Pardes Concepts for Gentiles

[eddif]

The goal is for a person to follow Jesus. There is just one name under Heaven that brings salvation.

the Gentiles mess up when they develop side notes to the scriptures. The gentiles can undo the law by their traditions just like the Jews did.

Jesus spoke against human traditions.

Here is an example of one of my posts.

Seems I do say that Jesus is the way to salvation and Jew and gentile have had error /sin.

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[Lamb]

Jews of today have an advantage if they are true Christians. That is my statement intention
all through my threads.

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That's really not what you said to begin with. Jews today (even if Christian) still are tainted by modern Judaism...which is something you should agree with since you stated that everyone is influenced by their denomination.

 

[Lamb]

Here is an example of one of my posts.

Seems I do say that Jesus is the way to salvation and Jew and gentile have had error /sin.

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You're so anti-Gentile in your posts which comes across in a bad way.

 

[eddif]

That's really not what you said to begin with. Jews today (even if Christian) still are tainted by modern Judaism...which is something you should agree with since you stated that everyone is influenced by their denomination.what you think I said.

I will look for what you think I said. If I find it the whole site will get an appology
I was quoting scripture.
All have sinned and fall short.

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[eddif]

You're so anti-Gentile in your posts which comes across in a bad way.

I am a gentile who is realizing that my group is grafted into God by grace. We are on a dangerous place if we get into pride, and more dangerous place if we criticize what God was doing, is-and will do in regard to the Jews.

I am as tough on Jews as on Gentiles. I am looking into Paul’s warning to Gentiles, and his hope toward helping Jews.
I am aware of my personal dangerous position.


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[Lamb]

I will look for what you think I said. If I find it the whole site will get an appology
I was quoting scripture.
All have sinned and fall short.

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"For a gentile to do the law is a miracle. For a gentile to understand the law is probably a miracle also. "

You began a thread called "Who are you gentile?" Using the term "you" makes it personal. So in effect, whatever you say in the thread is directed at the members here. Such as "The Gentiles do not have a background of knowing God." Even though you probably meant the Gentiles in Jesus' time? But even then, there were Gentiles throughout scripture who KNEW God and had faith.

I am a gentile who is realizing that my group is grafted into God by grace. We are on a dangerous place if we get into pride, and more dangerous place if we criticize what God was doing, is-and will do in regard to the Jews.

I am as tough on Jews as on Gentiles. I am looking into Paul’s warning to Gentiles, and his hope toward helping Jews.
I am aware of my personal dangerous position.
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God is the one who calls...so no one can brag. Not even the Jews. They were the original groups that God set aside as a peoples for Him to build up so that from that line a Savior could be born. But now that we are grafted in, we are ONE plant. Your posts come off as divisive and condescending toward Gentiles even though you say are one, it's like you're ashamed to be one.

Seriously. God died on the cross for all of us. We're all special to Him, especially to those who believe.

 

[Origen]

You began a thread called "Who are you gentile?" Using the term "you" makes it personal. So in effect, whatever you say in the thread is directed at the members here. Such as "The Gentiles do not have a background of knowing God." Even though you probably meant the Gentiles in Jesus' time? But even then, there were Gentiles throughout scripture who KNEW God and had faith.

God is the one who calls...so no one can brag. Not even the Jews. They were the original groups that God set aside as a peoples for Him to build up so that from that line a Savior could be born. But now that we are grafted in, we are ONE plant. Your posts come off as divisive and condescending toward Gentiles even though you say are one, it's like you're ashamed to be one.

Seriously. God died on the cross for all of us. We're all special to Him, especially to those who believe.

He claims to know so much about Paul's thinking yet conveniently overlooks anything which refuted his view.

"But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith." (Gal 3:25-26)

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise." (Gal 3:28-29)

 

[eddif]

He claims to know so much about Paul's thinking yet conveniently overlooks anything which refuted his view.

"But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith." (Gal 3:25-26)

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise." (Gal 3:28-29)

Paul has at minimum a dual concept of man.
The mind
The body

Now sin no longer has dominion over us.
And at the resurrection we are all changed.

I do not deny any of these elements.
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[Origen]

Paul has at minimum a dual concept of man.
The mind
The body

Now sin no longer has dominion over us.
And at the resurrection we are all changed.

I do not deny any of these elements.
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None of that changes the fact of what Paul clearly stated and what it means for your view.

"But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith." (Gal 3:25-26)

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise." (Gal 3:28-29)

Let me make it larger for you:

"you are all sons of God"

"There is neither Jew nor Greek"

"you are all one in Christ Jesus"

"you are Abraham’s offspring"

 

[eddif]

Right now we are on Pardes for Gentiles.
Levels of understanding.

Compared to the 400 years of silence (except in scattering areas) my statements will take up a short period of time.

There are several people I would especially not criticize, because of miracles surrounding them. I might miss some.

The mother and father of John the Baptist.
John the Baptist.
The Mother of Jesus
Joseph, The Holy Spirit and Father God
Jesus Christ
Saul of Tarsus / Paul
Perhaps Peter and disciples.
Cornelius.
Ananias
Stephen
Others

ere were a few problems at times with a few, but God was dealing with them. Peter was always restored , Ananias went
etc.

So mention their trials, maybe.
Get on their cases too much I hope not

Paul especially went to the Gentiles big time. Paul explained the gentile situation.

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[Origen]

Paul explained the gentile situation.

Yes he did very clearly.

"you are all sons of God"

"There is neither Jew nor Greek"

"you are all are one in Christ Jesus"

"you are Abraham’s offspring"

 

[Lamb]

Yes he did very clearly.

"you are all sons of God"

"There is neither Jew nor Greek"

"all one in Christ Jesus"

"you are Abraham’s offspring"

Yep, Paul did not denigrate the Gentiles as if to say they were inferior to the Jews.

 

[eddif]

Yep, Paul did not denigrate the Gentiles as if to say they were inferior to the Jews.

No he did not.
What he did was tell the Galatians of their error, and restate what they really were in Christ,

Galatians 1:6 kjv
6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

I will skip. You all can read till:
Galatians 2:11
11. But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13. And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14. But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15. We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16. Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Why all the talking down to the Gentiles?

Some Jews taught that the Gentiles had to keep the law of Moses. So Peter withdrew from the Gentiles. The Gentiles believed the heresy and fell from just believing in grace. The good Jews drew away from the Christian Gentiles.

A royal mess.

Paul gets right in the middle and straightens everyone out.

All the recent posts about grace were a declaration to the Gentiles:
To not keep the law of Moses but live in Christ by Grace.

There is a lawful use of the law, but right now it would confuse folks.

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[eddif]

You think I am against Gentiles?

I am probably worse against the circumcision party AKA Judiazers (faction).

We are not saved by the law of Moses.

We do receive the law into our hearts and minds, but it is not the letter oh the law.

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[Lamb]

There is a lawful use of the law, but right now it would confuse folks.

Oh really? Maybe you should give my members more credit on knowing the law.

 

[eddif]

Yep, Paul did not denigrate the Gentiles as if to say they were inferior to the Jews.

The Gentiles denigrated themselves by listening to the wrong gospel.

All the Jews were not bad, but the old line Law of Moses folks caused the problem.
Cut the new Christians all some slack. The Jewish Christians were new to Christianity, and the Gentiles were sure new to Christianity .

Note how paul got down on Peter Jew To Jew.

Peter had the scriptures, and should have known better (Jewish advantage). The Gentiles
were without God, but God knew their need and sent Paul. You know Saul of Tarsus persecutor of the way. Just took a little blindness and being filled with the Holy Spirit ( in his case by the laying on of hands), to get him ready to go study and receive revelation.

At any point we may need help ourselves.

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[eddif]

Oh really? Maybe you should give my members more credit on knowing the law.

I keep forgetting this is not an open forum, I keep thinking there are lost folks in the audience.

sorry

post how to use the law lawfully.

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[eddif]

He claims to know so much about Paul's thinking yet conveniently overlooks anything which refuted his view.

"But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith." (Gal 3:25-26)

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise." (Gal 3:28-29)

In Galatians chapter 1
The Gentile Galatians have left their position of trusting in Jesus alone. A group of Jews have convinced them they have to keep the law of Moses. This is to the Galatians that have fallen.

Paul then sets about correcting the Galatians by giving sound faith statements for the Galatians to cling to. If they accept the solid doctrine, then they are restored.

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[pinacled]

In Galatians chapter 1
The Gentile Galatians have left their position of trusting in Jesus alone. A group of Jews have convinced them they have to keep the law of Moses. This is to the Galatians that have fallen.

Paul then sets about correcting the Galatians by giving sound faith statements for the Galatians to cling to. If they accept the solid doctrine, then they are restored.

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Remember also,
phillipians 4:8
[ In conclusion, brothers, focus your thoughts on what is true, noble, righteous, pure, lovable or admirable, on some virtue or on something praiseworthy.]

Blessings Always

 

[eddif]

Remember also,
phillipians 4:8
[ In conclusion, brothers, focus your thoughts on what is true, noble, righteous, pure, lovable or admirable, on some virtue or on something praiseworthy.]

Blessings Always

The praiseworthy
Peter is restored
Galatians are restored
Jews are restored
Jews and Gentiles are now one new man

Were the problems true? Yes.
Was there a Noble face to face solution? Yes.
The righteousness in Christ won
The pure in heart won? Yes
Agape tough love? Yes
Admirable? Yes

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