Did Abraham conjure up his own faith...

[Particular]

Here's just one of the verses you reject. In context, which you claim makes it undeniable that the verse "MEANS" the opposite of what it says. Show us all how the context makes it OBVIOUS and UNDENIABLE.


"I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these things to you so that, if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth. Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness:

He was manifested in the flesh,
vindicated by the Spirit,
seen by angels,
proclaimed among the nations,
believed on in the world,
taken up in glory.

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer."




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Good passage, what does Paul tell us in 1 Timothy?

English Standard Version 1 Timothy 1:3-20 As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith. The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Certain persons, by swerving from these, have wandered away into vain discussion, desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions. Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted. I thank him who has given me strength, Christ Jesus our Lord, because he judged me faithful, appointing me to his service, though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief, and the grace of our Lord overflowed for me with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost. But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life. To the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen. This charge I entrust to you, Timothy, my child, in accordance with the prophecies previously made about you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith, among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

1 Timothy 4:1-10 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer. If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed. Have nothing to do with irreverent, silly myths. Rather train yourself for godliness; for while bodily training is of some value, godliness is of value in every way, as it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come. The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance. For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

1 Timothy 5:21-25 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality. Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, nor take part in the sins of others; keep yourself pure. (No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.) The sins of some people are conspicuous, going before them to judgment, but the sins of others appear later. So also good works are conspicuous, and even those that are not cannot remain hidden.

Notice that Paul does not say that men will lose the faith God gifted them when God made them alive with Christ.

Instead, in Paul's letter to Timothy, Paul is talking about the structure of the church and its function.

Therefore when Paul says that some will depart from the faith, he is saying they will abandon the teaching of God through the church and go off to teach heresy. These people never were given the gift of faith in the first place, but the did abandon the faith, which is the teaching of the church.

 

[Particular]

Apparently that "not bear false witness against" business is optional with you, then.

I'm not speaking falsely about out of context verse cherry picking.

 

[Albion]

I'm not speaking falsely about out of context verse cherry picking.

And I wasn't speaking of cherry picking scripture at all. But you probably already know that.

Now how about confronting the several other comments of yours that DO fit the description?

 

[Particular]

And I wasn't speaking of cherry picking scripture at all. But you probably already know that.

Now how about confronting the several other comments of yours that DO fit the description?

How about I say a few hail marys and get absolved by the priest down the block sitting on his patio drinking wine?

 

[Albion]

Sure. Whatever turns you on. It's certain that you will never deal with the issue under consideration here.

 

[Particular]

Sure. Whatever turns you on. It's certain that you will never deal with the issue under consideration here.

You're correct, because the issue really is in your own heart, but you want to blame me. So if you need to blame me, that's okay.

 

[Josiah]

Good passage, what does Paul tell us in 1 Timothy?

You prove that NOTHING in the context proves that 1 Timothy 4:1 "means" the opposite of what it says, that God was just kidding, that the CONTEXT makes it "obvious" and "undeniable" that what the verse says isn't true.

The same is true with all the other Scriptures you flat-out deny because the very words of God clearly contradict the new invention of a few radical later-day Calvinists 500 years ago often called "Once Saved, ALWAYS Saved."



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[Particular]

You prove that NOTHING in the context proves that 1 Timothy 4:1 "means" the opposite of what it says, that God was just kidding, that the CONTEXT makes it "obvious" and "undeniable" that what the verse says isn't true.

The same is true with all the other Scriptures you flat-out deny because the very words of God clearly contradict the new invention of a few radical later-day Calvinists 500 years ago often called "Once Saved, ALWAYS Saved."



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God never says the person whom he makes alive with Christ can die in the deadness of trespasses and sins by rejecting faith. Never in Paul's letter to Timothy does Paul ever state that, yet it is what you are implying and saying that God hath said.

Context makes it obvious that Paul is not saying what you are believing.
You believe that the God of heaven chooses to save and then leaves his wandering sheep to be forsaken.

Jesus tells us otherwise. I have shared with you what Jesus said. You can ignore it if you wish.

 

[Josiah]

1 Timothy 4:1, "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will ABANDON THE FAITH."

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God never says the person whom he makes alive with Christ can die in the deadness of trespasses and sins by rejecting faith. Never in Paul's letter to Timothy does Paul ever state that

You indicated the CONTEXT of these many, many, clear statements of God's Word (a few examples of which I've shared) proves it is obvious and undeniable that God is just kidding, that God "MEANS" the opposite of what He states, He is speaking in opposites. But you haven't show that to EVER be the case.

You choose to just take God's Word and SPIN it so that you claim that God actually "MEANS" the opposite of what He clearly says, because the clear, bold, obvious words of Scripture proves this unbiblical, horrible invention of a few, radical, latter-day Calvinists 500 years ago is undeniably wrong, so since you can't be wrong, ergo God is.


John 15:4-7, "Remain in me, and I will remain in you... If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."

Rev. 2:10, "Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Matthew 10:22, "He who stands firm to the end will be saved."

1 Timothy 4:1, "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."

Luke 8:13, "They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away."

John 8:31, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really My disciples."

Luke 21:19, "By standing firm you will gain life."

Hebrews 8:9, "They did not remain faithful to My covenant, and I turned away from them"

Gal. 5:4, "You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace."

Col. 1:23, "If you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel."

2 Peter 3:17, "Be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position."

Rev. 3:5, He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white.



Perhaps you disagree with God.... perhaps what the Bible SO OFTEN and SO CLEARLY says conflicts with the weird, new, almost universally rejected invention of a tiny few latter-day radical Calvinists often called "Once saved, ALWAYS saved" Perhaps you need to support this fundamental denial of the Gospel by asking questions while denying Scripture. Just because you can ask a question does NOT make the Bible wrong.




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[Particular]

You indicated the CONTEXT of these many, many, clear statements of God's Word (a few examples of which I've shared) proves it is obvious and undeniable that God is just kidding, that God "MEANS" the opposite of what He states, He is speaking in opposites. But you haven't show that to EVER be the case.

You choose to just take God's Word and SPIN it so that you claim that God actually "MEANS" the opposite of what He clearly says, because the clear, bold, obvious words of Scripture proves this unbiblical, horrible invention of a few, radical, latter-day Calvinists 500 years ago is undeniably wrong, so since you can't be wrong, ergo God is.


John 15:4-7, "Remain in me, and I will remain in you... If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."

Rev. 2:10, "Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Matthew 10:22, "He who stands firm to the end will be saved."

1 Timothy 4:1, "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."

Luke 8:13, "They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away."

John 8:31, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really My disciples."

Luke 21:19, "By standing firm you will gain life."

Hebrews 8:9, "They did not remain faithful to My covenant, and I turned away from them"

Gal. 5:4, "You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace."

Col. 1:23, "If you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel."

2 Peter 3:17, "Be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position."

Rev. 3:5, He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white.



Perhaps you disagree with God.... perhaps what the Bible SO OFTEN and SO CLEARLY says conflicts with the weird, new, almost universally rejected invention of a tiny few latter-day radical Calvinists often called "Once saved, ALWAYS saved" Perhaps you need to support this fundamental denial of the Gospel by asking questions while denying Scripture. Just because you can ask a question does NOT make the Bible wrong.




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Did Jesus lie when he said he is the shepherd and that he seeks out and finds his lost sheep?
Did he lie when he said that he would protect and keep all that the Father has given him?

If Jesus lied, then your position may be correct. If Jesus spoke truth, then your position must be false.

Did Jesus lie or speak truth?

There is no "He spoke truth, but..."in this answer. Jesus either is true orhe is a liar.

Jesus promised he would keep the sheep his Father gave him. I believe that to be true.

 

[Josiah]

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1 Timothy 4:1, "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will ABANDON THE FAITH."

You indicated the CONTEXT of these many, many, clear statements of God's Word (a few examples of which I've shared) proves it is obvious and undeniable that God is just kidding, that God "MEANS" the opposite of what He states, He is speaking in opposites. But you haven't show that to EVER be the case.

You choose to just take God's Word and SPIN it so that you claim that God actually "MEANS" the opposite of what He clearly says, because the clear, bold, obvious words of Scripture proves this unbiblical, horrible invention of a few, radical, latter-day Calvinists 500 years ago is undeniably wrong, so since you can't be wrong, ergo God is.



John 15:4-7, "Remain in me, and I will remain in you... If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."

Rev. 2:10, "Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Matthew 10:22, "He who stands firm to the end will be saved."

1 Timothy 4:1, "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."

Luke 8:13, "They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away."

John 8:31, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really My disciples."

Luke 21:19, "By standing firm you will gain life."

Hebrews 8:9, "They did not remain faithful to My covenant, and I turned away from them"

Gal. 5:4, "You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace."

Col. 1:23, "If you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel."

2 Peter 3:17, "Be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position."

Rev. 3:5, He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white.



Perhaps you disagree with God.... perhaps what the Bible SO OFTEN and SO CLEARLY says conflicts with the weird, new, almost universally rejected invention of a tiny few latter-day radical Calvinists often called "Once saved, ALWAYS saved" Perhaps you need to support this fundamental denial of the Gospel by asking questions while denying Scripture. Just because you can ask a question does NOT make the Bible wrong.

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Your ability to ask questions does NOT make God wrong. Satan tried the same thing with Eve in the Garden.





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[Particular]

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1 Timothy 4:1, "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will ABANDON THE FAITH."

You indicated the CONTEXT of these many, many, clear statements of God's Word (a few examples of which I've shared) proves it is obvious and undeniable that God is just kidding, that God "MEANS" the opposite of what He states, He is speaking in opposites. But you haven't show that to EVER be the case.

You choose to just take God's Word and SPIN it so that you claim that God actually "MEANS" the opposite of what He clearly says, because the clear, bold, obvious words of Scripture proves this unbiblical, horrible invention of a few, radical, latter-day Calvinists 500 years ago is undeniably wrong, so since you can't be wrong, ergo God is.



John 15:4-7, "Remain in me, and I will remain in you... If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."

Rev. 2:10, "Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Matthew 10:22, "He who stands firm to the end will be saved."

1 Timothy 4:1, "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."

Luke 8:13, "They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away."

John 8:31, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really My disciples."

Luke 21:19, "By standing firm you will gain life."

Hebrews 8:9, "They did not remain faithful to My covenant, and I turned away from them"

Gal. 5:4, "You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace."

Col. 1:23, "If you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel."

2 Peter 3:17, "Be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position."

Rev. 3:5, He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white.



Perhaps you disagree with God.... perhaps what the Bible SO OFTEN and SO CLEARLY says conflicts with the weird, new, almost universally rejected invention of a tiny few latter-day radical Calvinists often called "Once saved, ALWAYS saved" Perhaps you need to support this fundamental denial of the Gospel by asking questions while denying Scripture. Just because you can ask a question does NOT make the Bible wrong.






Your ability to ask questions does NOT make God wrong. Satan tried the same thing with Eve in the Garden.





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I can play this game all my life with you.

Does Jesus keep his sheep, as he promised, or not. It's a simple question, Josiah.

 

[Josiah]

It's a simple question, Josiah.

Your ability to ask questions does NOT make God wrong. Satan tried the same thing with Eve in the Garden.

Read the words God so often, so clearly, so boldly proclaimed on this.... and believe. Don't reject God's Word by placing your questions above God's Word. It is Satan's approach to get people to doubt God by asking questions....



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[Particular]

Your ability to ask questions does NOT make God wrong. Satan tried the same thing with Eve in the Garden.

Read the words God so often, so clearly, so boldly proclaimed on this.... and believe. Don't reject God's Word by placing your questions above God's Word. It is Satan's approach to get people to doubt God by asking questions....



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It makes you wrong, Josiah.

You have refused to answer whether God keeps his sheep, just as Jesus promised.

You imply that my question is Satanic. That's a big accusation, Josiah.

My question is scripture based.

Jesus tells us that the shepherd goes and finds his lost sheep and brings them back. Jesus tells us that he will never leave us nor forsake us. Jesus tells us that he will keep all the Father has given him.

Those are direct promises of God.

Is it possible that your cherry picking method of sentence quoting is producing a false interpretation of scripture? Can you even entertain that possibility, that your interpretation is wrong?

Now, I asked a simple question.

When Jesus makes these promises about his sheep, is he telling us the truth?

 

[Josiah]

Scripture is ALWAYS true.

ALL the words of all these Scriptures are true. Not false, not pretending, not "opposites."

John 15:4-7, "Remain in me, and I will remain in you... If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."

Rev. 2:10, "Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Matthew 10:22, "He who stands firm to the end will be saved."

1 Timothy 4:1, "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."

Luke 8:13, "They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away."

John 8:31, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really My disciples."

Luke 21:19, "By standing firm you will gain life."

Hebrews 8:9, "They did not remain faithful to My covenant, and I turned away from them"

Gal. 5:4, "You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace."

Col. 1:23, "If you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel."

2 Peter 3:17, "Be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position."




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[Particular]

Scripture is ALWAYS true.

ALL the words of all these Scriptures are true. Not false, not pretending, not "opposites."

John 15:4-7, "Remain in me, and I will remain in you... If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."

Rev. 2:10, "Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Matthew 10:22, "He who stands firm to the end will be saved."

1 Timothy 4:1, "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."

Luke 8:13, "They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away."

John 8:31, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really My disciples."

Luke 21:19, "By standing firm you will gain life."

Hebrews 8:9, "They did not remain faithful to My covenant, and I turned away from them"

Gal. 5:4, "You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace."

Col. 1:23, "If you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel."

2 Peter 3:17, "Be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position."




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Yep, scripture is always true, which is why when Jesus tells us that he is the good shepherd that finds his lost sheep...I believe him.
When Jesus says that all whom the Father gives him will never be taken, I believe him.
When Jesus says he will never leave us nor forsake us, I believe him.

When you cherry pick sentences out of biblical context, I don't agree with your interpretation of those passages.

Now, if you want to cling to cherry picked sentences to create a theology of forsakenness due to the sin from which God redeemed you, I cannot stop you. That is your choice and you can wallow in your fears.

I will trust what Jesus says and believe that the entire word of God gives clarity to the sentences you have cherry picked.

Do you wish to keep cherry picking verses to claim you have a legitimate argument or are we done here?

 

[Lamb]

Particular, what you're missing in the verses Josiah posted for you is that he's not saying that God leaves but that man can walk away from, turn away turn from or throw away faith. That's what those verses are stating. They are stating that man who once had faith can lose it by leaving God....not that God did anything like throwing him away. Do you see the difference now?

 

[Particular]

Particular, what you're missing in the verses Josiah posted for you is that he's not saying that God leaves but that man can walk away from, turn away turn from or throw away faith. That's what those verses are stating. They are stating that man who once had faith can lose it by leaving God....not that God did anything like throwing him away. Do you see the difference now?

I'm not missing what Josiah is saying. Instead, I am presenting what Jesus says about the one who walks away. Jesus tells us he is the good shepherd.

Luke 15:4-7 “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep that was lost.’ Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

John 10:3-5,7-18,25-30 To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

If a person comes into your church and portrays himself as a Christian but then forsakes the church and is never reconciled, they were wolves, not sheep. They were of another flock, not of Jesus flock.
Jesus promises his sheep. I believe his promise. I do not look for sentences that would speak against Jesus promise in an effort to be fearful or doubting.
The sentences Josiah quotes out of context are misused and misunderstood by Josiah. They are not saying that Jesus sheep will forsake Jesus and he will let them die alone in the wilderness and leave them.
If Josiah and you want to live with fear that God will not track you down when you wander astray, that is your perogative. I am declaring from scripture that he will never leave you nor forsake you no matter where you wander.

 

[Lamb]

Particular, you still haven't addressed what was stated within the verses and instead you are saying that they are out of context and misunderstood and that's not factual. The verses do not discount God's promises so you can stop shoving that line repeatedly. The verses state what happens when man throws out faith that God has given to him. Reflect on that and you'll see that the verses hold to be true...because there are plenty of them within scripture.

 

[Josiah]

I'm not missing what Josiah is saying. Instead, I am presenting what Jesus says about the one who walks away. Jesus tells us he is the good shepherd.

You ARE denying and "walking away" from SO MANY clear, bold statements of God. It conflicts with the dogma you hold, a dogma invented in the 16th Century (almost universally rejected today) invented by a tiny few radical latter-day Calvinists, a dogma that flat-out contradicts God's Word, a dogma often known as "ONCE saved, ALWAYS saved."

When you quote the Gospel, you accept it - AS IS, AS STATED, fully, without spin. Good for you! Everyone here fully, completely, absolutely, passionately agrees with you! But then you do a 180 when it comes to the Law, you reject it, deny it, repudiate it, insist God just cannot be correct and must be speaking in opposites or just kidding. You don't accept it, you wildly SPIN it so that you insist God "MEANS" the exact opposite of what He clearly, boldly, exactly, repeatedly states. All because these MANY verses just prove your dogma is wrong (as nearly all Calvinists realize)

And you subject SOME Scriptures to the same principle the Devil used in the Garden: attempt to show God is wrong by asking a question. Questions do NOT prove that God is wrong, questions to NOT prove the Law is wrong. A question MIGHT show you don't understand something but it does NOT prove God is lying.

The sentences Josiah quotes out of context

Which you've never even tried to prove. I arbitrarily picked one verse (of many, many, many identical ones) and put it into its context. You could not show that the context proves that God was just kidding and didn't mean what He said. You just ignored the context - entirely.



Stop denying. Read and believe. If it proves that HORRIBLE dogma you embrace, that TERRIFYING dogma invented by a tiny few radical, latter-day Calvinists in the late 16th Century that almost no one accepts, then friend - you have discovered why it's hard to find a Calvinist who holds to this obviously unbiblical teaching. Now, maybe you struggle to know how Law and Gospel interplay on this point (and if so, join the club) but you essentially denying what God says (because you can ask questions - who cares if your point is God is wrong) is not a wise approach. God is bigger than you seem to accept, God is Sovereign as you seem to reject, God is NOT subject to your questions or spins, God does not err. Even if you can ask questions that implies it (just as Satan did in the Garden). Maybe you can step back.... and see a fundamental flaw in Calvinism, and not just on this point.




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