Pete Buttigieg Presidential Candidate, what is a Christian to do?

[hobie]

Lets look at what we have on this presidential candidate...
"Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg[1] (/ˈbuːtəˌdʒɛdʒ/ BOOT-ə-jehj;[2][3] born January 19, 1982) is an American politician, former Mayor of South Bend, Indiana and candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2020 United States presidential election.

Buttigieg launched his campaign for the 2020 United States presidential election on April 14, 2019, after forming an exploratory committee in January.[7][8] He became the first openly gay person to seek the Democratic nomination.[9]... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Buttigieg

The Bible is clear on this issue as we see the clear context of what it is saying...
Leviticus 18:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

So what is the path a Christian should take in accordance with the Bible.

 

[hedrick]

You’re free not to vote for him if you feel committed to obey the rules in Leviticus. Not sure what else to say. If you don’t approve of a candidate don’t vote for them.

 

[tango]

I'm not sure why you included v23 in your text, unless you're trying to imply that he has desired for animals as well as for men.

As for what a Christian should do, vote for your principles. If you were to eliminate every politician because they don't uphold every single aspect of Scripture your only real option would be to write in "Jesus Christ".

 

[hedrick]

Evangelicals are now telling us that the moral character of a candidate doesn't matter anyway. Or is that only true for Republican candidates?

Personally I don't have any problem with his character. He seems to be the most upright of the nominees I've seen from either party, and one for whom his Christianity is real. He's also clearly the smartest, with a variety of relevant experience, and pretty much at the middle of the political spectrum.

 

[hobie]

Evangelicals are now telling us that the moral character of a candidate doesn't matter anyway. Or is that only true for Republican candidates?

Personally I don't have any problem with his character. He seems to be the most upright of the nominees I've seen from either party, and one for whom his Christianity is real. He's also clearly the smartest, with a variety of relevant experience, and pretty much at the middle of the political spectrum.

Well, Castro was one of the sharpest and smartest fellows you could ever meet, and he ran circles around all the others and even those who considered him a friend. But his intent and end game led to the destruction of the people and country he supposedly came to save from what it was in. Got to have good character and good morals not just be smart and 'experienced'...

 

[psalms 91]

Wish Trump supporters would vote their faith, isnt a lot he hasnt broken in one way or another

 

[hedrick]

Well, Castro was one of the sharpest and smartest fellows you could ever meet, and he ran circles around all the others and even those who considered him a friend. But his intent and end game led to the destruction of the people and country he supposedly came to save from what it was in. Got to have good character and good morals not just be smart and 'experienced'...

That’s why I said he’s in the middle of the road politically. He’s not one who shows any signs of extremist schemes on either left of right.

 

[Lamb]

Every single human being is going to have a sin we can call out. Which sins can you personally tolerate over the others? I'd rather not have humans slaughtered in the womb. That's the one that gets to me the most. So I do vote according to my faith.

 

[hobie]

That’s why I said he’s in the middle of the road politically. He’s not one who shows any signs of extremist schemes on either left of right.

Yep, Castro never showed any either, till he got control...

 

[hedrick]

Yep, Castro never showed any either, till he got control...

Huh? He was a Communist revolutionary.

 

[hedrick]

Every single human being is going to have a sin we can call out. Which sins can you personally tolerate over the others? I'd rather not have humans slaughtered in the womb. That's the one that gets to me the most. So I do vote according to my faith.

You might consider evaluating what policies will actually reduce abortion. As we've learned repeatedly, outlawing things isn't always the best approach.

 

[Lamb]

You might consider evaluating what policies will actually reduce abortion. As we've learned repeatedly, outlawing things isn't always the best approach.

But turning a blind eye is not a good excuse to allow it to happen either.

 

[hedrick]

But turning a blind eye is not a good excuse to allow it to happen either.

In today's climate, with drugs that will induce miscarriage, the only way to really stop it is to investigate miscarriages as potential murders. We're already seeing a few isolated signs of that. The old prohibitions only went after a few doctors. The new ones are going after women. I believe this will end up producing a backlash against your cause. It will also give another product line to organized crime. Laws whose purposes are to send messages rather than actually solve problems are dangerous.

 

[hedrick]

We had a compromise where abortion was protected during the first trimester, but could be regulated. As states are moving in a more radical direction in prohibition, people who want to allow abortion (which is, I note, still a majority) are concluding that it's not safe to allow any restrictions. I believe we're in for a period of up to a decade where a few states prohibit abortion, but the states where most people live remove all restrictions. In the end, I suspect everyone will go that way.

I actually don't like late-term abortions, although they're rare and tend to be for good reason. But I believe the end result of the anti-abortion movement is going to be deregulation of abortions.

We'd be better off with the original compromise and concerted attempts to attack the things that lead mothers to have abortions.

 

[tango]

One eternal problem is that very few issues can easily resolve into "good" or "bad". The idea that abortion is little more than the last line of contraception really should be abhorrent to a Christian but beyond that the simple reality is that there are times when there are perfectly valid reasons to have an abortion. While some might still debate the morality of ending one life to save another it is not unreasonable for a mother carrying an ectopic pregnancy to wish to save her own life even if it means terminating a pregnancy. I personally know people who aborted a pregnancy well into the third trimester because it was clear that the child's chance of living was vanishingly small and the chance of the mother surviving carrying the pregnancy to term were also small. They desperately wanted that child but decided to terminate it rather than risk losing both mother and baby. An outright ban on abortion with no exceptions would condemn the mother to a likely premature death, while allowing exceptions immediately opens the door to sympathetic doctors claiming that this or that exception applies when it really doesn't.

Perhaps one part of a solution might be to get away from society's seemingly endless obsession with having as much sex as possible with as many people as possible.

 

[Josiah]

Why I hold that abortion is the #1 issue... Why for me, this moral issue is a "deal breaker" in voting. I'm not a "one-issue" voter but there is one issue that automatically disqualifies a candidate, no matter how much I may agree otherwise.

https://christianityhaven.com/index.php?threads/why-im-pro-life.2256/



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[JRT]

If we wish to minimize the abortion rate, making it illegal is the wrong way to go about it. There are nations where abortion is totally illegal and carries severe penalties, where the abortion rate is much higher than in nations where it is legal. The reason for this is that the two most potent abortifacients in the world are ignorance and poverty and in those nations you have both. But even in developed nations you can still have ignorance and poverty. In some quarters there is great reluctance to providing sex education, particularly birth control information. The same applies to the provision of pre-natal and post-natal care and delivery at an affordable cost to low income mothers in particular. In some case that would mean at no cost.

The USA and Canada are both affluent nations. In the USA abortion services are not readily available and attempts are being made to further reduce that availability or eliminate it entirely. In Canada we have universal single payer medical care and there are no abortion laws. Abortion is fully funded under Canadian medicare. Does Canada have a higher rate of abortion? No! The abortion rate in the USA is 50% greater than in Canada.

I believe that abortion should be legal, it should be safe, it should be available and it should be the woman’s informed choice but most important of all --- it should be rare. In conclusion, we should always keep in mind that there are no more powerful abortifacients in the world than poverty and ignorance.

There is one thing that a great many people don’t understand about being pro-choice. You do not have to morally agree with abortion to be pro-choice. That is why it is not called pro-abortion. It is an undertstanding that you can’t make that choice for someone else. In fact most pro-choice people are not pro-abortion.

 

[Josiah]

Why I hold that abortion is the #1 issue... Why for me, this moral issue is a "deal breaker" in voting. I'm not a "one-issue" voter but there is one issue that automatically disqualifies a candidate, no matter how much I may agree otherwise.

https://christianityhaven.com/index.php?threads/why-im-pro-life.2256/



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If we wish to minimize the abortion rate, making it illegal is the wrong way to go about it.

...then let's make murder, rape, child abuse all legal.

There are nations where abortion is totally illegal and carries severe penalties, where the abortion rate is much higher than in nations where it is legal.

Can you give some examples? In what countries is abortion entirely illegal but the abortion rate is HIGHER than in the USA? Can you list a few major countries?

There is one thing that a great many people don’t understand about being pro-choice. You do not have to morally agree with abortion to be pro-choice.

Odd because the one most impacted by abortion is never consulted and has no choice whatsoever. None. Just as in the days of slavery (when the "Pro-Choice" argument was invented), the African was given NO CHOICE AT ALL. In Nazi Germany, the Jew was given NO CHOICE AT ALL. So much for "pro-choice", it ONLY means the one with sufficient political power has the ability to kill those who have less.

It is an understanding that you can’t make that choice for someone else.

I agree. I suspect all 56 MILLION unborn children killed each year would say the same, if it mattered. As would all the Africans enslaved for over 300 years, as would all 6 million Jews in Nazi Germany.





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[NewCreation435]

I would vote for him for several reasons. One being his only real experience as far as I know is a mayor of a small town. He doesn't have the experience to run the country. There are also moral reasons such as his lifestyle and his being pro abortion.

 

[JRT]

I would vote for him for several reasons. One being his only real experience as far as I know is a mayor of a small town. He doesn't have the experience to run the country. There are also moral reasons such as his lifestyle and his being pro abortion.

Make up your mind, your post contradicts itself. As far as I am aware no one is pro abortion but I am glad that he is pro choice.