Diversity doesn't mean equality at all.

[Bouan Philippe]

How thoughtful of you to think we need your teaching here on this forum...we've seen many come and go who feel that they need to come here and teach but none of it is biblical so they don't last long.

Please don't promote race superiority on this site.

This comment has no relevance at all.

China will soon be conquered, invaded, and subjugated, whether you like it or not.

No offence to David Lammy who is not from China, but he has been asked to mediate this conversation by the brutal dictatorship in the PRC.

However, I regret that it's not David Lammy's writing because the grammatical style is foreign and not the Queen's English at all.

PS. The Teachings of Christ are perfect, inerrant and infallible according to John 7:16 & 12:49, but only heathens and Non-Christians would try to refute the Gospel of John, because they are clearly inferior and not Christian at all. As far as exegesis goes, Christ has superior authority over the CPC of China. Consequently, this exegesis is still correct, whether you like it or not.

I'll bet you this conversation wouldn't be moderated at all if it was a Francophone forum, because the French are clearly not afraid of the PRC.

 

[Lamb]

I have moved this thread to the World Religion & Speculative Theology Forum.

 

[Bouan Philippe]

I have moved this thread to the World Religion & Speculative Theology Forum.

Are you saying it is outside the bounds of Christian theology?

 

[Lamb]

Are you saying it is outside the bounds of Christian theology?

Your threads are speculative so this forum is a better fit.

 

[Bouan Philippe]

Your threads are speculative so this forum is a better fit.

To say that it's "speculative" means that you've already questioned God's authority and his knowledge of the Bible.

Also, it means that the UK is afraid of China to have been bullied into submission by a worthless useless developing country.

 

[FredVB]

Equality is still desirable for the rights of all. While the Bible emphasizes responsibilities, fairness was a value shown in it.

 

[Bouan Philippe]

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[Bouan Philippe]

Equality is still desirable for the rights of all. While the Bible emphasizes responsibilities, fairness was a value shown in it.

Obviously, I reject this comment due to its biased, partisan, and one-sided attempt at historical revisionism.

Rights and responsibilities presupposes the existence of a social contract and power relationship between the State and its citizens.

Therefore, the rights of citizens are always conditional and cannot exceed the inherent responsibilities.

It is assumed that the social contract can be breached by either party, for it is not only the citizens who can breach their social contract with the State, but the latter can also be a transgressor of the social contract.

Where there is a breach of contract there are sufficient grounds to end the relationship between the State and those individuals concerned, such as by the process of deportation or by the voluntary expatriation of the individuals concerned.

Example: The Jews who escaped the Holocaust subsequently enlisted in the British army or the US army to fight against the Nazis during WW2.

Obviously, retaliation was a key and vital ingredient in this process of realignment to another country.

The extent of retaliation and harm they could inflict clearly depended on their seniority within the army, but I suspect that none of the Holocaust survivors would've attained sufficient seniority within the US army to cause real and significant harm to the Nazi regime.

But your comment presupposes that there is no alternative solution to an oppressive State, except to reconcile with them, which I obviously disagree. As attested by the Holocaust survivors during WW2.

Besides, the question of rights and responsibilities you've also mentioned the value of fairness within the Scripture, but it is ultimately God who decides what is fair, and what is not.

Consequently, if God decided that retaliation is the most suitable response to an oppressive state, then there is no power on earth which can prevent the ultimate destruction of this country in accordance with the Scripture (Matthew 25:41 & Romans 9:22).

 

[Hezekiah]

Funny thing is that God has always sought the marginalized and the outcasts of society to fulfill His Word. Beginning with Abraham, whose descendants became an ethnic minority ( an oppressed and enslaved class) in Egypt, we see in the Bible countless examples of people being blessed on account of God's grace alone. That grace was never limited to the Israelites, as Rahab the Canaanite, Ruth the Moabite and even Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon and Cyrus of Persia proved in ancient times.

God is indeed Sovereign and His authority over the souls of all mankind is absolute, regardless of melanin content. As there is a current explosion of Christianity in Africa and Asia, we who come from more traditionally Christian nations might find ourselves in for a minor shock when we do see the sheer number of the resurrected bodies of redeemed non- European souls who have been covered by the sacred Blood of Christ.

Thinking also on Jesus Christ's own attitude toward people such as women, Samaritans, Roman centurions, Syro- Phoenicians and the outcasts of Judean society tells me also that He is unbound by cultural prejudices. He isn't overly tolerant of the intolerant, as His monologues to the Pharisees proved. His Kingdom is not of this world and our own cultural expectations will be rendered meaningless when the Lord does return.

 

[corman767]

God created ALL peoples.

Yes He did. But, He never intended for them all to mix and come together as was the case in ancient Babylon, and is the case in modern-day America.


Acts 17:26 says, "For God hath made of human blood all nationalities of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation."

 

[tango]

Yes He did. But, He never intended for them all to mix and come together as was the case in ancient Babylon, and is the case in modern-day America.


Acts 17:26 says, "For God hath made of human blood all nationalities of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation."

Seriously?

It's a shame God didn't think to mention his plan to anyone earlier. You know, he sent a few prophets who he apparently forgot to tell, and then there was that Jesus dude who said a lot of good stuff but apparently forgot to say different people should stay apart (while he himself went into Samaria and talked to the woman at the well.... oops).

It's a good job you're here on the internet to tell us all the things God forgot to say.

 

[corman767]

Seriously?

It's a shame God didn't think to mention his plan to anyone earlier. You know, he sent a few prophets who he apparently forgot to tell, and then there was that Jesus dude who said a lot of good stuff but apparently forgot to say different people should stay apart (while he himself went into Samaria and talked to the woman at the well.... oops).

It's a good job you're here on the internet to tell us all the things God forgot to say.

If diversity were a good thing, America would be heaven-on-earth today. It is instead a lawless hell-hole of a nation that's under the judgment of God.

Though sadly, most Americans who call themselves "Christian" wouldn't recognize God's judgment if it hit them in the face.

 

[Cassia]

If diversity were a good thing, America would be heaven-on-earth today. It is instead a lawless hell-hole of a nation that's under the judgment of God.

Though sadly, most Americans who call themselves "Christian" wouldn't recognize God's judgment if it hit them in the face.

well don’t feel bad, the apt above the meth lab is getting as much fumes to go from bad to worser, thanx for the updraft ... not

 

[tango]

If diversity were a good thing, America would be heaven-on-earth today. It is instead a lawless hell-hole of a nation that's under the judgment of God.

Though sadly, most Americans who call themselves "Christian" wouldn't recognize God's judgment if it hit them in the face.

Er.... OK.

I don't suppose you ever considered the chance that there's more to a situation than the level of pigmentation in someone's skin?

 

[atpollard]

Therefore, some countries will always be bigger than others in terms of the size of their population.

This is a flawed conclusion. The new Heaven and Earth will be centered on a giant cube too big for human construction (the ISS would crash into it). God lives in the center of this cube and is the source of light for the multitude that dwell with him in this great city.

That does not describe an Earth with continents and countries like we currently have. God will do something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. As different from our fallen world as our world is different from the Garden of Eden.

 

[BohemianBrother]

If diversity were a good thing, America would be heaven-on-earth today. It is instead a lawless hell-hole of a nation that's under the judgment of God.

If homogeneousness were a good thing, then surely North Korea would be the second Eden.

 

[Pedrito]

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In fairness to Bouan Philippe, we should note that his initial post took the form of a "Green Paper" rather than a "White Paper".

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[FredVB]

Obviously, I reject this comment due to its biased, partisan, and one-sided attempt at historical revisionism.

Rights and responsibilities presupposes the existence of a social contract and power relationship between the State and its citizens.

Therefore, the rights of citizens are always conditional and cannot exceed the inherent responsibilities.

It is assumed that the social contract can be breached by either party, for it is not only the citizens who can breach their social contract with the State, but the latter can also be a transgressor of the social contract.

Where there is a breach of contract there are sufficient grounds to end the relationship between the State and those individuals concerned, such as by the process of deportation or by the voluntary expatriation of the individuals concerned.

Example: The Jews who escaped the Holocaust subsequently enlisted in the British army or the US army to fight against the Nazis during WW2.

Obviously, retaliation was a key and vital ingredient in this process of realignment to another country.

The extent of retaliation and harm they could inflict clearly depended on their seniority within the army, but I suspect that none of the Holocaust survivors would've attained sufficient seniority within the US army to cause real and significant harm to the Nazi regime.

But your comment presupposes that there is no alternative solution to an oppressive State, except to reconcile with them, which I obviously disagree. As attested by the Holocaust survivors during WW2.

Besides, the question of rights and responsibilities you've also mentioned the value of fairness within the Scripture, but it is ultimately God who decides what is fair, and what is not.

Consequently, if God decided that retaliation is the most suitable response to an oppressive state, then there is no power on earth which can prevent the ultimate destruction of this country in accordance with the Scripture (Matthew 25:41 & Romans 9:22).

I think there is lack of biblical support for that position. I find the biblical basis that Yahweh is love and cares for all, as the Creator. The premise of ethnic groups continuing in eternity is flawed, though. We who are redeemed will come to have a new identity. There is no basis to say the ethnic groups of this world will continue as they are, we will all be shining.

 

[Fritz Kobus]

Diversity as commonly though of in woke culture is nonsense. Who cares if a church is diverse? Rather it should be faithful to the Word. The verse on all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues is simply reflecting the fact that the gospel knows no barriers of nationality, color, etc. It goes where the Spirit sends it.

Nobody should have a goal to make a church or any other organization diverse (of people types). Preach to all, accept all who receive the message.

 

[Nomad]

Sorry, I have to say this but I don't agree with the arguments presented by the OP. Christianity is not the religion of the White people because Jesus was not white. He was born in western Asia, which is the land of brown people. When Christianity developed, the current political map was not in existence. Therefore, you can not say "Africa, Asia, and Latin America may well end up with far fewer people than Europe and North America in the new heaven and earth."
The Bible does not talk about a lot of things.