Leaving your family=inherit eternal life on Earth

[tango]

If you seriously believe God has told you that we are all in heaven now you need to read the end of the Revelation and see the description of the land where there is no more death, no more sorrow, no more pain etc. The land where the Tree of Life is freely available to us all.

That isn't much like where we are living today. So from there, I see a few possibilities:

1. God forgot to read the Revelation when he told you this (unlikely, to say the least)
2. Revelation doesn't belong in Scripture (unlikely)
3. God didn't tell you that we are all in heavn already. (Of the three, I'd put my money on this one)


Looking further at option (3) here, is it possible you imagined a voice in your mind? If, as you say, you heard an audible voice tell you something that's demonstrably not true then mention it to your doctor. Seriously - I know some responses you've had (including some of mine) have been a bit flippant but if you're hearing things that aren't there you should get checked out.

 

[brian100]

Heaven is side by side with Earth in another realm I have seen it.

Heaven is yesterday and tomorrow, and we're just today. Today don't last. God gets into you soul and hits you with grief on your lady love to motivate you. I already saw hell--- a place with no beloved--->wife. Now you know why I'm here.

 

[Lamb]

Heaven is side by side with Earth in another realm I have seen it.

Heaven is yesterday and tomorrow, and we're just today. Today don't last. God gets into you soul and hits you with grief on your lady love to motivate you. I already saw hell--- a place with no beloved--->wife. Now you know why I'm here.

Hell is a place without God.

 

[tango]

Heaven is side by side with Earth in another realm I have seen it.

Heaven is yesterday and tomorrow, and we're just today. Today don't last. God gets into you soul and hits you with grief on your lady love to motivate you. I already saw hell--- a place with no beloved--->wife. Now you know why I'm here.

I have to say I haven't got the faintest idea what you're trying to say here.

 

[brian100]

I said you will probbaly never see heaven?

 

[brian100]

The hell I saw had no beloved woman in it.. I'm there now.

I just have to leave my house and land and I will have the whole Jesus list to eternal life on Earth. Leaving doesn't imply selling it. How to leave it?? May be I end up in Africa. Nobody here could live my life.

I've lost everything just about.

 

[Lamb]

I said you will probbaly never see heaven?

Believers in the Christ will see heaven.

 

[tango]

I said you will probbaly never see heaven?

I will probably never see heaven, or we collectively will probably never see heaven?

On what basis do you make such a bold claim, given you're directly contradicting Jesus' promise that he was preparing a place for us? Do you know my fate better than Jesus does?

 

[tango]

The hell I saw had no beloved woman in it.. I'm there now.

Are you some kind of interdimensional traveller or something? How exactly do you flit between heaven, earth and hell like this?

I just have to leave my house and land and I will have the whole Jesus list to eternal life on Earth. Leaving doesn't imply selling it. How to leave it?? May be I end up in Africa. Nobody here could live my life.

Leaving a house is easy, put it on the rental market and live somewhere else. Sorry to disappoint you but that doesn't earn you a place in heaven any more than dead women buried in fields does.

I've lost everything just about.

You've mentioned this a few times. Have you gained the most priceless gift of all - a place in heaven? You seem sufficiently confused about just how you gain a place in heaven I figure it's worth asking.

 

[brian100]

I saw hell as a place where your true love isn't. I'm in it right now.

I have let my wife go (not my will) and shes one of those things on Jesus list. My child (s) are taken from me too. My Father is already gone and I grew up without him in my life. I only have leaving your house and land.. as the last thing.

 

[Lamb]

I saw hell as a place where your true love isn't. I'm in it right now.

I have let my wife go (not my will) and shes one of those things on Jesus list. My child (s) are taken from me too. My Father is already gone and I grew up without him in my life. I only have leaving your house and land.. as the last thing.

I don't mean to be rude but have you talked to a therapist or psychologist about all this since it's greatly affected you? This isn't meant in a harsh way but true concern since I can see that your past has impacted you to where you show some imbalance.

 

[brian100]

It don't bother me because Jesus has told me I will have Eternal Life on Earth 100X over if I have left these things for his sake. God is the only helper I have left.

It bothers me you'all think you will get these things with an easy life?

 

[Bluezone777]

You don't know the first thing about anyone here. How do you know anyone here has had an easy life? How do you know God is helping you and this isn't just you on your own doing your own thing and just claiming it's for God.

 

[brian100]

Did you see what I did with the Shroud?

 

[Bluezone777]

Not sure what you are referring to here. Care to explain what you did with the shroud?

 

[brian100]

They moved the topic to world Religions. I'm the first in 600 years to identify the man in the Shroud of Turin.

Jesus makes it clear that if you lose your life you have saved it. I have lost all my life.

 

[Lamb]

Since this thread is also unbiblical in that you think you're leaving your family is going to get you to heaven and not relying on Jesus' death and resurrection to save you, I'm moving this thread to World Religion & Speculative Theology as well.

 

[tango]

I saw hell as a place where your true love isn't. I'm in it right now.

I have let my wife go (not my will) and shes one of those things on Jesus list. My child (s) are taken from me too. My Father is already gone and I grew up without him in my life. I only have leaving your house and land.. as the last thing.

You're mixing metaphors again. "I'm in hell" used as a metaphor crops up all over the place but being in hell in a literal sense is a different proposition entirely. Look at what Jesus said about hell - it doesn't look much like life on earth.

You still seem to think that you earn a place in heaven by losing things. Sometimes God may call us to give up things or do something that disrupts our life in a big way but you don't earn a place in heaven just because you lost things on earth. You certainly don't get to claim credit because you walked away from the last things you owned just because, well, why exactly do you think that will help?

 

[tango]

They moved the topic to world Religions. I'm the first in 600 years to identify the man in the Shroud of Turin.

Jesus makes it clear that if you lose your life you have saved it. I have lost all my life.

You're not the first person in 600 years, it's been speculated about for a long time and you've proved precisely nothing. If you could prove something you'd be on TV talking about it rather than arguing with strangers on a small message board in a dark corner of the internet and failing to convince anyone. Let's face it, when you struggle to convince Christians (who believe Jesus died and rose again) you've got little chance of convincing people who don't believe Jesus ever existed or people who don't believe he rose from the dead. Maybe you'd convince someone who doesn't believe in Christ's resurrection that he bled onto his burial cloths and stained them, and their response would still be little more than "so what?". If Jesus didn't rise from the dead then even concrete proof that a bit of cloth was once wrapped around his body means nothing, and if Jesus did rise from the dead it doesn't matter whether it was this bit of cloth or that bit of cloth that was left folded in the empty tomb.

Jesus said anyone who loses their life for his sake will save it. Losing your life is dying. You can't mix and match terms and say that things that mattered are gone and therefore you have eternal life. Even if you die you don't get an automatic pass under what Jesus said - he said that if you lose your life for his sake rather than just if you lose your life. Everybody loses their life sooner or later, the death rate has stayed pretty constant for thousands of years (it's one per person, sooner or later).