Woman bishops

[pinacled]

Or wives shouldn't have authority over their husbands. It could equally well be translated that way. It also makes more sense of the explanation. If you read 1 Tim 2:16 as about women in general, I think you end up with women not be trustworthy because they are more easily deceived. If you read husband and wife, then he might have meant that Adam didn't exercize his proper role as head of the family by using his own judgement.

Personally, I think 1 Tim wasn't by Paul, and 1 Tim 2 is frankly anti-woman, but if you want to avoid that I think my suggestion is the best way.

Compare

Isaiah 3
To
[ 8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.]

Particularly verse 12

Verse 14 I've witnessed from a female pastor of a congregational branch that is no longer holding services.
During One particular sermon the female pastors words were evidence enough of what ole sh'aul warned about.

James 3:1

 

[pinacled]

And that's not what this thread is about.

I believe the now absent lord saru { japanese for monkey) intentionally started the thread to stir controversy.

 

[Lamb]

I believe the now absent lord saru { japanese for monkey) intentionally started the thread to stir controversy.

He didn't intend to start controversy but conversation. Let's get back to it now.

 

[pinacled]

Wrong.

The Church of England (the Anglican Church) has permitted women bishops since 2015; the first woman was made so that same year.

There are currently SIX women bishops in the Church of England:

• Rachel Treweek (Bishop of Gloucester, 2015–present)
• Christine Hardman (Bishop of Newcastle, 2015-present)
• Sarah Mullally (Bishop of London, 2018–present)
• Viv Faull (Bishop of Bristol, 2018-present)
• Libby Lane (Bishop of Derby, 2019-present)
• Rose Hudson-Wilkin (Bishop of Dover, de facto diocesan bishop of Canterbury, 2019–present)

Church of England General Synod approves female bishops

Applause in public gallery greets overwhelming vote in favour of measure that ends 20 years of bitter division over issue

www.theguardian.com

Reverend Libby Lane named as CofE's first female bishop

The first female bishop for the Church of England has been announced as vicar Reverend Libby Lane, just a month after the historic change to canon law.

www.bbc.com

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Rachael Treweek according to wiki.

[ "Treweek believes that God should be considered to be neither male nor female and tries to avoid using gender-specific pronouns when referring to God.[26] Explaining this view, "she said she personally prefers to say neither "he" nor "she", but "God". "Sometimes I lapse, but I try not to," the bishop told the Observer."[31] The Diocese of Gloucester announced that, in January 2017, Treweek would preside at an LGBTI Eucharist with Inclusive Church"]

The above statement shows an anti Trinity belief.
That also goes against the apostles creed.

Matthew 12:37

 

[pinacled]

Rachael Treweek according to wiki.

[ "Treweek believes that God should be considered to be neither male nor female and tries to avoid using gender-specific pronouns when referring to God.[26] Explaining this view, "she said she personally prefers to say neither "he" nor "she", but "God". "Sometimes I lapse, but I try not to," the bishop told the Observer."[31] The Diocese of Gloucester announced that, in January 2017, Treweek would preside at an LGBTI Eucharist with Inclusive Church"]

The above statement shows an anti Trinity belief.
That also goes against the apostles creed.

Matthew 12:37

[The Gathering and Presentation

At the entry of the ministers a hymn may be sung.

The Greeting

The bishop greets the people

Blessed be God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

All(respond)
Blessed be his kingdom, now and for ever. Amen.]

The above in brackets cited from:

https://www.churchofengland.org/prayer-and-worship/worship-texts-and-resources/common-worship/ministry/common-worship-ordination-0

So is wiki", or the "observer, giving an accurate account?

 

[pinacled]

Church of england voted no for women bishops in 2012.
What's occurred since is quite vague.

Except for the familiar activities represented in The U.S government around the same time.
Same sex unions were put to a democratic vote with a majority voting no to such unions.
This democratic institution was then suspiciously overuled by the judicial branch.
Which uniformly undermines democracy.
Votes are no longer heard.
The republic is instead dictated a course.

Quite familiar indeed.

 

[pinacled]

He didn't intend to start controversy but conversation. Let's get back to it now.

Perhaps my interpretation of @Romanos is off.
I thought only a specific denomination was allowed to discuss their own denomination when starting a Thread.
lord saru used the prefix catholic.
Or are only catholics allowed to post in this thread?

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[Lamb]

Perhaps my interpretation of Romano's is off.
I thought only a specific denomination was allowed to discuss their own denomination when starting a Thread.
lord saru used the prefix catholic.
Or are only catholics allowed to post in this thread?

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There is no prefix listed for this thread.

 

[pinacled]

There is no prefix listed for this thread.

I think I understand now.
I've seen something similar before.

Does the o.p. need to state which denomination only?

 

[Lamb]

I think I understand now.
I've seen something similar before.

Does the o.p. need to state which denomination only?

We have prefixes to be used in the Denomination forum and when that is chosen only the members from that group can reply. I don't remember if the prefixes work on Tapatalk though? @Andrew do you know?

 

[Andrew]

We have prefixes to be used in the Denomination forum and when that is chosen only the members from that group can reply. I don't remember if the prefixes work on Tapatalk though? @Andrew do you know?

.

 

[Andrew]

"No Prefix" is an option

 

[pinacled]

"No Prefix" is an option

As I thought.

So would you consider a catholic speaking of another denominations governence to be controversial?

Definition of CONTROVERSIAL

of, relating to, or arousing controversy; given to controversy : disputatious… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[pinacled]

Church of england voted no for women bishops in 2012.
What's occurred since is quite vague.

Except for the familiar activities represented in The U.S government around the same time.
Same sex unions were put to a democratic vote with a majority voting no to such unions.
This democratic institution was then suspiciously overuled by the judicial branch.
Which uniformly undermines democracy.
Votes are no longer heard.
The republic is instead dictated a course.

Quite familiar indeed.

Does anyone know what happened in the british parliament between 2012 and 2015?

I personally researched this facet.
And could only find evidence of treason against the 2012 vote.
Seems that only a few individual precincts went against the vote and ordained women. One of which was on video.
Strangely it seemed quite staged and very estranged from liturgy.

I don't know the details of who owns the buildings.
But the audience seemed to be foreign.

All in all.
I sense subterfuge in what was recorded.

 

[hedrick]

Church of england voted no for women bishops in 2012.
What's occurred since is quite vague.

Vague how? The vote was very close in 2012. In one of three houses it was a few votes short of 2/3. By 2014 it was over 2/3. That doesn't seem particularly surprising.

 

[pinacled]

Vague how? The vote was very close in 2012. In one of three houses it was a few votes short of 2/3. By 2014 it was over 2/3. That doesn't seem particularly surprising.

If you are certain about those statistics please cite an evidential source.

 

[hedrick]

If you are certain about those statistics please cite an evidential source.

Church of England votes against allowing women bishops. If you do a search you'll find several other sources. The only house that didn't give it 2/3 in 2012 was the lay. They voted for it 132 to 74. Not quite 2/3.

 

[NewCreation435]

The Church of England started with appointing women as bishops in the recent history. While we take a look at bible, we understand that all the disciples of Jesus are males and it was their duty to preach his word to the other worlds.

Apart from the gender stereotyping and the biblical context, are there more reasons to deny bishophood to females?

what is the role of a bishop compared to a minister in a local church? Why would being female exclude a person?

 

[kiwimac]

Male and Female God creates them; male and female we ordain 'em.

 

[pinacled]

Male and Female God creates them; male and female we ordain 'em.

Honor your father and your ....?