Did Jesus celebrate the Holiday that commemorates the Maccabees?

[pinacled]

Do you recall how many steps to the temple there are given in vision to ezekiel?

Imagine the 45 steps of wisdom likened to the layers of a pearl.
Then imagine the sands numbered like stars .

A constant course to remind us of The Lords mercy

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

Except for the fact there is no evidence.


Since Paul does not specifically name any Jewish fable in order to warned his readers, your claim proves nothing concerning Judith. Just another example wishful thinking on your part.


My point is simple. Any view put forward requires objective evidence. You have made several historical claim but cannot provide any primary sources for those claims and you have been ask repeatedly. Therefore you have zero evidence to support your view. If there were evidence, you would have provided it by now.

Math is a scabherd to The Sword
Of Truth

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

Math is a scabherd to The Sword
Of Truth

Blessings Always

Jewish fables are about man and beast being the same like two garments woven together.

Fable

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

 

[pinacled]

100%

0 percent.
A convicted catholic that loves as the Lord commands would know better than to confess to an Andrew preist .

They would also recognize and ignore the crescendo of universality

 

[pinacled]

I was raised Catholic and I had no idea who this guy was until about 2 years ago.
But yeah the Catholic Church believes he was a "Pope" which is latin for father, no church father claimed to be the vicor of Jesus, are you trying to say that the phrase early Church Fathers means the same thing as Pontifus Maximus? Because it isnt, just in case that's what your getting at

Yet you ignore scripture.

Strange?

 

[pinacled]

Imagine the 45 steps of wisdom likened to the layers of a pearl.
Then imagine the sands numbered like stars .

A constant course to remind us of The Lords mercy

Blessings Always

With 45 steps of wisdom a person will find 90 steps when entering the Lords presence.
With 9 fruits of the spirit they'll learn of wisdom counted among the stars.
7 weeks left clean for 3 yrs before trees are to be gleaned

Oh,
And for the mathematicians
360 is not a full circle

 

[pinacled]

Quite a calm storm of silence

 

[Andrew]

A list of Jewish fables

Jewish fables and tales - Shtetl Routes - NN Theatre

In Yiddish there is a word majse, describing both a fairy tale, and a tale, a story. The same word in Hebrew (pronounced differently – maase) has a broader meaning and derives from verb asa – to act, to make, to create. This verb is used to describe the creation of the world by God. Therefore...

shtetlroutes.eu

 

[Andrew]

Why are these ancient Jewish tombstones inscribed in Greek?

Some Characteristics of Jewish Epitaphs in Ancient Rome - International Catacomb Society

Excerpt from E. Brettman, Vaults of Memory: The Roman Jewish Catacombs and their Context in the Ancient Mediterranean World, rev. ed., A. Hirschfeld, F. Wolsky, & J. Dello Russo (1991-2017) on the names and possible geographic origins of Jews in Late Ancient Rome as evinced from epigraphic...

www.catacombsociety.org

 

[Origen]

The book of Hebrews is not a primary source??????

I have already cover this information in your other thread. A New Testament author may quote a source without accepting it as Scripture. There is more than one example found in the N.T. to prove the point. Thus even if it is a reference to 2 Maccabees that does not prove the author accepted it as Scripture.

It makes more sense to me that the early church accepted these books because the disciples did.

Merely because it makes sense to you cannot negate the fact there zero evidence to support your claim.

YOUR claim is that the disciples rejected these books as scripture...and yet for some magical reason, the church decided to stick them in the Bible????
That’s just laughable. You actually believe that?

Since I NEVER made that claim or any other on the matter so the joke is on you.

 

[Josiah]

It's not pure fantasy to suggest

... but it's entirely unrelated to such thereby being true. It's not "pure fantasy" to SUGGEST that there might be life on Venus.... but that's completely unrelated to it thus being TRUE that there is life on Venus. You seem to be confusing what YOU singularly and currently consider "not pure fantasy: with fact.

the reason the early Christians accepted Maccabees

You seem to have this idea that if you can type something - over and over and over and over, in thread after thread - ergo it's true. Pretty silly.


You have NEVER supplied ANYTHING that shows that all Christians from 33-300 AD accepted at least one of the books with the word "Maccabees" in the moniker to be canonical, inerrant, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture). You just keep typing the baseless claim.

Think about how Clement mentioned Judith in his letter from the church in Rome to the church in Corinth.

My pastor mentioned Snoppy in a sermon. Does that mean that THEREFORE all Peanuts cartoons are accepted by all Christians as The inerrant, canonical, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture) and must appear in all tomes with "BIBLE" written on the front? THINK.


He also mentioned the Epistle of Barnabas and the Apocalpse of Peter - calling both "SCRIPTURE"

And if you listen to almost any "Evangelical" preacher today, they are likely to mention MANY various books, movies, TV shows, songs... if an individual Christian minister mentions something, is it therefore the inerrant, canonical, divinely-inscripturated words of God equal to the Books of Moses or Paul's epistle to the Romans?

of course there were some early church fathers who said those books don’t belong

Yup.....




Now, back to your claim: That one of the Maccabee books MUST be the inerrant, canonical, divinely-inscripturated words of God BECAUSE it's one of the books that records an historical event which Jews even today celebrate.

You've presented NOTHING to substantiate it. You just keep posting that all JEws and Christians accepted it as Scripture so it was Scripture.

YES, Jesus and all Jews today celebrate an event which many books (including at least one of the books with "Maccabees" in the moniker) record. Yup. No one doubts that. I had a Jewish friend in college who celebrated that event. Now, How does the reality that many Jews celebrate an event PROVE that every history book that mentions that event THEREFORE must be The inerrant, canonical, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture) and must be seen as such by Christians and in every tome with "BIBLE' on the cover? How does the reality that Jesus and my friend David celebrate the event prove that books that speak of that event MUST therefore be canon Scripture? Brother, it seems to me that an historical event can be true WITHOUT it being mandated that all accept any book that mentions it as therefore be accepted as the inerrant, canonical, divinely-inscripturated words of God, and it being mandated to be in every tome with "BIBLE" written on the cover or used by Jews or Christians.






.

 

[NathanH83]

Why are these ancient Jewish tombstones inscribed in Greek?

Some Characteristics of Jewish Epitaphs in Ancient Rome - International Catacomb Society

Excerpt from E. Brettman, Vaults of Memory: The Roman Jewish Catacombs and their Context in the Ancient Mediterranean World, rev. ed., A. Hirschfeld, F. Wolsky, & J. Dello Russo (1991-2017) on the names and possible geographic origins of Jews in Late Ancient Rome as evinced from epigraphic...

www.catacombsociety.org

Probably the same reason many Jewish tombstones today are inscribed in English. It’s the dominant language today.

 

[NathanH83]

I have already cover this information in your other thread. A New Testament author may quote a source without accepting it as Scripture. There is more than one example found in the N.T. to prove the point. Thus even if it is a reference to 2 Maccabees that does not prove the author accepted it as Scripture.


Merely because it makes sense to you cannot negate the fact there zero evidence to support your claim.


Since I NEVER made that claim or any other on the matter so the joke is on you.

I’ve always gotten the impression that Hebrews 11 is referencing biblical history.
Everything else in Hebrews 11 is from the Bible, but we’re going to cherry pick out this one section of a verse and say that’s “just history” even everything else in the chapter comes from scripture?

That’s illogical and dishonest. The context implies that it’s Biblical history.

 

[Origen]

Everything else in Hebrews 11 is from the Bible

Really EVERYTHING!!! "They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were killed with the sword." Cite the passage for the section in bold.

That’s illogical and dishonest. The context implies that it’s Biblical history.

Opinions without evidence are pure peculation. So again I point out that a New Testament author may quote a source without accepting it as Scripture. There is more than one example found in the N.T. to prove the point. Thus even if it is a reference to 2 Maccabees that does not prove the author accepted it as Scripture. Nothing you have said demonstrate any part of the above to be false.

 

[Andrew]

You have NEVER supplied ANYTHING that shows that all Christians from 33-300 AD accepted at least one of the books with the word "Maccabees" in the moniker to be canonical, inerrant, divinely-inscripturated words of God (Scripture). You just keep typing the baseless claim.


.

BASELESS???

Hey Josiah, how did any of the books of Maccabees make it into our Bibles if the Christians rejected it?

Hey Josiah, how did any of the books of Maccabees make it into our Bibles if the Christians rejected it?

Hey Josiah, how did any of the books of Maccabees make it into our Bibles if the Christians rejected it?

Hey Josiah, how did any of the books of Maccabees make it into our Bibles if the Christians rejected it?

 

[Origen]

BASELESS???

Hey Josiah, how did any of the books of Maccabees make it into our Bibles if the Christians rejected it?

How would that help your claims?

 

[Andrew]

Probably the same reason many Jewish tombstones today are inscribed in English. It’s the dominant language today.

bUt i tHot aLL jEws bAcK tHeN sPokE oNLy hEbroO

 

[Andrew]

How would that help your claims?

Because you and Josiah claim that they weren't accepted by the early Christians

Funny how you two cannot answer the question I have repeated over and over throughout the thread

Still waiting

 

[Origen]

Because you and Josiah claim that they weren't accepted by the early Christians

No that is not what I said. I have repeatedly said some did and some did not. Clearly you are unwilling or unable to get even that simple fact right.

Funny how you two cannot answer the question I have repeated over and over throughout the thread

The reason is because it does not matter. Whatever my view might be that would in no way change the fact you have no primary sources to support several of your claims. I asked for primary sources but neither of you are able to provide them. That is on you not me.

I did not create this thread. It is incumbent those who wish to defend it to support their views. My only obligation is be fair and I find no reason to believe asking for evidence and then pointing out there is no evidence is in anyway unfair.

 

[Andrew]

No that is not what I said. I have repeatedly said some did and some did not. Clearly you are unwilling or unable to get even that simple fact right.


The reason is because it does not matter. Whatever my view might be that would in no way change the fact you have no primary sources to support several of your claims. I asked for primary sources but neither of you are able to provide them. That is on you not me.

I did not create this thread. It is incumbent those who wish to defend it to support their views. My only obligation is be fair and I find no reason to believe asking for evidence and then pointing out there is no evidence is in anyway unfair.

Apparently they all did accept them