Early Christian writings along with the NT...

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The information in the article can be verified in numerous sources. It is general information that can be found easily.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112279/jewish/Rabbi-Judah-the-Prince.htm

https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Judah_haNasi

Judah ha-Nasi | Jewish Patriarch, Talmudic Scholar | Britannica

Judah ha-Nasi was one of the last of the tannaim, the small group of Palestinian masters of the Jewish Oral Law, parts of which he collected as the Mishna (Teaching). The Mishna became the subject of interpretation in the Talmud, the fundamental rabbinic compendium of law, lore, and commentary.

www.britannica.com

My point is confirmed in the bias source of brittanica.
There was no Palestine .
Nor did the rabbi accredited with composing the talmud hale from such a nonexistent place.

Below in brackets is cited from chabad.
[ Rabbi Judah was the son of Rabbi Simeon ben Gamliel and was elected "Prince" (Nassi) after the death of his father. He was born on the very day that Rabbi Akiba died in the hands of the Romans. In the Mishnah, Rabbi Judah the Prince (Yehudah HaNasi) is called, simply, "Rabbi," for he was so famous that he needed no other name by which to identify him.]

 

[Andrew]

My point is confirmed in the bias source of brittanica.
There was no Palestine .
Nor did the rabbi accredited with composing the talmud hale from such

The encyclopedia is bias? I own a library set of the encyclopedia, i'll check out the articles and take pics of em.. they are from the 70s so we'll see

 

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The encyclopedia is bias? I own a library set of the encyclopedia, i'll check out the articles and take pics of em.. they are from the 70s so we'll see

Where religion is concerned the encyclopedia is biased against hebrew culture.
I also had an encyclopedia set from the 70s

 

[Origen]

My point is confirmed in the bias source of brittanica.
There was no Palestine .
Nor did the rabbi accredited with composing the talmud hale from such a nonexistent place.

The first known occurrence of the name "Palestine" dates back to the 5th century B.C. (See Herodotus, Histories 2.104).

Herodotus, The Histories, Book 2

www.perseus.tufts.edu

In the 1st century A.D. the name was used by Jews. Both Philo and Josephus (a Pharisee) use the name "Palestine" in their writings.

The rabbis may not have used that term, nevertheless the name was known, and used, and understood as a place name long before the start of the Rabbinic era.

 

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The first known occurrence of the name "Palestine" date back to the 5th century B.C. (See Herodotus, Histories 2.104).

Herodotus, The Histories, Book 2

www.perseus.tufts.edu

In the 1st century A.D. the name was used by Jews. Both Philo and Josephus (a Pharisee) use the name "Palestine" in their writings.

The rabbis may not have used that term, nevertheless the name was known, and used, and understood as a place name long before the start of the Rabbinic era.

The current recreation of Josephus is a fraudulent source material.

The Talmud never mentions the existence of a Palestine.

Nor would it.
The Talmud predates Islam and the development of Palestine by Arab invaders.
And Britain is known to ally with Arabs throughout history.

 

[Origen]

The current recreation of Josephus is a fraudulent source material.

Please cite scholarly sources and the evidence?

The Talmud never mentions the existence of a Palestine.

Using the source (i.e. link) you provided it was not hard to find some examples.

When Rab, the son of R. Chiya's brother and sister came to Palestine, Rab was asked by R. Chiya: "Is father alive?" "Is mother alive?" was his reply. Then R. Chiya asked him: "Is mother alive?" Rab answered again: "Is father alive?" Pesachim 4a

When R. Dimi came from Palestine, he said : "It was said in the West that he who tries to explain the passage above from the beginning to the end is correct, and he who tries to explain it from the end to the beginning is also correct. Sanhedrin 70a:16

When the rabbis stood up after R. Huna’s discourses and shook out their garments the dust rose [so high] that it obscured the [light of] day, and people in Palestine said, “They have risen after the discourses of R. Huna the Babylonian.” Ketubot 106a

When I was in the school of Rav in Babylon I used to say that which has been taught, "If Yom Kippur fell on the eve of Shabbat, they did not sound the trumpet, and if it fell at the conclusion of Shabbat they did not recite the Havdalah" is agreed to by all, but when I came up to Palestine I found R. Judah the son of R. Shimon b. Pazzi sitting and teaching that it was in agreement with R. Akiba only? Sukkah 54b

 

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Please cite scholarly sources and the evidence?


Using the source (i.e. link) you provided it was not hard to find some.

When Rab, the son of R. Chiya's brother and sister came to Palestine, Rab was asked by R. Chiya: "Is father alive?" "Is mother alive?" was his reply. Then R. Chiya asked him: "Is mother alive?" Rab answered again: "Is father alive?" Pesachim 4a

When R. Dimi came from Palestine, he said : "It was said in the West that he who tries to explain the passage above from the beginning to the end is correct, and he who tries to explain it from the end to the beginning is also correct. Sanhedrin 70a:16

When the rabbis stood up after R. Huna’s discourses and shook out their garments the dust rose [so high] that it obscured the [light of] day, and people in Palestine said, “They have risen after the discourses of R. Huna the Babylonian.” Ketubot 106a

When I was in the school of Rav in Babylon I used to say that which has been taught, "If Yom Kippur fell on the eve of Shabbat, they did not sound the trumpet, and if it fell at the conclusion of Shabbat they did not recite the Havdalah" is agreed to by all, but when I came up to Palestine I found R. Judah the son of R. Shimon b. Pazzi sitting and teaching that it was in agreement with R. Akiba only? Sukkah 54b

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The translation of the Bible (written law) into Greek also contributed very much to the popularization of the Talmud. As long as the Torah was in the sacred language only (for the Aramaic version of the time of Ezra had been concealed or destroyed as early as the time of Rabban Gamaliel the Elder, the son of Simeon who had been slain, or probably even during the

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life of the latter), 1 all Jewish sects and foreign scholars interpreted it in their own way. But a wise Greek, a convert of Judaism, Aquila the Proselyte, who received the doctrines of the Talmud from the disciples of R. Johanan b. Zakkai and also from R. Aqiba, translated the Bible into Greek. This version was not acceptable to the Jewish believers in Jesus (Messianists)--who must already at that period have constituted a large sect--because their construction of many passages in the Messianic spirit was flatly disregarded by the new translation; ]

Palestine is likely a greek addition to the original Aramaic targums that were protected by gamaliel teacher and elder to ole sh'aul.

As for historical scholars.
I typically avoid such studies and focus on Truth.
Perhaps another thread is needed to discuss history.

Blessings Always

 

[Origen]

As for historical scholars.
I avoid such studies and focus on Truth.

Then forget the scholars and please cite the physical evidence which objectively shows the Greek text of Josephus is fraudulent source material.

 

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Please cite scholarly sources and the evidence?


Using the source (i.e. link) you provided it was not hard to find some examples.

When Rab, the son of R. Chiya's brother and sister came to Palestine, Rab was asked by R. Chiya: "Is father alive?" "Is mother alive?" was his reply. Then R. Chiya asked him: "Is mother alive?" Rab answered again: "Is father alive?" Pesachim 4a

When R. Dimi came from Palestine, he said : "It was said in the West that he who tries to explain the passage above from the beginning to the end is correct, and he who tries to explain it from the end to the beginning is also correct. Sanhedrin 70a:16

When the rabbis stood up after R. Huna’s discourses and shook out their garments the dust rose [so high] that it obscured the [light of] day, and people in Palestine said, “They have risen after the discourses of R. Huna the Babylonian.” Ketubot 106a

When I was in the school of Rav in Babylon I used to say that which has been taught, "If Yom Kippur fell on the eve of Shabbat, they did not sound the trumpet, and if it fell at the conclusion of Shabbat they did not recite the Havdalah" is agreed to by all, but when I came up to Palestine I found R. Judah the son of R. Shimon b. Pazzi sitting and teaching that it was in agreement with R. Akiba only? Sukkah 54b

Pesakhim ch 4

Ein Yaakov (Glick Edition), Pesakhim

Pesachim (Fol. 3) R. Joshua b. Levi said: "A man should never bring forth from his mouth an unfit word, for the Scripture uses a circumlocution of eight...

www.sefaria.org

 

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Please cite scholarly sources and the evidence?


Using the source (i.e. link) you provided it was not hard to find some examples.

When Rab, the son of R. Chiya's brother and sister came to Palestine, Rab was asked by R. Chiya: "Is father alive?" "Is mother alive?" was his reply. Then R. Chiya asked him: "Is mother alive?" Rab answered again: "Is father alive?" Pesachim 4a

When R. Dimi came from Palestine, he said : "It was said in the West that he who tries to explain the passage above from the beginning to the end is correct, and he who tries to explain it from the end to the beginning is also correct. Sanhedrin 70a:16

When the rabbis stood up after R. Huna’s discourses and shook out their garments the dust rose [so high] that it obscured the [light of] day, and people in Palestine said, “They have risen after the discourses of R. Huna the Babylonian.” Ketubot 106a

When I was in the school of Rav in Babylon I used to say that which has been taught, "If Yom Kippur fell on the eve of Shabbat, they did not sound the trumpet, and if it fell at the conclusion of Shabbat they did not recite the Havdalah" is agreed to by all, but when I came up to Palestine I found R. Judah the son of R. Shimon b. Pazzi sitting and teaching that it was in agreement with R. Akiba only? Sukkah 54b

From sefariah.

Pesachim 4a
Pesachim 4aפסחים ד׳ א

The William Davidson Talmudתלמוד מהדורת ויליאם דוידסון

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רַב, בַּר אֲחוּהּ דְּרַבִּי חִיָּיא וּבַר אֲחָתֵיהּ. כִּי סְלֵיק לְהָתָם, אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אַיְיבוּ קַיָּים? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אִימָּא קַיֶּימֶת?! אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אִימָּא קַיֶּימֶת? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אַיְיבוּ קַיָּים?!

The Gemara relates: Rav was the son of Rabbi Ḥiyya’s half brother and the son of Rabbi Ḥiyya’s half sister, as Ayevu, Rav’s father, married his own stepsister, Imma. When Rav ascended there, to Eretz Yisrael, Rabbi Ḥiyya said to Rav: Is your father, Ayevu, alive? He said to him, replying with a question: Is your sister, Imma, alive? He said to him: Indeed, is Imma alive? He said to him: Is Ayevu alive? Upon hearing this, Rabbi Ḥiyya understood that both Ayevu and Imma had passed away, and Rav did not wish to say so explicitly.]

 

[Origen]

Pesakhim ch 4

Again these are from the Talmud. I found them using the link you provide.


When Rab, the son of R. Chiya's brother and sister came to Palestine, Rab was asked by R. Chiya: "Is father alive?" "Is mother alive?" was his reply. Then R. Chiya asked him: "Is mother alive?" Rab answered again: "Is father alive?" Pesachim 4a

When R. Dimi came from Palestine, he said : "It was said in the West that he who tries to explain the passage above from the beginning to the end is correct, and he who tries to explain it from the end to the beginning is also correct. Sanhedrin 70a:16

When the rabbis stood up after R. Huna’s discourses and shook out their garments the dust rose [so high] that it obscured the [light of] day, and people in Palestine said, “They have risen after the discourses of R. Huna the Babylonian.” Ketubot 106a

When I was in the school of Rav in Babylon I used to say that which has been taught, "If Yom Kippur fell on the eve of Shabbat, they did not sound the trumpet, and if it fell at the conclusion of Shabbat they did not recite the Havdalah" is agreed to by all, but when I came up to Palestine I found R. Judah the son of R. Shimon b. Pazzi sitting and teaching that it was in agreement with R. Akiba only? Sukkah 54b


You don't know Hebrew\Aramaic. The translators, who are Jews, do and gave the translation "Palestine." I have no reason to doubt those translators, their skills, or their translation of the text.

 

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Please cite scholarly sources and the evidence?


Using the source (i.e. link) you provided it was not hard to find some examples.

When Rab, the son of R. Chiya's brother and sister came to Palestine, Rab was asked by R. Chiya: "Is father alive?" "Is mother alive?" was his reply. Then R. Chiya asked him: "Is mother alive?" Rab answered again: "Is father alive?" Pesachim 4a

When R. Dimi came from Palestine, he said : "It was said in the West that he who tries to explain the passage above from the beginning to the end is correct, and he who tries to explain it from the end to the beginning is also correct. Sanhedrin 70a:16

When the rabbis stood up after R. Huna’s discourses and shook out their garments the dust rose [so high] that it obscured the [light of] day, and people in Palestine said, “They have risen after the discourses of R. Huna the Babylonian.” Ketubot 106a

When I was in the school of Rav in Babylon I used to say that which has been taught, "If Yom Kippur fell on the eve of Shabbat, they did not sound the trumpet, and if it fell at the conclusion of Shabbat they did not recite the Havdalah" is agreed to by all, but when I came up to Palestine I found R. Judah the son of R. Shimon b. Pazzi sitting and teaching that it was in agreement with R. Akiba only? Sukkah 54b

What you cited isn't from sefariah sir.
Please be honest and inform the readers here the source you cited from.

Blessings Always

 

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Again these are from the Talmud. I found them using the link you provide.


When Rab, the son of R. Chiya's brother and sister came to Palestine, Rab was asked by R. Chiya: "Is father alive?" "Is mother alive?" was his reply. Then R. Chiya asked him: "Is mother alive?" Rab answered again: "Is father alive?" Pesachim 4a

When R. Dimi came from Palestine, he said : "It was said in the West that he who tries to explain the passage above from the beginning to the end is correct, and he who tries to explain it from the end to the beginning is also correct. Sanhedrin 70a:16

When the rabbis stood up after R. Huna’s discourses and shook out their garments the dust rose [so high] that it obscured the [light of] day, and people in Palestine said, “They have risen after the discourses of R. Huna the Babylonian.” Ketubot 106a

When I was in the school of Rav in Babylon I used to say that which has been taught, "If Yom Kippur fell on the eve of Shabbat, they did not sound the trumpet, and if it fell at the conclusion of Shabbat they did not recite the Havdalah" is agreed to by all, but when I came up to Palestine I found R. Judah the son of R. Shimon b. Pazzi sitting and teaching that it was in agreement with R. Akiba only? Sukkah 54b


You don't know Hebrew\Aramaic. The translators, who are Jews, do and gave the translation "Palestine." I have no reason to doubt those translators, their skills, or their translation of the text.

My fluency in hebrew is irrelevant.

Ketubot 106a
Is about reverence of Torah and justice

 

[Origen]

What you cited isn't from sefariah sir.
Please be honest and inform the readers here the source you cited from.

Blessings Always

Sorry but you are wrong. How about some some photos.

 

[Origen]

My fluency in hebrew is irrelevant.

The translators, who are Jews, do and gave the translation "Palestine." I have no reason to doubt those translators, their skills, or their translation of the text. And given the fact you don't know Hebrew\Aramaic there is no reason to believe that you know more than they.

Thank you for your time.

 

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The translators, who are Jews, do and gave the translation "Palestine." I have no reason to doubt those translators, their skills, or their translation of the text. And given the fact you don't know Hebrew\Aramaic there is no reason to believe that you know more than they.

Thank you for your time.

Where?
I've cited the talmud from sefariah that has no mention of palestine.

I show no partiality sir origen

 

[Origen]

Where?
I've cited the talmud from sefariah that has no mention of palestine.

I show no partiality sir origen

I gave you the citations. I posted pics of them. Now here are the links.

Sukkah 54b:8

When I was in the school of Rav in Babylon I used to say that which has been taught, "If Yom Kippur fell on the eve of Shabbat, they did not sound the trumpet,...

www.sefaria.org

Ketubot 106a:6

When the rabbis would depart from the school of Rav there remained behind one thousand and two hundred rabbis. [When they departed] from the school of R. Huna...

www.sefaria.org

Sanhedrin 70a:16

R. Amram, the son of R. Simon b. Abba, said: "What does the passage (Ib., ib. 26, 30) Who hath woe? Who hath sorrow? Who hath quarrels? Who hath complaints?...

www.sefaria.org

Pesachim 4a:1

When Rab, the son of R. Chiya's brother and sister came to Palestine, Rab was asked by R. Chiya: "Is father alive?" "Is mother alive?" was his reply. Then R....

www.sefaria.org

If you cannot see them, then I cannot help you. They are there as plain as day.

 

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Sorry but you are wrong. How about some sone photos.
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Interesting.

There seems to be 2 or more forms of talmud provided by sefaria

 

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I gave you the citations. I posted pics of them. Now here are the links.

Sukkah 54b:8

When I was in the school of Rav in Babylon I used to say that which has been taught, "If Yom Kippur fell on the eve of Shabbat, they did not sound the trumpet,...

www.sefaria.org

Ketubot 106a:6

When the rabbis would depart from the school of Rav there remained behind one thousand and two hundred rabbis. [When they departed] from the school of R. Huna...

www.sefaria.org

Sanhedrin 70a:16

R. Amram, the son of R. Simon b. Abba, said: "What does the passage (Ib., ib. 26, 30) Who hath woe? Who hath sorrow? Who hath quarrels? Who hath complaints?...

www.sefaria.org

Pesachim 4a:1

When Rab, the son of R. Chiya's brother and sister came to Palestine, Rab was asked by R. Chiya: "Is father alive?" "Is mother alive?" was his reply. Then R....

www.sefaria.org

If you cannot see them, then I cannot help you. They are there as plain as day.

Pesachim 4a

The Gemara relates: Rav was the son of Rabbi Ḥiyya’s half brother and the son of Rabbi Ḥiyya’s half sister, as Ayevu, Rav’s father, married his own stepsister,...

www.sefaria.org

לְמִצְוֹת

Sukkah 54b,8
[ when I ascended to there, to Eretz Yisrael,]

 

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Sorry but you are wrong. How about some sone photos.
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While I may not have hebrew fluency.
Hebrew is an area I've explored extensively.