Jesus Christ taught two resurrections...

[Lamb]

I'm going to say this once and then the conversation about staff actions should cease. Threads that contain unorthodox beliefs are moved to the World Religion & Speculative Theology forum. If the OP does not believe in the Trinity or adhere to the Nicene Creed those members should post in the World Religion & Speculative Theology forums.

Any further discussions on this will be trashed. Back on topic please.

 

[Albion]

Now I am clearly using the Word of God and the words of Christ Himself, as you inferred that I was basically not using the NT but the OT, as if that is not Cannon/Scripture.

Looks like a lot of misunderstanding of what I wrote in that post. I know; it happens.

It's spelled CANON, by the way. I usually assume that someone who lectures about the Canon knows that it's not an artillery piece.

 

[hobie]

I'm going to say this once and then the conversation about staff actions should cease. Threads that contain unorthodox beliefs are moved to the World Religion & Speculative Theology forum. If the OP does not believe in the Trinity or adhere to the Nicene Creed those members should post in the World Religion & Speculative Theology forums.

Any further discussions on this will be trashed. Back on topic please.

So if they are the words of Christ directly, then are they 'unorthodox'?

John 5:29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[Michael]

Are you stating the Lutherans are then not actually Christian, I think they would disagree...

No. Not saying that. They just have a different understanding of Scripture, and have brought some man-made traditions into their religion, as has every other denomination.

Honestly, anyone who has truly "denied themselves, picked up their cross and is following Jesus", "presenting their body a living sacrifice", walking in repentance and obedience and partaking of His substance daily, is a "Christian."

 

[Albion]

So if they are the words of Christ directly, then are they 'unorthodox'?

You did include your own interpretation (or the usual SDA interpretation) of the meaning of those words, though.

 

[hobie]

You did include your own interpretation (or the usual SDA interpretation) of the meaning of those words, though.

No, it clearly says what the OP is on.

Christ said directly that we would be resurrected over and over...

Luke 20:36
Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Luke 14:14
And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Mark 12:18-25 King James Version (KJV)
18 Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; and they asked him, saying,
19 Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
20 Now there were seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and dying left no seed.
21 And the second took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise.
22 And the seven had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also.
23 In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Bible scholars agree that the resurrection of the dead has been among the articles that defined Christian belief since the earliest days of the church.

 

[Albion]

I know that this won't change anything, but it's amazing how you can say that something "clearly says" when what the verse says is nothing like your interpretation of the words.

 

[hobie]

Here is from the Lutherans...

"The resurrection of the dead is one of the neglected portions of the Apostles’ Creed. Even though we recite it often, indeed, every day, many people only think of the interim state when they think of heaven. Unfortunately, by doing so they are missing out on the inexpressible, glorious hope which we have. Just as Christ has been raised from the dead, we too shall be raised to new life. Luther continues in the Large Catechism: “We will come forth gloriously and arise in a new, eternal life of entire and perfect holiness.”[2] In this life, we are growing in sanctification, but we must still contend with the corruption in our nature. But, in the resurrection of the body, there will be no more forgiveness because there will be no more sin. And that will be a glorious day for all believers in Christ: “We will be full of godliness and righteousness, removed and free from sin, death, and all evil, in a new, immortal, and glorified body.”[3] One day, our struggle against sin, death, and the power of the devil will be over. We will no longer be soldiers of Christ, fighting against the infernal foe, but we shall shine like the stars in the firmament, at peace for all time.

The resurrection of Christ teaches us many things. It shows us that He truly is the Son of God, that His work of redemption is complete and sufficient, and that His words and His works are utterly divine and true. But Christ’s resurrection also teaches us that He has destroyed death by death and has removed the debt of sin which we owe. And because we are in Christ, we too shall never see death, as He promised. Our lives are hidden with Christ in God, and on the Last Day, we will see Him face to face, because we shall be as He is. Come quickly, Lord Jesus!" https://lutheranreformation.org/theology/resurrection-christians-lutheran-confessions/