Was the blood moon experience a disappointment?

[Hammster]

Others here I seem to get along with fine, perhaps you should quit pressing so hard on people and say what you mean without the sharp comments

Pretend I'm not even in the picture. Tango and MC have been trying to get the same info. What's your excuse for ignoring them?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Pretend I'm not even in the picture. Tango and MC have been trying to get the same info. What's your excuse for ignoring them?

I'm not asking for any information. My posts are mainly statements about what I think of "blood moon" theology.

 

[Hammster]

I'm not asking for any information. My posts are mainly statements about what I think of "blood moon" theology.

Then scratch your name off of my last post.

 

[tango]

Have to understand the Hebrew mind set first before the recent blood moons have any meaning to the scriptures I could give you.

Honestly, if you want to present Scriptures when it isn't apparent why/how/whether they are relevant isn't it reasonable to ask that you also explain why you believe them to be relevant? If an understanding of a particular mindset or historical consideration is required, explain it along with presenting the Scriptures.

 

[visionary]

Honestly, if you want to present Scriptures when it isn't apparent why/how/whether they are relevant isn't it reasonable to ask that you also explain why you believe them to be relevant? If an understanding of a particular mindset or historical consideration is required, explain it along with presenting the Scriptures.

It is hard to explain if the person doesn't want to hear it. Second, giving the explanations doesn't help when the source is ridiculed like "hebrew mindset".

There is s much study that goes into the value of "signs and seasons".

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years

It is like explaining the woman in Revelation with the crown of stars is not symbolic as it is a time when that is the sign of in the heavens happens. It is like explaining that in synagogues they use to have the Mazzaroth. Mazzaroth is the Hebrew word for constellations. The primary use of the astronomical bodies is for calculating times and seasons and to serve as signs. The menorah consisted of seven candles, corresponding to the seven “moving stars” [from our earthly perspective]– the sun, the moon, and the five planets closest to the earth. Arranged upon the Table were twelve loaves of showbread, corresponding to the twelve constellations used as astrological signs of the Mazzaroth. Do not confuse this with astrology which makes it personal. It is not. It is the story of redemption written in the signs and seasons [pattern in which the stars, sun, and moon follow of the course of time].

Job 38:31 Can you bind the beautiful Pleiades? Can you loose the cords of Orion? Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up [God’s] dominion over the earth?

What is God's purpose for the heavenly planets, alignments, sun, moon and stars?

Genesis 1:14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, And let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. God made two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, To govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the fourth day.

Season ....

Strong's 4150 mow`ed, mo-ade’; or mo`ed, mo-ade’; or (fem.) mow`adah (2 Chron. 8:13), mo-aw-daw’; from 3259; prop. an appointment, i.e. a fixed time or season; spec. a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting also a signal (as appointed beforehand):-appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn (-ity), synagogue, (set) time (appointed).

You can find all of the feasts of the Lord in Lev 23 and they are all cyclic around the Sun, Stars, and Moon. God planted all the cycles of planets, stars, and our sun and moon with precision, purpose, and appointed times to teach us about His appointed times.

Psalms 19:1-6 {For the director of music. A psalm of David.} The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. In the heavens he has pitched a tent for the sun, Which is like a bridegroom coming forth from his pavilion, like a champion rejoicing to run his course. It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is hidden from its heat.

There is much more to understand.

Psalms 97:1-6 God reigns, let the earth be glad; let the distant shores rejoice. Clouds and thick darkness surround him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne. Fire goes before him and consumes his foes on every side. His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles. The mountains melt like wax before HaShem, before the Lord of all the earth. The heavens proclaim his righteousness, and all the peoples see his glory.

Notice that the heavens and the earth are witnesses against us by declaring His righteousness and we are suppose to see what the heavens are declaring as it is to His Glory. Proclaim

5046 nagad, naw-gad’; a prim. root; prop. to front, i.e. stand boldly out opposite; by impl. (causat.), to manifest; fig. to announce (always by word of mouth to one present); spec. to expose, predict, explain, praise:-bewray, X certainly, certify, declare (-ing), denounce, expound, X fully, messenger, plainly, profess, rehearse, report, shew (forth), speak, X surely, tell, utter.

This doesn't mean we are to worship the messenger. Only God gets this honor.

Deuteronomy 4:14 And God directed me at that time to teach you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess. You saw no form of any kind the day God spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, So that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, Or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, Or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars--all the heavenly array--do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.

In this verse there is also a warning. The “heavenly array” could also be translated the “heavenly army”. This is a military term! Think about Revelation and the things of heaven thrown down upon the wicked.

Isaiah 13:6-10 Wail, for the day of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty. Because of this, all hands will go limp, every man’s heart will melt. Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labor. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame. See, the day of the Lord is coming--a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger--to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it. The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.

Constellation

3685 Keciyl, kes-eel’; the same as 3684; any notable constellation; spec. Orion (as if a burly one):-constellation, Orion.

The Hebrew mindset considers all this like another book to learn and know the will of God. The Hebrew word Mazal, which literally means the astrological sign which comes from the stars, has been said to really be composed of three words: makom, z’man, limmud, being in the right place at the right time and knowing how to utilize those opportunities. Constellation order, birth order, numerical order, and alphabet order are all part of understanding the connection. There is one tribe in particular that made it their study to know the stars.

Chronicles 12:33 of the Issacharites, men who knew how to interpret the signs of the times, to determine how Israel should act; their chiefs were 200, and all their kinsmen followed them

And we know that there were three "wise" men from the east who obviously knew how to read the stars and what it meant.

 

[Brighten04]

Since signs in the heavens are of the things we are expected to see in the last days, I fail to understand all of this denying by people of the Kingdom. Read Luke 21.Out of the mouth of Lord Jesus Himself came
Luke 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

You cannot get any more scriptural than that.

 

[visionary]

Since signs in the heavens are of the things we are expected to see in the last days, I fail to understand all of this denying by people of the Kingdom. Read Luke 21.Out of the mouth of Lord Jesus Himself came
Luke 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

You cannot get any more scriptural than that.

Here is another aspect to the Hebrew mindset that plays a role in how the triad are seen. This Tetrad is even more unusual because there is a solar eclipse in the mix. When the last Tetrad occurred in 1967 Israel had the Six Day war. Israel considers blood moons to be an omen of war and when there is a solar eclipse it’s an omen of war for the other 70 nations. The only blood moon over Israel was the last one in Sept 2015. Because it fell on the time of the Jubilee, they are looking for a release from the current threats that surround them.

 

[visionary]

Revelation 12:13 Behold I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

What did He mean, coming quickly? It’s been 2000 years. With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

2 Peter 3:8 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

The prophet Daniel said

Daniel 9:26 The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

Coming like a flood means events will speed up. Besides the blood moon, there were two lots of meteor showers in the northern hemisphere; October 5th-6th the Camelopardalids and October 6th-9th the Draconids (from Draco). This blood moon happened on the Jewish feast of Sukkot, which means “the in-gathering”. You might know it as the Feast of Tabernacles. Sukkot celebrates the fall harvest. It will be a time for the survivors of the nations to bow before the King (Zechariah 14:16). After the crops were gathered from the land God commanded a festival, where the Israelites were to take a bundle of branches from four different trees

Lev 23:40 On the first day, you must take for yourself a fruit of the citron tree, an unopened palm frond (lulav), myrtle branches, and willows [that grow near] the brook. You shall rejoice before God for seven days.

In John 7 Yeshua did not go to the Festival of Tabernacles at first. Jesus said to his brothers

“You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.” After he had said this, he stayed in Galilee. However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.

Yeshua has not yet fulfilled this Feast but the day is coming when He will.

When you combine the cycle of stars, moon, and sun and their meaning with the feasts the picture comes clearer. The 12 signs of the Mazzaroth tell the story of redemption and point towards the Messiah. Aries is one of the signs. Aries, the sign of the Lamb of God. As it is coming up around Passover. The Hebrew name is for Aries is Taleh, the lamb. The Arabic name is Al Hamal, the sheep, gentle, merciful. The ancient Akkadian name was Bara-ziggar. Bar means altar, or sacrifice; and ziggar means right making; so that the full name would be the sacrifice of righteousness. Its chief star, Passover Lamb (in the forehead), is named El Nath, or El Natik, which means wounded, slain. The next, (in the left horn), is called Al Sheratan, the bruised, the wounded. The next (near to Sheratan ), is called Mesarim (Hebrew), the bound. While this is common knowledge amongst the Hebrews, it means also the Yeshua knew from this sign and law and prophets the what, when, and how. He knew that it was written of Him.

 

[visionary]

The picture below is the wheel of the mazzaroth. This 6th century mosaic pavement in a synagogue, Beit Alpha, Israel The central register of each of the Sepphoris mosaics is decorated with a mazzaroth wheel, surrounded by personifications of the four seasons. Similar panels appeared over a three-hundred-year period, the earliest being an especially fine mosaic in the synagogue of Hammath Tiberias.

 

[visionary]

Since signs in the heavens are of the things we are expected to see in the last days, I fail to understand all of this denying by people of the Kingdom.

Luke 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

You cannot get any more scriptural than that.

Here is another aspect to the Hebrew mindset that plays a role in how the triad are seen. This Tetrad is even more unusual because there is a solar eclipse in the mix.

Joel 2:30 And I will show wonders in the heavens, and in the earth, blood and fire and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD

When the last Tetrad occurred in 1967 Israel had the Six Day war. Israel considers blood moons to be an omen of war and when there is a solar eclipse it’s an omen of war for the other 70 nations. The only blood moon over Israel was the last one in Sept 2015. Because it fell on the time of the Jubilee, they are looking for a release from the current threats that surround them.

Acts 2:19-20 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood, before that great and glorious Day of the Lord.

I believe that a great loss happened when the believers turned away from knowing what is foretold in the stars, moon, and sun. Think about the “sign of the Son of Man”.

Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

On August 27th Venus and Jupiter will come into conjunction, some call this "The Star of Bethlehem". This conjunction will happen in the constellation of Virgo when then Sun is in the midst of the constellation of Leo. This sign in the heavens will happen just 5 days before Yom Teruah (The Feast of the Trumpets) 2016. Trumpets are for announcements.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars

Here is a very cool, short video presentation that illustrates "The Star of Bethlehem" so you can compare the similarities of the heavenly portents when Yeshua came the first time and how they are going to appear when He returns for the bride in 2016.

http://www.askelm.com/video/real/xmas_star.htm

As you can see in the above presentation, in the year Yeshua was born the conjunction of Venus and Jupiter happened twice in the constellation of Leo. This time it will only happen once in the constellation of Virgo. Why is it going to happen in Virgo and not in Leo this time? I believe it is because it is signifying it is about Yeshua’s return for His betrothed virgin bride of covenant.

 

[Brighten04]

There are a lot of signs appearing in the heavens, but people do not look up. I mean there are a lot of people who do look up, but most don't give much thought to the command to look up.

 

[visionary]

The ancient understanding of the Mazzaroth is that Venus is The Bright and Morning Star.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Yeshua is seen represented as the Bright and Morning Star.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Scripture is full of statements that are related to understanding the signs and seasons found in the sun, moon, and stars. Ezekiel’s wheel within a wheel is the ancient Hebrew Mazzaroth. Each house of the twelve major constellations spans a time of exactly 2,160 years. In Yeshua's time, it was Pisces was in the house which has a symbol of two fish. Yeshua said His followers were "fishers of men". We are coming to the age of Aquarius. The birth of Yeshua coincided with the beginning of the Age of Pisces, the two fish, one pointing toward heaven and the other toward earth, which symbolized the propitiation of God and reconciliation of mankind to God through the offering of Our Hebrew King Yeshua on the Cross.

I am just as firmly convinced that there is some relationship between the breaking of the seals by Yeshua and the opening up of the correct understanding of the original intent of the Mazzaroth which the sudden interest in Blood moons and all that is connected to it is achieving. I think that most of the Revelation received by John is perfectly understood in light of the ancient Hebrew Mazzaroth’s original meaning and understanding. For example

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; (This will literally happen in the heavens in 2014 & 2015) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. (This happens every year in the fall, over Jerusalem, when most of the constellations are no longer visible above the horizon). And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; (The current Mazzaroth house is coming to an end and the new Mazzaroth house is just now beginning.) and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

I believe we are in for one earth shaking earthquake of unbelievable portions felt around the world.

 

[visionary]

September 23, 2017, Virgo is “clothed with the sun,” the moon will be under her feet, and above her head are 3 planets — Mercury, Mars, and Venus, which are in alignment with the star Regulus in Leo. The 9 stars of Leo and the 3 aligning planets will make the crown of 12 stars. Thus this alignment meets the criteria of the Revelation 12 sign and is similar to the 3 B.C. alignment (Rosh Hashanah September 11, year 3 B.C.). Interestingly enough this alignment occurs the day after the second day of Rosh Hashanah [Feast of Trumpets] on the day of Shabbat Shuvah — the Sabbath of Return. The last time this occurred was when Yeshua was born. Here is an excellent bible study into the day when Yeshua was born. http://biblelight.net/sukkoth.htm

 

[visionary]

Psalm 19:1 “THE HEAVENS declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth his handiwork."
Psalm 19:2 “Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night showeth knowledge.”
Psalm 19:3 "There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.”
Psalm 19:4 “Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun.”

"Their line" is the signs in the heavens at the horizon.

 

[visionary]

Luke 21:25 There shall be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars.

Aquarius in the Old Testament

That I will give rain to your land, the early and the late rains, that you may gather in your grain, your wine and your oil. And I will give grass in your fields for your cattle and you will eat and you will be satisfied.

We are in the time of the latter rains. We are entering into the age of Aquarius. "Age" when you read it in scripture "at the end of age" is talking about Mazzaroth sign changes. Yeshua was in the Aries age with His first coming.

Heb 9:26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the age to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

And again it is mentioned.

Matthew 28:20: “…I am with you always, to the end of the age” (NRSV)

Well, we are at the "end of age". The clock of ages in the heavens defines the human history in relationship to our Lord's appointed times. Yeshua came in the "fulness of time"

Galatians 4:4 But when at he fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,

It is the sun, moon, stars, feasts of the Lord that tell us when the "fullness of time" is. On the fourth day of Creation (actually re-creation), he put the clock of the ages in the heavens (Genesis 1:14-19). The tick marks on the clock are the constellations. There are twelve constellations that are separated by about 30 degrees each that form the 360 degrees of the clock. Every year at the Spring Equinox (Vernal Equinox) throughout human history people have looked up to see what constellation they are under. They discovered that about every 2150 years the constellation overhead slipped backward (clockwise) to the next one. The tilt of the earth on its axis results in the cycle of the precession of the equinoxes where one complete cycle is 25,800 years. The Equinox point moves backward along the zodiac clock at a rate of about one degree in 72 years, or one 30 degree sign in about 2150 years. When a new constellation is overhead it is time to reset the clocks and calendars; otherwise, over time, winter would come in July. When the age of Pisces appeared, the calendars were reset to 1 AD. Granted, the calendars weren't corrected until 525 AD when they were corrected to begin counting at the birth of Christ, but the birth of Christ was also the beginning of Pisces.

 

[visionary]

Yeshua spoke of the ages.

Matt 12:32 And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come.

The Greek word for age is aion, which refers to an age of time or eternity. It is sometimes translated, eon. The Mazzaroth clock for the age of time. Yeshua was the Savior at the appointed time to pay for the sins of the world.

Hebrews 9:25-26, NAS 25 nor was it that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood not his own. 26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

The "consummation of the ages" means that Yeshua, our Jewish Messiah, fulfilled His purpose specified in the Mazzaroth, tied to the appointed times found in the feasts, to be the Savior of the world.

 

[visionary]

1 Cor 2:7 but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom, which God predestined before the ages to our glory;

Before the Mazzaroth signs, the Lord set up His appointed plan mapped out in the constellations and by movement of the stars, moon, and sun predestined it to be full of the knowledge of His plan of salvation. It is the "sign of the times".

2 Esdras 9:1 He answered me and said, “Measure carefully in your mind, and when you see that some of the predicted signs have occurred, 2 then you will know that it is the very time when the Most High is about to visit the world that he has made. 3 So when there shall appear in the world earthquakes, tumult of peoples, intrigues of nations, wavering of leaders, confusion of princes, 4 then you will know that it was of these that the Most High spoke from the days that were of old, from the beginning. 5 For just as with everything that has occurred in the world, the beginning is evident,a and the end manifest; 6 so also are the times of the Most High: the beginnings are manifest in wonders and mighty works, and the end in penaltiesb and in signs.

In the Hebrew mindset, proof was in the skies.

Matt 16:1 The Pharisees and Sadducees came, and to test Jesusa they asked him to show them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered them, “When it is evening, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red.’ 3 And in the morning, ‘It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. 4 An evil and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah.” Then he left them and went away.

I don't think we should mistakenly believe we do not need to interpret the signs of the times.

 

[visionary]

Sirach 43 The Splendor of the Moon
6 It is the moon that marks the changing seasons,b
governing the times, their everlasting sign.
7 From the moon comes the sign for festal days,
a light that wanes when it completes its course.
8 The new moon, as its name suggests, renews itself;c
how marvelous it is in this change,
a beacon to the hosts on high,
shining in the vault of the heavens!
The Glory of the Stars and the Rainbow
9 The glory of the stars is the beauty of heaven,
a glittering array in the heights of the Lord.
10 On the orders of the Holy One they stand in their appointed places;
they never relax in their watches.
11 Look at the rainbow, and praise him who made it;
it is exceedingly beautiful in its brightness.
12 It encircles the sky with its glorious arc;
the hands of the Most High have stretched it out.

 

[visionary]

During the Age of Aquarius, the dominant paradigm is that of the Water Bearer.

John 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

The latter rains will be this water that spring up into eternal life coming from God at it appointed times.

 

[visionary]

Did you know that Josephus, a Jewish historian, says the stones on the breastplate of the High Priest were symbols of the Mazzaroth constellations.