USA Dems - Looks like Biden or Sanders?

[Lamb]

Bloomberg is dropping out of the Presidential race so it looks like it's between Biden or Sanders now because Warren didn't get too much attention yesterday.

Both are very old...should we be looking at who their choices for Vice President be? I'm not kidding.

 

[tango]

Given the choice between one guy who is pushing 80 and another guy who isn't far behind and had a recent heart scare, I'd say health concerns alone are pretty major reasons to find a different candidate.

Interesting to see Joe Biden drew more support from female voters than Elizabeth Warren did. Maybe the silliness of "sexism is the only reason not to vote for (female candidate)" has been left behind along with Hillary Clinton. Although it does seem ironic that the party of identity politics has shaken out the female candidates and the gay candidate, and is now left with a choice between two rich old white men. Maybe Mayor Pete really wasn't gay enough to count as a gay candidate.

 

[vince284]

Bloomberg is dropping out of the Presidential race so it looks like it's between Biden or Sanders now because Warren didn't get too much attention yesterday.

Both are very old...should we be looking at who their choices for Vice President be? I'm not kidding.

I read that Biden will pick Hillary for VP and then he will gracefully quit because his dementia worsens and Hillary becomes first woman president and pardons the Bidens for the Ukraine corruption. Michelle Obama steps in as VP.

 

[tango]

I'm still hoping Donald Trump announces that he identifies as female. The Democrats would have to either hail him - sorry, her - as the first female president or drop their gender identity silliness. The Republicans would have to either accept some people are not heteronormative or dump their candidate. If ever there were a moment to buy shares in popcorn manufacturers that would be it.

 

[NewCreation435]

Bloomberg is dropping out of the Presidential race so it looks like it's between Biden or Sanders now because Warren didn't get too much attention yesterday.

Both are very old...should we be looking at who their choices for Vice President be? I'm not kidding.

Democrats seem to be lining up to support Biden now. It would be interesting to see who he picks as VP, but I would never vote for him whoever it is.

 

[tango]

Democrats seem to be lining up to support Biden now. It would be interesting to see who he picks as VP, but I would never vote for him whoever it is.

It seems there's a rather curious choice between the former VP who is old enough to be a liability and whose brain and mouth have different ideas on how sentences should develop, or the crackpot socialist who promises the earth on the basis that someone else will pay.

It's bizarre to think of Biden as the sensible one but, given the alternative, maybe not so much.

 

[Albion]

It wouldn't be wise of Biden to choose someone like Hillary, Elizabeth Warren, or Kamala Harris, all of whom have been mentioned. They are too controversial, and none of them would bring along the electoral college votes of some state that otherwise might be lost to President Trump. Someone like Amy Klobuchar would do better.

 

[tango]

I read an interesting article in The Guardian's web site (a UK newspaper with a moderate left-leaning tendency) that said, among other things, that the greatest liability to the Joe Biden momentum was Joe Biden himself. If I recall it was the same paper that noted Twitter Democrats are much more liberal than the party as a whole, and it looks like the party as a whole is more moderate than social media might suggest. That's perhaps not a huge surprise.

I suspect that the more liberal/progressive wing of the Democrat party would still vote for anyone with a blue rosette, while the more moderate wing might be turned off by a left-wing firebrand like Sanders or Clinton (edit: meant to say Warren). It would be ironic if a moderate Democrat candidate appointed a firebrand as their running mate, only to lose moderate voters to the Republicans. Perhaps it would be their version of when John McCain appointed Sarah Palin as his running mate.

 

[Josiah]

A candidate must not choose a VP that outshines him....

That makes it a REAL problem for Biden.




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[tango]

A candidate must not choose a VP that outshines him....

That makes it a REAL problem for Biden.

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Not really, he just needs some other creepy person who sniffs people.

 

[tango]

A couple of articles I found interesting. One from the Guardian that I mentioned earlier (a UK newspaper with a left-wing slant), and another from National Review. Seems both left and right leaning publications don't have a lot of faith in Joe.

Joe Biden is surging but his campaign has one weak spot: Joe Biden himself | Cas Mudde

There is little reason to assume ‘Joementum’ will die off soon – but gaffes have killed his earlier runs and could still kill this one too

www.theguardian.com

Democrats Should Be Very, Very Nervous | National Review

If doddering Joe Biden is your party’s best hope, your party might be in deep trouble.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[hotrhymez]

Why would anyone vote for Biden hes honestly creepy IMO...

and Sanders looks like Santa Claus with his bad hair do..

Looks like another Trump victory is coming.....

 

[hedrick]

Although it does seem ironic that the party of identity politics has shaken out the female candidates and the gay candidate, and is now left with a choice between two rich old white men. Maybe Mayor Pete really wasn't gay enough to count as a gay candidate.

Or perhaps most Democrats aren't actually interested in identity politics.

 

[tango]

Or perhaps most Democrats aren't actually interested in identity politics.

Perhaps, it's usually the most vocal element on each side that gives the rest a bad name, even when the majority doesn't agree with them.

I did find it curious to read about Nancy Pelosi banging the same old drum about misogyny after Elizabeth Warren dropped out, although apparently in this case "misogyny" means women voters finding Biden more appealing than Warren.

 

[hedrick]

There's some evidence that people are more likely to vote for a man than a woman, though I'm not sure the bias is large. But that wasn't Warren's problem. She wasn't as inspiring as Sanders, but was too radical for people who wanted a moderate. She might actually have been a reasonable compromise between the two, but Sanders inspired the progressives and Biden the ones looking for safety.

 

[Albion]

I read an interesting article in The Guardian's web site (a UK newspaper with a moderate left-leaning tendency) that said, among other things, that the greatest liability to the Joe Biden momentum was Joe Biden himself. If I recall it was the same paper that noted Twitter Democrats are much more liberal than the party as a whole, and it looks like the party as a whole is more moderate than social media might suggest. That's perhaps not a huge surprise.

The party as a whole MAY be more moderate than the media might suggest, but that refers only to people who generally vote Democratic. The leadership is completely gone to extremism a la Bernie Sanders and "The Squad." No moderate has any influence in the Party now, not even somewhat moderate activists and commentators from the Bill Clinton era. And, after all is said and done, it is the leadership of the Party that defines the Party's strategy, policies, platform, and so on.

 

[tango]

There's some evidence that people are more likely to vote for a man than a woman, though I'm not sure the bias is large. But that wasn't Warren's problem. She wasn't as inspiring as Sanders, but was too radical for people who wanted a moderate. She might actually have been a reasonable compromise between the two, but Sanders inspired the progressives and Biden the ones looking for safety.

She also had the issue of untruthfulness, for example her claim to be Native American. Sanders might be a left-wing nutjob in the eyes of many but he does seem to shoot pretty straight and not misrepresent himself.

 

[tango]

The party as a whole MAY be more moderate than the media might suggest, but that refers only to people who generally vote Democratic. The leadership is completely gone to extremism a la Bernie Sanders and "The Squad." No moderate has any influence in the Party now, not even somewhat moderate activists and commentators from the Bill Clinton era. And, after all is said and done, it is the leadership of the Party that defines the Party's strategy, policies, platform, and so on.

In fairness "The Squad" is four people. It's hard to know to what extent the extreme left silliness has infected the party as a whole. The resurgence of Joe Biden suggests that maybe the hardcore left remain a minority, even if a large minority.

 

[Albion]

In fairness "The Squad" is four people. It's hard to know to what extent the extreme left silliness has infected the party as a whole. The resurgence of Joe Biden suggests that maybe the hardcore left remain a minority, even if a large minority.

Okay. First, it should be noted that a number of members openly professing Socialism is a significant turn for the Democratic Party and would be for either of the big two parties. Until just recently, any suggestion of a Democrat being a Socialist was resisted with as much determination as if the accuser had said the candidate or officeholder was a Nazi. No more. The change is real and it has been reported by many observers that the Party's leadership is afraid of doing much of anything in public to resist the trend.

Not even Pelosi would do so much as to verbally reject the extremism of those Congresswomen through a simple Congressional resolution. Then too, a majority of the 17 or so candidates who were debating only weeks ago agreed with the Socialist policies espoused by Bernie and "The Squad," even while those candidates were posing as "Moderates." In sum, the evidence is there, and this development within the Democratic Party cannot be reduced to something as misleading as counting noses ("In fairness 'The Squad' is four people").

Second, this is why the Party's leadership has united behind the likes of Joe Biden. It's not because he's so compelling as a candidate; it's because that appears to be the only way to stop Sanders, given that the same Party strategists are afraid to just speak out against the Socialist inroads that have already been made by their extremists.

 

[Josiah]

Another reason why the eventual nominee matters....

In the Democrat Party, the presidential NOMINEE becomes the head of the party and can change EVERYTHING - whether such wins the general election or not. Right now, the DNC is filled entirely with appointees of Hillery Clinton (several are carry-overs from Obama and Bill Clinton) and by CURRENT standards, are regarded as "moderates" (they weren't considered so when they were picked but the Democrat Party is moving left FAST). Thing is, if Sanders gets the nomination, all those will be fired and replaced by radicals - socialists and communists. But it is expected that Biden will largely leave well enough alone.

So the current leadership is looking out for their jobs and power..... and FEARING (for good reason) what will happen to the party if Sanders gets the nomination.




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