneck posting scriptures. In no way do I exalt myself.

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I Corinthians 7:18 kjv
18. Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19. Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Colossians 2:11 kjv
11. In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Ephesians 2:15 kjv
15. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, eventhe law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Commandments contained in ordinances .
Not the physical, but the hidden higher level abstract meaning hidden in the physical ordinance. In Christ the law fulfilled is eternal.

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