Why isn't the rioting being stopped?

[Lamb]

Maybe you've missed it in the news...I mean CNN isn't really talking about it and they even went so far as to edit their headline to remove the word "violent" from in front of protest in case someone caught truth of what's happening.

When will government officials take back control and stop this violence that is happening in the US?

 

[tango]

Maybe when "orange man bad" gains critical traction and people start to wonder whether the guy who has been in the government for 48 years might actually have even the slightest intention of doing anything to improve the government. You know, the things he could have been doing for 17,352 days but now promises to do, honest and for true, within the next 100 days.

Either that or when the rioters mostly peaceful protestors pick the wrong area to take their violence grievances and find the locals greet them with a "peace by superior firepower" attitude.

Perhaps if voters ever hold their local leaders to account rather than assuming "orange man bad" explains everything it will change. I wouldn't hold my breath. Right now it seems to make more sense to stock up on ammunition while you still can.

 

[NewCreation435]

I honestly think this administrations tone deaf response to the protests have made things worse. They don't empathize with the real feelings and anger that blacks feel over being treated unjustly. There is a book called "Hurt People Hurt People" and I think that one of the main reasons you see anger today from many blacks is because they feel hurt at the injustice that they see in our society.
When President Trump called and spoke with George Floyd's brother, he didn't let George's brother talk the whole time. He talked over him and kept the conversation short and didn't listen. This is according to the brother's account of that conversation. This is what this administration does. It doesn't listen and then wonders why people are angry. Not that burning buildings is right, but if they heard the pain and realize it is from a people group that has been often treated as less than fully human then they might begin to understand where that pain comes from.
But, Trump being a part of the white privilege group doesn't get it and most likely never will.

 

[tango]

I honestly think this administrations tone deaf response to the protests have made things worse. They don't empathize with the real feelings and anger that blacks feel over being treated unjustly. There is a book called "Hurt People Hurt People" and I think that one of the main reasons you see anger today from many blacks is because they feel hurt at the injustice that they see in our society.
When President Trump called and spoke with George Floyd's brother, he didn't let George's brother talk the whole time. He talked over him and kept the conversation short and didn't listen. This is according to the brother's account of that conversation. This is what this administration does. It doesn't listen and then wonders why people are angry. Not that burning buildings is right, but if they heard the pain and realize it is from a people group that has been often treated as less than fully human then they might begin to understand where that pain comes from.
But, Trump being a part of the white privilege group doesn't get it and most likely never will.

If only we could have elected a black president. Just think of how great race relations would be then.

Oh, wait....

 

[tango]

I suppose we could also address the question of why so many black people feel like they are victims of every little thing while other groups, such as the Jews, just get on with life. Look at the persecution experienced by Jews who, even now, live in a nation whose neighbors don't even acknowledge that it has a right to exist. Yet they still manage to push forward, to innovate, to make the best life they can.

But then perhaps the Jews haven't bought into the lie that whitey is responsible for all their woes and everything will be fine if only whitey can be made to pay for the wrongs committed by his ancestors.

 

[Josiah]

Maybe you've missed it in the news...I mean CNN isn't really talking about it and they even went so far as to edit their headline to remove the word "violent" from in front of protest in case someone caught truth of what's happening.

When will government officials take back control and stop this violence that is happening in the US?

When the Protesters are Christian Republicans. THEN Democrat owned cities and states will work fast to stop them. Never forget.... the long haired, tie-dyed shirt and sandal wearing liberals of the 6o's who burned down banks and called cops "pigs" are now running the Democrat Party. They LIKE this (reminds them of their youth). It's also why they like legalized pot and free love/abortion. They now put on suits and get hair cuts but....



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[NewCreation435]

If only we could have elected a black president. Just think of how great race relations would be then.

Oh, wait....

It would be nice if it had been that easy.

 

[NewCreation435]

I suppose we could also address the question of why so many black people feel like they are victims of every little thing while other groups, such as the Jews, just get on with life. Look at the persecution experienced by Jews who, even now, live in a nation whose neighbors don't even acknowledge that it has a right to exist. Yet they still manage to push forward, to innovate, to make the best life they can.

But then perhaps the Jews haven't bought into the lie that whitey is responsible for all their woes and everything will be fine if only whitey can be made to pay for the wrongs committed by his ancestors.

It doesn't seem the same at all. Whites were responsible for bringing blacks to America, for the sole purpose of having slaves. Then when they were freed at the end of the civil war they still treated the black person like a little less than human for the next nearly 100 years with Jim Crow laws.
That is not to say that the Jews haven't had it hard in their history. They are one of the most persecuted people on earth in terms of different times in their history when others have sought to annihiliate them from the earth. It really doesn't seem the same at all.

 

[psalms 91]

Sadly we have bad cops and peaceful protests to enact change I understand. I believe that many are peaceful but then the thugs take over and loot and burn and yes they should be stopped but we shouldnt ignore the fact that blacks have a much better chance of being shot by a cop than anyone else. What hurts them is when they prtest a justifed shooting along with the others.

 

[Lamb]

It doesn't seem the same at all. Whites were responsible for bringing blacks to America, for the sole purpose of having slaves. Then when they were freed at the end of the civil war they still treated the black person like a little less than human for the next nearly 100 years with Jim Crow laws.
That is not to say that the Jews haven't had it hard in their history. They are one of the most persecuted people on earth in terms of different times in their history when others have sought to annihiliate them from the earth. It really doesn't seem the same at all.

Blacks were also responsible for slavery here because they were the ones in Africa selling people to the buyers! You can't blame whites 100% for that! Do you know that Africa practiced slavery long before the Europeans and Americans started buying them?

 

[NewCreation435]

Blacks were also responsible for slavery here because they were the ones in Africa selling people to the buyers! You can't blame whites 100% for that! Do you know that Africa practiced slavery long before the Europeans and Americans started buying them?

from what I have read in the past slavery as a whole was a lot more pervasive in ancient times including possibility as much as 1/3 of the people who were living during the time of Jesus. That doesn't excuse anything

 

[Lamb]

from what I have read in the past slavery as a whole was a lot more pervasive in ancient times including possibility as much as 1/3 of the people who were living during the time of Jesus. That doesn't excuse anything

Who said it was excused?

Rioting isn't going to make the people who are truly racist want to help out those they are against. It will make them even angrier and have more hate in their heart.

 

[tango]

It would be nice if it had been that easy.

Your comment about Trump being "white privilege" brigade did rather trivialise the situation.

 

[tango]

It doesn't seem the same at all. Whites were responsible for bringing blacks to America, for the sole purpose of having slaves. Then when they were freed at the end of the civil war they still treated the black person like a little less than human for the next nearly 100 years with Jim Crow laws.
That is not to say that the Jews haven't had it hard in their history. They are one of the most persecuted people on earth in terms of different times in their history when others have sought to annihiliate them from the earth. It really doesn't seem the same at all.

Whites were exclusively responsible for black slavery? Really?

Comparing Jews to blacks isn't a like-for-like comparison. I don't think anybody disputes that black people have been horribly mistreated over the decades, many times by other black people. Even as of now the largest killer of young black men is other young black men. But black people haven't been systematically rounded up and send to concentration camps to be exterminated in the same way the Jews were, right? Black people don't have a single country to call their own, surrounded by other countries who openly state a desire to "drive them into the sea" and refuse to acknowledge they even have a right to exist.

Yet for some reason you don't see Jews rioting. But then apparently nothing says "black lives matter" quite like smashing the windows at Best Buy and stealing a widescreen TV. For bonus points you can protest the injustice suffered by black people by looting a small business owned by a black couple, thereby making their lives even more difficult.

 

[NewCreation435]

Your comment about Trump being "white privilege" brigade did rather trivialise the situation.

Just stating a fact. Trump doesn't know what it means to be a minority or suffer from discrimination

 

[tango]

Just stating a fact. Trump doesn't know what it means to be a minority or suffer from discrimination

What has that got to do with the question of stopping rioting?

Even looking at some of the injustices black people have faced, when a white cop kills a black man there are riots and yet when black men kill dozens of black men nobody bats an eyelid. It's as if black lives don't matter if they are prematurely ended by other black people.

 

[Bluezone777]

I think it would be nice if people in general would stop playing the victim and wallowing in the past especially a past they had no direct part in. I would also say it would be nice if people focused on themselves instead of looking outward for someone to blame and to justify themselves not changing. One's attitude has way more control over one's life then their circumstances. Most people go through life with a rotten attitude and that attitude ultimately seeks to find the worst out of every situation even a good one to the point that every situation ultimately sours because of it. Unlike your circumstances which aren't always your doing, the attitude you have is always on you and no one else. I'd think people would stop rioting if they started focusing on themselves and changing wat they can instead of going out looking for someone else to change as if they can force feed change down anyone's throat and make it lasting. Spoiler Alert: You can't.

 

[NewCreation435]

What has that got to do with the question of stopping rioting?

Even looking at some of the injustices black people have faced, when a white cop kills a black man there are riots and yet when black men kill dozens of black men nobody bats an eyelid. It's as if black lives don't matter if they are prematurely ended by other black people.

It has everything to do with it. Trump has no empathy for others or what they have been through because he hasn't been through it himself. In his mind, there is no discrimination. He clearly can't relate and his actions have actually made things worse than better. He could have deescalated things easily by going on television and promising some reform and expressing empathy to the families, but he does not.

 

[tango]

It has everything to do with it. Trump has no empathy for others or what they have been through because he hasn't been through it himself. In his mind, there is no discrimination. He clearly can't relate and his actions have actually made things worse than better. He could have deescalated things easily by going on television and promising some reform and expressing empathy to the families, but he does not.

Let's face it, most people in high office haven't been through much of life's hardships. So many of them are so wealthy and so detached from the way the average person lives they probably wouldn't know it if it ran them over. Off the top of my head the only person who comes to mind who isn't that way would be AOC, who I gather was a bartender until joining the ranks of Congress (although given what she pushes would seem more likely to destroy jobs than create new ones, you might be forgiven for wondering if she has already forgotten her time pulling pints).

I'm not going to dispute the assertion that Trump could show a lot more empathy but it's not as if he's the only one. Look at Nancy Pelosi showing how she copes with the pandemic - freezers costing as much as the average person makes in a year stuffed with ice cream that costs many times what most of us would pay for ice cream. Or Joe Biden and his "you ain't black" comment - lots of empathy for non-white communities there, right?

Had he gone on TV and promised reform, what do you think would have happened? Would the rioters have listened to him? I suspect it's more likely they'd figure they've heard it all before and they'd just figure he was full of hot air like most of his predecessors. Empathy might work but even then it only goes so far - "sorry your son got killed by a bad cop" doesn't bring anyone back. Reform to weed out the bad cops and stop those prone to excessive force from joining up is needed but it's not as if that can happen overnight.