Why are there some Christians who are obsessed with Flat Earth Conspiracy?

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I have a YouTube channel where I make videos that are kind of like apologetic works, defending the Bible from atheistic attacks. And for some reason I get all these people who keep trying to promote their Flat Earth conspiracy in the comments.

Like, I made a video about the Egyptian Pyramids, and they automatically think I’m a Flat Earth person like them.

I’m just like, “What in the world makes you think I believe in Flat Earth? My video was about Pyramids and Babel. What????”

I just don’t get it. What is going on?
 

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We have a member that believes in the flat earth model, I would have to move your thread to the speculative theology forum because he can't post here in Christian Theology
 

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I have a YouTube channel where I make videos that are kind of like apologetic works, defending the Bible from atheistic attacks. And for some reason I get all these people who keep trying to promote their Flat Earth conspiracy in the comments.

Like, I made a video about the Egyptian Pyramids, and they automatically think I’m a Flat Earth person like them.

I’m just like, “What in the world makes you think I believe in Flat Earth? My video was about Pyramids and Babel. What????”

I just don’t get it. What is going on?
It's likely you are being bot trolled for mentioning christianity on a site programmed with spyware.
A marketing ploy
 

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It's likely you are being bot trolled for mentioning christianity on a site programmed with spyware.
A marketing ploy

No, they’re real people. I chat with them in the comments. They’re not robots.
 

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I have a YouTube channel where I make videos that are kind of like apologetic works, defending the Bible from atheistic attacks. And for some reason I get all these people who keep trying to promote their Flat Earth conspiracy in the comments.

Like, I made a video about the Egyptian Pyramids, and they automatically think I’m a Flat Earth person like them.

I’m just like, “What in the world makes you think I believe in Flat Earth? My video was about Pyramids and Babel. What????”

I just don’t get it. What is going on?

People believe weird stuff. Who'd have thought it?

You know, people believe aliens are living among us, the moon landing was faked, Hillary Clinton is some kind of reptilian creature, that Bill Gates puts microchips into vaccines so he can track our every move, the list goes on. Why would we be surprised that people think aliens built the pyramids or the earth is flat?
 

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People believe weird stuff. Who'd have thought it?

You know, people believe aliens are living among us, the moon landing was faked, Hillary Clinton is some kind of reptilian creature, that Bill Gates puts microchips into vaccines so he can track our every move, the list goes on. Why would we be surprised that people think aliens built the pyramids or the earth is flat?
Well flat earth Christians cite (out of context) certain verses in the Bible, I think that's what Nathan is asking for.. I forget what scriptures they cite
 

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Well flat earth Christians cite (out of context) certain verses in the Bible, I think that's what Nathan is asking for.. I forget what scriptures they cite

OK, so Christians pluck verses out of context to try to prove a point the wider context doesn't make. It happens, a lot of people would rather try to prove they are right than find the truth. Why is a flat earth any different to the health-and-wealth garbage or the idea that Jesus was a white man with fair hair and blue eyes?
 

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This thread (originally posted as a question @NathanH83) was posted to an area of the forum I cannot post at, and as (I suspect) I am the only Flat Earther here I shall attempt to answer the question. I am a Deist, although I have a Christian background, and I share some beliefs with Christians, and some marked differences as well.

From a Biblical perspective, there is no where in the bible that supports these concepts:

1) The earth is a sphere ("the circle of the earth" - doesn't mean sphere, and the Hebrew word for circle here is "circuit", again not designating shape)

2) The earth moves

3) The earth orbits a star, or the sun. The bible does mention the sun moving (and stopping), but not the earth. Outside of direct reference, there is the indirect. Sun worship is a major feature of pagan religion and condemned by the Biblical God, and what an irony that would be if He Tailored his Earth to be a mere planet among planets all dancing around the sun.

4) Stars as planets, or suns. According to the bible, they are likened to living beings (Job 38:7), not planets and not suns. The stars also fall to the earth in the book of Revelation.

5) The moon being a reflector of the Sun. According to the bible, the moon gives it's own light.

6) The moon being over 200k miles away from earth. Next time you examine the moon on a semi cloudy night, observe how it's light illuminates close clouds, and ask yourself how this is possible unless the clouds are also 200k miles away, or if the moon reflects it's light collectively upon close clouds.

7) "Outer space". This concept is nowhere supported in the Bible. The opposite is supported. Earth has a firmament. Above the firmament is water (Psalm 148:4). This is the true reason why the sky is blue.

Those are 7 Biblical reasons I can think of off the top of my head.

Other reasons include:

The properties of water. The surface of water does not bend or curve around objects when it is at rest, or relative rest. There is not a single example I know of where the surface of resting water curves. Yet we are to believe this is the case for the Globe/Sphere model. By the magic of "gravity".

True flat eathers, btw, do not believe in "Gravity", rather they explain the up or down tendency of objects according to their relative densities. A helium balloon will float in air and a human will sink, but a large enough hot air balloon will rise and carry a human up into the sky. Relative density is what is at play here, no gravity required.

Proven "space" fakery. Nasa and other so called space agencies have been caught many times faking space footage. There is no real need to do this unless they've never been there or space itself is fake.

REGARDING THE FLAT EARTH MODEL

I am a flat earther but I reject the popular circular model. I used to promote it until I found out it doesn't work, for many reasons. Therefore I can say I am a flat earther without a model I can prove, and I am o k with this. We are somehow able to traverse the earth (E to W and W to E only) and find ourselves back in the same place, and one would assume it is because we are moving in a circle (both Globe and circular Flat earthers believe this, although with differences in how), however I don't find the obvious assumption a necessity. Somehow it is a circuit of some kind, but nothing I can prove. I suspect (but again, cannot prove) that the vision given in the Book of Enoch is the correct view.

ARE FLAT EARTHERS CRAZY?

I received the same "globe" and "solar system" education as everyone who grows up in the West. I took it by faith that I wasn't being lied to, and by convenience because (the premise) fit into my viewing entertainment (science fiction films and books). That being said, although it is supposed to be "common knowledge" (hammered into us in so many ways, including the hypnotic spinning globe on news media, at the beginning of films etc), I always was curious about things in the Globe model that didn't make sense or contradicted each other. I found some flat earth literature and films very intriguing (and disturbing), and eventually had to admit I didn't believe in the Globe model, and that the earth is most likely a plane, while also rejecting the proposed model (the circular model or AE model) that usually accompanies these beliefs.
 

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This thread (originally posted as a question @NathanH83) was posted to an area of the forum I cannot post at, and as (I suspect) I am the only Flat Earther here I shall attempt to answer the question. I am a Deist, although I have a Christian background, and I share some beliefs with Christians, and some marked differences as well.

From a Biblical perspective, there is no where in the bible that supports these concepts:

1) The earth is a sphere ("the circle of the earth" - doesn't mean sphere, and the Hebrew word for circle here is "circuit", again not designating shape)

2) The earth moves

3) The earth orbits a star, or the sun. The bible does mention the sun moving (and stopping), but not the earth. Outside of direct reference, there is the indirect. Sun worship is a major feature of pagan religion and condemned by the Biblical God, and what an irony that would be if He Tailored his Earth to be a mere planet among planets all dancing around the sun.

4) Stars as planets, or suns. According to the bible, they are likened to living beings (Job 38:7), not planets and not suns. The stars also fall to the earth in the book of Revelation.

5) The moon being a reflector of the Sun. According to the bible, the moon gives it's own light.

6) The moon being over 200k miles away from earth. Next time you examine the moon on a semi cloudy night, observe how it's light illuminates close clouds, and ask yourself how this is possible unless the clouds are also 200k miles away, or if the moon reflects it's light collectively upon close clouds.

7) "Outer space". This concept is nowhere supported in the Bible. The opposite is supported. Earth has a firmament. Above the firmament is water (Psalm 148:4). This is the true reason why the sky is blue.

Those are 7 Biblical reasons I can think of off the top of my head.

Other reasons include:

The properties of water. The surface of water does not bend or curve around objects when it is at rest, or relative rest. There is not a single example I know of where the surface of resting water curves. Yet we are to believe this is the case for the Globe/Sphere model. By the magic of "gravity".

True flat eathers, btw, do not believe in "Gravity", rather they explain the up or down tendency of objects according to their relative densities. A helium balloon will float in air and a human will sink, but a large enough hot air balloon will rise and carry a human up into the sky. Relative density is what is at play here, no gravity required.

Proven "space" fakery. Nasa and other so called space agencies have been caught many times faking space footage. There is no real need to do this unless they've never been there or space itself is fake.

REGARDING THE FLAT EARTH MODEL

I am a flat earther but I reject the popular circular model. I used to promote it until I found out it doesn't work, for many reasons. Therefore I can say I am a flat earther without a model I can prove, and I am o k with this. We are somehow able to traverse the earth (E to W and W to E only) and find ourselves back in the same place, and one would assume it is because we are moving in a circle (both Globe and circular Flat earthers believe this, although with differences in how), however I don't find the obvious assumption a necessity. Somehow it is a circuit of some kind, but nothing I can prove. I suspect (but again, cannot prove) that the vision given in the Book of Enoch is the correct view.

ARE FLAT EARTHERS CRAZY?

I received the same "globe" and "solar system" education as everyone who grows up in the West. I took it by faith that I wasn't being lied to, and by convenience because (the premise) fit into my viewing entertainment (science fiction films and books). That being said, although it is supposed to be "common knowledge" (hammered into us in so many ways, including the hypnotic spinning globe on news media, at the beginning of films etc), I always was curious about things in the Globe model that didn't make sense or contradicted each other. I found some flat earth literature and films very intriguing (and disturbing), and eventually had to admit I didn't believe in the Globe model, and that the earth is most likely a plane, while also rejecting the proposed model (the circular model or AE model) that usually accompanies these beliefs.
Why then are eyes spherical in order to see color bend according to light spectrums.
How do flat earthers describe refraction and reflection with a 2 dimensional understanding.

How do flat earthers explain The Rainbow of promise.?
 

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Why then are eyes spherical in order to see color bend according to light spectrums.
How do flat earthers describe refraction and reflection with a 2 dimensional understanding.

How do flat earthers explain The Rainbow of promise.?

I can't see how any of your questions lend evidence to either a globe or plane.

By the way, a rainbow can be seen in lawn sprinklers if one is standing/looking at it the right way. Does this prove anything about the shape of the earth?
 

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I can't see how any of your questions lend evidence to either a globe or plane.

By the way, a rainbow can be seen in lawn sprinklers if one is standing/looking at it the right way. Does this prove anything about the shape of the earth?
Yes,
The sprinkler is an ark while the ground is a plain.
Angles are called axis in math.

It's how the computers work so that you and I are able to communicate.
 

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I can't see how any of your questions lend evidence to either a globe or plane.

By the way, a rainbow can be seen in lawn sprinklers if one is standing/looking at it the right way. Does this prove anything about the shape of the earth?
Are you a suscriber/promoter of Nathan's youtube channel?

Yes or No will suffices
 

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The sprinkler is an ark while the ground is a plain.
Angles are called axis in math.

It's how the computers work so that you and I are able to communicate.

The firmament may be the ark you are looking for. The stars move along a bending path. The explanation for this is that something is curved. Globe believers assume it's the ground they stand on relative to the sky. Flat earthers (especially bible believing flat earthers) are much more likely to believe it is the firmament that is curved.
 

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Are you a suscriber/promoter of Nathan's youtube channel?

Yes or No will suffices

I can't answer as I don't know of or follow a Nathan on youtube.
 

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The firmament may be the ark you are looking for. The stars move along a bending path. The explanation for this is that something is curved. Globe believers assume it's the ground they stand on relative to the sky. Flat earthers (especially bible believing flat earthers) are much more likely to believe it is the firmament that is curved.
If the firmament is curved, how then is the earth flat?
 

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If the firmament is curved, how then is the earth flat?

Flat earthers refer to the part we stand on, on the whole (obviously allowing for hills, valleys, mountains etc) as flat, not the sky.
 

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I have merged these 2 threads together.
 

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This thread (originally posted as a question @NathanH83) was posted to an area of the forum I cannot post at, and as (I suspect) I am the only Flat Earther here I shall attempt to answer the question. I am a Deist, although I have a Christian background, and I share some beliefs with Christians, and some marked differences as well.

From a Biblical perspective, there is no where in the bible that supports these concepts:

1) The earth is a sphere ("the circle of the earth" - doesn't mean sphere, and the Hebrew word for circle here is "circuit", again not designating shape)

2) The earth moves

3) The earth orbits a star, or the sun. The bible does mention the sun moving (and stopping), but not the earth. Outside of direct reference, there is the indirect. Sun worship is a major feature of pagan religion and condemned by the Biblical God, and what an irony that would be if He Tailored his Earth to be a mere planet among planets all dancing around the sun.

4) Stars as planets, or suns. According to the bible, they are likened to living beings (Job 38:7), not planets and not suns. The stars also fall to the earth in the book of Revelation.

5) The moon being a reflector of the Sun. According to the bible, the moon gives it's own light.

6) The moon being over 200k miles away from earth. Next time you examine the moon on a semi cloudy night, observe how it's light illuminates close clouds, and ask yourself how this is possible unless the clouds are also 200k miles away, or if the moon reflects it's light collectively upon close clouds.

7) "Outer space". This concept is nowhere supported in the Bible. The opposite is supported. Earth has a firmament. Above the firmament is water (Psalm 148:4). This is the true reason why the sky is blue.

Those are 7 Biblical reasons I can think of off the top of my head.

Other reasons include:

The properties of water. The surface of water does not bend or curve around objects when it is at rest, or relative rest. There is not a single example I know of where the surface of resting water curves. Yet we are to believe this is the case for the Globe/Sphere model. By the magic of "gravity".

True flat eathers, btw, do not believe in "Gravity", rather they explain the up or down tendency of objects according to their relative densities. A helium balloon will float in air and a human will sink, but a large enough hot air balloon will rise and carry a human up into the sky. Relative density is what is at play here, no gravity required.

Proven "space" fakery. Nasa and other so called space agencies have been caught many times faking space footage. There is no real need to do this unless they've never been there or space itself is fake.

REGARDING THE FLAT EARTH MODEL

I am a flat earther but I reject the popular circular model. I used to promote it until I found out it doesn't work, for many reasons. Therefore I can say I am a flat earther without a model I can prove, and I am o k with this. We are somehow able to traverse the earth (E to W and W to E only) and find ourselves back in the same place, and one would assume it is because we are moving in a circle (both Globe and circular Flat earthers believe this, although with differences in how), however I don't find the obvious assumption a necessity. Somehow it is a circuit of some kind, but nothing I can prove. I suspect (but again, cannot prove) that the vision given in the Book of Enoch is the correct view.

ARE FLAT EARTHERS CRAZY?

I received the same "globe" and "solar system" education as everyone who grows up in the West. I took it by faith that I wasn't being lied to, and by convenience because (the premise) fit into my viewing entertainment (science fiction films and books). That being said, although it is supposed to be "common knowledge" (hammered into us in so many ways, including the hypnotic spinning globe on news media, at the beginning of films etc), I always was curious about things in the Globe model that didn't make sense or contradicted each other. I found some flat earth literature and films very intriguing (and disturbing), and eventually had to admit I didn't believe in the Globe model, and that the earth is most likely a plane, while also rejecting the proposed model (the circular model or AE model) that usually accompanies these beliefs.
Well (deep subject)
You mentioned th Sun moving
Is geocentricity an option. I am a little too busy preaching Jesus to get involved.
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I talked to a few Flat Earthers. The bottom line is that anything, no matter how outrageous, that supports the flat earth theory is true. And anything that shows the earth is a sphere is either a conspiracy, fake, or an outright lie.

For instance. These pictures taken from a training manual dated 1953 from the U.S. Navy call "Fire Control Fundamentals" shows that if you were being trained as a gunnery officer on a battleship you had to take into account the curvature of the earth and the rotation of the earth for long range targets. Flat Earthers dismiss this type of thing as false/fake, even though it is well documented and was standard training for gunnery officers for decades. Of course, the computer programs that control guided missiles now have to account for the same factors in our modern military.

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