Early Christian writings along with the NT...

[Andrew]

While I may not have hebrew fluency.
Hebrew is an area I've explored extensively.

When did modern Hebrew begin?

Hebrew was so uncommon at one point that it almost became a dead language, how did it ever get to that point? Was it because Greek had become the dominant of the Jews only leaving a minority of Hebrew speaking Jews left to hold fast the biblical tongue?
If so, why is it so hard to imagine the ancient scripture of the Hebrews to be translated into Greek?

While it is a phonetic language yet only recently revised, Moses who wrote in paleo-Hebrew (and I assume was learned in Egyptian) would likely be scratching his head at the modern Hebrew born of the "age of enlightenment"

Point being, the Scribes and Pharisees in Jesus time had fallen by means of tradition and had made the Law of no effect.

After the destruction of the Temple in 70AD, no Jewish council had any priestly authority to officialize a "canon" by any means.
The Lord God Almighty had given authority to His Church to discern what is Gospel and what is not. This is reflected in Paul's writings who made it clear that if any one person taught a separate Gospel (which is no Gospel at all) art declared Anathema.

Clearly addressing the anti Christ teachings of what we would call the 'gnostics', those who reject that Christ had come in the flesh thus denying His bodily resurrection.

The Jewish and Gentile world had the OT scriptures well ahead of time and were quite familiar with them. Not one protest against any of the translations occured, no prejudice towards any of their books are made mention, no "Apocrypha" section existed, not a single objection among the high priest uttered, only records of their use among early Church fathers are found regardless of what worth the Christ rejecting Jews would later declare them to be.

By calling me anti-semitic you say the same to those Christians who held fast their faith in those scriptures, as well unto Christ who charged the corrupt and conspiring Jews calling them the sons of their father the devil and the synagogue of Satan.

I pray for the removing of their stumbling block set forth by their fathers, by no means does this effect the Christian, but as for them, they have an alternate view of prophecy due to the deliberate broadening and blurring of prophetic passages, rejecting their prophets and awaiting a false messiah.

 

[Andrew]

 

[pinacled]

I gave you the citations. I posted pics of them. Now here are the links.

Sukkah 54b:8

When I was in the school of Rav in Babylon I used to say that which has been taught, "If Yom Kippur fell on the eve of Shabbat, they did not sound the trumpet,...

www.sefaria.org

Ketubot 106a:6

When the rabbis would depart from the school of Rav there remained behind one thousand and two hundred rabbis. [When they departed] from the school of R. Huna...

www.sefaria.org

Sanhedrin 70a:16

R. Amram, the son of R. Simon b. Abba, said: "What does the passage (Ib., ib. 26, 30) Who hath woe? Who hath sorrow? Who hath quarrels? Who hath complaints?...

www.sefaria.org

Pesachim 4a:1

When Rab, the son of R. Chiya's brother and sister came to Palestine, Rab was asked by R. Chiya: "Is father alive?" "Is mother alive?" was his reply. Then R....

www.sefaria.org

If you cannot see them, then I cannot help you. They are there as plain as day.

I believe you may have cited a commentary of the talmud.
Possibly from a rabbi of the 1600s

 

[pinacled]

The translators, who are Jews, do and gave the translation "Palestine." I have no reason to doubt those translators, their skills, or their translation of the text. And given the fact you don't know Hebrew\Aramaic there is no reason to believe that you know more than they.

Thank you for your time.

[ Palaistinê (whence Palaestina, from which Palestine is derived)[390] is generally accepted to be a translation of the Biblical name Peleshet (פלשת Pəlésheth, usually transliterated as Philistia). Peleshet and its derivates are used more than 250 times in Masoretic-derived versions of the Hebrew Bible,[391][392] of which 10 uses are in the Torah, with undefined boundaries, and almost 200 of the remaining references are in the Book of Judges and the Books of Samuel.[3][11][393] The first use is found in Genesis 10, in the Generations of Noah.[394]

By the time the Septuagint was translated the term Palaistínē (Παλαιστίνη), first used by Herodotus, had already entered the Greek vocabulary. However, it was not used in the LXX – instead the term Land of Phylistieim (Γη των Φυλιστιειμ) is used. ]


Sorcerers lie about history

 

[Origen]

[ Palaistinê (whence Palaestina, from which Palestine is derived)[390] is generally accepted to be a translation of the Biblical name Peleshet (פלשת Pəlésheth, usually transliterated as Philistia). Peleshet and its derivates are used more than 250 times in Masoretic-derived versions of the Hebrew Bible,[391][392] of which 10 uses are in the Torah, with undefined boundaries, and almost 200 of the remaining references are in the Book of Judges and the Books of Samuel.[3][11][393] The first use is found in Genesis 10, in the Generations of Noah.[394]

By the time the Septuagint was translated the term Palaistínē (Παλαιστίνη), first used by Herodotus, had already entered the Greek vocabulary. However, it was not used in the LXX – instead the term Land of Phylistieim (Γη των Φυλιστιειμ) is used. ]

Yes I know all of that.

My interest in this topic was only secondary at best and now has passed.

Thanks

 

[pinacled]

Sorry but you are wrong. How about some some photos.
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Forgive my missunderstanding statement.

Ein Yaakov - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

To clarify:
Though the screen shot is from sefaria.
It's a commentary of the Talmud from a later rav that was close to the time I guessed based on the language.
I still haven't found a direct mention of palestine in the Talmud or targums.

And as I've stated before.
I remain impartial.
There are commentators such as Rashi that I find abhorrent.

Blessings Always

 

[Andrew]

"Christians altered the Jewish Scriptures"
this Rabbi has lead more Christians to turn away from their faith than any other Rabbi I ever heard of.
This is why it's important for LXX apologetics to have their voice.

Please at least just watch this short video that Tovia just published

 

[pinacled]

"Christians altered the Jewish Scriptures"
this Rabbi has lead more Christians to turn away from their faith than any other Rabbi I ever heard of.
This is why it's important for LXX apologetics to have their voice.

Please at least just watch this short video that Tovia just published

If the man had any credibility.
Why then does he bother singling out christians as the culprit of, "altering hebrew scriptures".


Andrew,
Research jews for jesus.

The man/rabbi in the video was harmed by this organization.

 

[Origen]

"Christians altered the Jewish Scriptures"
this Rabbi has lead more Christians to turn away from their faith than any other Rabbi I ever heard of.
This is why it's important for LXX apologetics to have their voice.

Please at least just watch this short video that Tovia just published

He says by the age of 20 it is too late to learn Hebrew. Complete nonsense! It is never too late to learn Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek. It was the fall of 1983 when I was 24 years that I stated college and I began learning Hebrew and Greek.

 

[Andrew]

If the man had any credibility.
Why then does he bother singling out christians as the culprit of, "altering hebrew scriptures".


Andrew,
Research jews for jesus.

The man in the video was harmed by this organization.

His mission is to stop Jews from converting and to give Christians the "truth"
His sunday call in show "lets get biblical" is a 3 hour drive from where I live in Texas, he streams his video live from Israel to Texas and the engineer "William" is the one directing the stream. Sunday 9am to 12pm CT
TaNaKtalk is the website..
Rabbi Tovia Singer can also be found on YouTube and Facebook.
His Christian converts are called "Ben Noah" or "Noahide"

 

[Andrew]

It is never too late to learn Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek. It was the fall of 1983 when I was 24 years that I stated college and I began learning Hebrew and Greek.

This I know, but the Tanakh differs from the Masoretic and the Masoretic differs even more from the LXX Septuagint, which I believe (although not perfect) is as close as you can get to the original Hebrew that Christ and the Apostles quoted from.

 

[Origen]

This I know, but the Tanakh differs from the Masoretic and the Masoretic differs even more from the LXX Septuagint, which I believe (although not perfect) is as close as you can get to the original Hebrew that Christ and the Apostles quoted from.

I understand your point but I don't agree.

First, yes there are differences. No scholar denies that. However, even the manuscripts and codices of the Septuagint are not uniformed. No two are exactly alike. They all differ in some way.

Second, we have some Hebrew manuscripts of Biblical books from Qumran to compare with the MT that predate the 1st century A.D. Yet we have no LXX complete or near complete manuscripts before the 4th century A.D. We have only a few fragments of the LXX.

Here are three from Qumran.

 

[pinacled]

Jews for jesus alleged founder is martin rosen.
Who later changed his name to the alias Moishe instead of martin. Something of which is legally allowed by the U.S secular government.

rosen - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.m.wiktionary.org

But the name rosen is very suspect.
Especially considering the jew 4 jesus founder's place of birth and immediate heritage.

 

[pinacled]

This I know, but the Tanakh differs from the Masoretic and the Masoretic differs even more from the LXX Septuagint, which I believe (although not perfect) is as close as you can get to the original Hebrew that Christ and the Apostles quoted from.

The TaNaKh is the hebrew masoretic text.

Where did you find a difference?

 

[Andrew]

The TaNaKh is the hebrew masoretic text.

Where did you find a difference?

Virgin is one difference.
If you look up the TaNaKh Hebrew to English translation you will notice that it differs, especially when concerning certain prophetic passages for example.. look in your OT bible for Psalm 22:16 and see if it reads "For dogs have encircled me, an evil congregation surrounded me; like a lion my hands and my feet"

If it says anything about "piercing my hands and feet" you aren't reading the true Hebrew Masoretic translation, you are reading a so called "Christianized" Masoretic.

Jerome intermixed the two (Hebrew/proto-masoretic and LXX) to "correct" our OT.

This is why Tovia says Christians have meddled with Hebrew scripture

 

[Origen]

Virgin is one difference.
If you look up the TaNaKh Hebrew to English translation you will notice that it differs, especially when concerning certain prophetic passages for example.. look in your OT bible for Psalm 22:16 and see if it reads "For dogs have encircled me, an evil congregation surrounded me; like a lion my hands and my feet"

If it says anything about "piercing my hands and feet" you aren't reading the true Hebrew Masoretic translation, you are reading a so called "Christianized" Masoretic.

Jerome intermixed the two (Hebrew/proto-masoretic and LXX) to "correct" our OT.

This is why Tovia says Christians have meddled with Hebrew scripture

And what do you do when the N.T. clearly follows the Hebrew and not the LXX as it does in this example (and there are others)?

out of Egypt I called my son - (N.T.)
out of Egypt I called my son - (Hebrew/proto-masoretic)
out of Egypt I called his children - (LXX)
See O.T. quotes in the N.T.

The LXX clearly misses (or changes deliberately?) the messianic significance of the verse. In fact one could argue that the LXX goes out of its way to remove the messianic element in order to change the meaning of the text.

 

[pinacled]

His mission is to stop Jews from converting and to give Christians the "truth"
His sunday call in show "lets get biblical" is a 3 hour drive from where I live in Texas, he streams his video live from Israel to Texas and the engineer "William" is the one directing the stream. Sunday 9am to 12pm CT
TaNaKtalk is the website..
Rabbi Tovia Singer can also be found on YouTube and Facebook.
His Christian converts are called "Ben Noah" or "Noahide"

I've never heard of rabbi tobias singer's converts called noachide.

Perhaps you should study the hebrew language, culture, and history instead of watching youtube sycophants.

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

Virgin is one difference.
If you look up the TaNaKh Hebrew to English translation you will notice that it differs, especially when concerning certain prophetic passages for example.. look in your OT bible for Psalm 22:16 and see if it reads "For dogs have encircled me, an evil congregation surrounded me; like a lion my hands and my feet"

If it says anything about "piercing my hands and feet" you aren't reading the true Hebrew Masoretic translation, you are reading a so called "Christianized" Masoretic.

Jerome intermixed the two (Hebrew/proto-masoretic and LXX) to "correct" our OT.

This is why Tovia says Christians have meddled with Hebrew scripture

Im quite studied in certain aspects of nature. Biology is one of my strong suits.
Surrounded by young lions?
Did you know that young lions have spots similar to leopards.
You'll need wisdom to find a contextual lesson andrew.
Genesis 30:40
Isaiah 11:6
1 peter 2:2

Youth compared to maturity
Young spotted lions/leopards

37 Bible verses about Lions

A topical Bible which shows the most relevant Bible verse for each topic

bible.knowing-jesus.com

Blessings Always

 

[pinacled]

Im quite studied in certain aspects of nature. Biology is one of my strong suits.
Surrounded by young lions?
Did you know that young lions have spots similar to leopards.
You'll need wisdom to find a contextual lesson andrew.
Genesis 30:40
Isaiah 11:6
1 peter 2:2

Youth compared to maturity
Young spotted lions/leopards

37 Bible verses about Lions

A topical Bible which shows the most relevant Bible verse for each topic

bible.knowing-jesus.com

Blessings Always

If need be I'll expound on lions, leopards, youthful lions, and dogs/hyenna representing a denigrated generation in need of healing.

 

[pinacled]

Virgin is one difference.
If you look up the TaNaKh Hebrew to English translation you will notice that it differs, especially when concerning certain prophetic passages for example.. look in your OT bible for Psalm 22:16 and see if it reads "For dogs have encircled me, an evil congregation surrounded me; like a lion my hands and my feet"

If it says anything about "piercing my hands and feet" you aren't reading the true Hebrew Masoretic translation, you are reading a so called "Christianized" Masoretic.

Jerome intermixed the two (Hebrew/proto-masoretic and LXX) to "correct" our OT.

This is why Tovia says Christians have meddled with Hebrew scripture

יז כִּי סְבָבוּנִי, כְּלָבִים: עֲדַת מְרֵעִים, הִקִּיפוּנִי; כָּאֲרִי, יָדַי וְרַגְלָי.17

For dogs have encompassed me;

a company of evil-doers have inclosed me;

like a lion,
they are at my hands and my feet.