What was it historically that set Catholics down the path of believing Mary stayed a virgin her whole life?

[hedrick]

I wonder if the perpetual virginity is a roman paganism

No. We have a pretty good idea where it came from. No paganism involved.

 

[pinacled]

No. We have a pretty good idea where it came from. No paganism involved.

Where?

 

[NathanH83]

I wonder if the perpetual virginity is a roman paganism

That’s what I was thinking for sure

 

[pinacled]

That’s what I was thinking for sure

But where does the perpetual virginity teaching come from.
And can it be found in the catholic catechism?

 

[Andrew]

But where does the perpetual virginity teaching come from.
And can it be found in the catholic catechism?

The Catechism basically states that the sinlessness of Mary (which involves perpetual virginity) is based on the Church view that Mary is the personification of the Church herself.

As I looked Mary up in the index of the Catechism it gave me page numbers, none of the pages ever mention "Mary", but it does say "Church".. because they are synonymous with each other according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

So there you go, not much to work with other than the Church and Mary being "The Temple of God", since Mary gave birth to God.

 

[pinacled]

The Catechism basically states that the sinlessness of Mary (which involves perpetual virginity) is based on the Church view that Mary is the personification of the Church herself.

As I looked Mary up in the index of the Catechism it gave me page numbers, none of the pages ever mention "Mary", but it does say "Church".. because they are synonymous with each other according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

So there you go, not much to work with other than the Church and Mary being "The Temple of God", since Mary gave birth to God.

But that's a stretch away from actual catholic catechism and doctrine.

I asked for evidence aside from hearsay.

 

[Andrew]

But that's a stretch away from actual catholic catechism and doctrine.

I asked for evidence aside from hearsay.

I thought it would be easier, seems like they want me to read the whole catechism to get an answer
As for hearsay, just reporting what I know, i'm not agreeing with the RCC so don't think I'm attempting to defend their doctrine of a sinless Mary.
She obviously saw Jesus as her savior, had she been sinless without need of a savior she would have defeated death herself and Christianity would have been "Marianity".
She was still very blessed indeed

 

[pinacled]

I thought it would be easier, seems like they want me to read the whole catechism to get an answer
As for hearsay, just reporting what I know, i'm not agreeing with the RCC so don't think I'm attempting to defend their doctrine of a sinless Mary.
She obviously saw Jesus as her savior, had she been sinless without need of a savior she would have defeated death herself and Christianity would have been "Marianity".
She was still very blessed indeed

I don't recall a "sinless mary" in catechism.

Do u

 

[Andrew]

I don't recall a "sinless mary" in catechism.

Do u

?? Seriously?

"Immaculate"

 

[pinacled]

?? Seriously?

"Immaculate"

Prepared doesn't equate to sinless.

 

[Andrew]

Prepared doesn't equate to sinless.

So... Catholics don't believe Mary was sinless?

 

[Lamb]

You can read the Catholic catechism online.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText

www.vatican.va

499 The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary's real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man.154 In fact, Christ's birth "did not diminish his mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it."155 and so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the "Ever-virgin".156

500 Against this doctrine the objection is sometimes raised that the Bible mentions brothers and sisters of Jesus.157 The Church has always understood these passages as not referring to other children of the Virgin Mary. In fact James and Joseph, "brothers of Jesus", are the sons of another Mary, a disciple of Christ, whom St. Matthew significantly calls "the other Mary".158 They are close relations of Jesus, according to an Old Testament expression.159

501 Jesus is Mary's only son, but her spiritual motherhood extends to all men whom indeed he came to save: "The Son whom she brought forth is he whom God placed as the first-born among many brethren, that is, the faithful in whose generation and formation she co-operates with a mother's love."160

 

[pinacled]

You can read the Catholic catechism online.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText

www.vatican.va

499 The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary's real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man.154 In fact, Christ's birth "did not diminish his mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it."155 and so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the "Ever-virgin".156

500 Against this doctrine the objection is sometimes raised that the Bible mentions brothers and sisters of Jesus.157 The Church has always understood these passages as not referring to other children of the Virgin Mary. In fact James and Joseph, "brothers of Jesus", are the sons of another Mary, a disciple of Christ, whom St. Matthew significantly calls "the other Mary".158 They are close relations of Jesus, according to an Old Testament expression.159

501 Jesus is Mary's only son, but her spiritual motherhood extends to all men whom indeed he came to save: "The Son whom she brought forth is he whom God placed as the first-born among many brethren, that is, the faithful in whose generation and formation she co-operates with a mother's love."160

Ah found it.

"ever-virgin"

499 The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary's real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man.154 In fact, Christ's birth "did not diminish his mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it."155 and so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the "Ever-virgin".156

 

[Andrew]

You can read the Catholic catechism online.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText

www.vatican.va

499 The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary's real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man.154 In fact, Christ's birth "did not diminish his mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it."155 and so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the "Ever-virgin".156

500 Against this doctrine the objection is sometimes raised that the Bible mentions brothers and sisters of Jesus.157 The Church has always understood these passages as not referring to other children of the Virgin Mary. In fact James and Joseph, "brothers of Jesus", are the sons of another Mary, a disciple of Christ, whom St. Matthew significantly calls "the other Mary".158 They are close relations of Jesus, according to an Old Testament expression.159

501 Jesus is Mary's only son, but her spiritual motherhood extends to all men whom indeed he came to save: "The Son whom she brought forth is he whom God placed as the first-born among many brethren, that is, the faithful in whose generation and formation she co-operates with a mother's love."160

Thanks!

 

[Andrew]

Ah found it.

"ever-virgin"

499 The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary's real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man.154 In fact, Christ's birth "did not diminish his mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it."155 and so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the "Ever-virgin".156

My bad, I thought they were page numbers in the index, no wonder I couldn't find what I was looking for lol

 

[pinacled]

Ah found it.

"ever-virgin"

499 The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary's real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man.154 In fact, Christ's birth "did not diminish his mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it."155 and so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the "Ever-virgin".156

Sanctified with pure undefilled
blood in breaking the matrix is what I hear

 

[pinacled]

My bad, I thought they were page numbers in the index, no wonder I couldn't find what I was looking for lol

What do u find amusing?

 

[pinacled]

Ah found it.

"ever-virgin"

499 The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary's real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man.154 In fact, Christ's birth "did not diminish his mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it."155 and so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the "Ever-virgin".156

Perpetual virginity of Mary - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[pinacled]

You can read the Catholic catechism online.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText

www.vatican.va

499 The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary's real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man.154 In fact, Christ's birth "did not diminish his mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it."155 and so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the "Ever-virgin".156

500 Against this doctrine the objection is sometimes raised that the Bible mentions brothers and sisters of Jesus.157 The Church has always understood these passages as not referring to other children of the Virgin Mary. In fact James and Joseph, "brothers of Jesus", are the sons of another Mary, a disciple of Christ, whom St. Matthew significantly calls "the other Mary".158 They are close relations of Jesus, according to an Old Testament expression.159

501 Jesus is Mary's only son, but her spiritual motherhood extends to all men whom indeed he came to save: "The Son whom she brought forth is he whom God placed as the first-born among many brethren, that is, the faithful in whose generation and formation she co-operates with a mother's love."160

Do you have catechism about ever virgin?

 

[Andrew]

Do you have catechism about ever virgin?

She gave you the link to the catechisms