Biden Denied Communion in Catholic Church

[Josiah]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...olina-church-over-abortion-stance-report-says


Bidon claims to be Catholic and thus accepts "closed communion" but of course repudiates his church's view on abortion, being very radically pro-death, supporting that every mother can murder her unborn child for any or no reason right up to the moment when the last cell of the toe exits the birth canal; even if that means stabbing the babies neck to sever the spinal cord as the head is pulled from the mother. And the government should pay for this if the mother cannot. Biden has indicated he will appoint pro-death judges and fully fund death providers.

This is the antithesis of the Catholic Church's position. And as a Catholic, he supports that those who are clearly and subbornly repudiating of official Catholic positions are not to be given Communion. He recieved the outcome of this.

It AMAZES me how many Catholics and pro-life non-Catholics will support Biden and all the rest of the candidates running for the Democrat Party nomination - all of whom are at least as pro-death as is Biden. I image these are the same type who 200 years ago supported pro-slavery Democrats because they liked their stance on trade with Italy or some other rather minor issue and just didn't care about the slavery issue. Personally, I cannot understand how a voter can just turn away from 1.3 MILLION babies killed every year in the USA because our trade policies with Italy (or getting their college debt paid for by increasing the national debt) is simply much more important.

While I don't exactly agree with the RCC's practice of "closed communion" (because, unlike Biden, I'm not Catholic) but I give a lot of credit to the Catholic Church not bending and actually holding that 1.3 million innocent babies per year is more important than being political correct and bowing to a powerful politician regardless of his passionate objective (e.g. killing babies).

 

[Lamb]

I saw this on a Lutheran Group on Facebook and I commented how it was within the priest's right to withhold communion and some Lutherans posted not all Catholics believe in pro-life or closed communion. Whether or not all Catholics believe is moot...it's what the Church stands for.

 

[JRT]

My understanding is that Joe Biden accepts Roman Catholic teaching on abortion but does not accept that the RCC has the authority to impose that belief on a nation that is multi-religious.

 

[NewCreation435]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...olina-church-over-abortion-stance-report-says


Bidon claims to be Catholic and thus accepts "closed communion" but of course repudiates his church's view on abortion, being very radically pro-death, supporting that every mother can murder her unborn child for any or no reason right up to the moment when the last cell of the toe exits the birth canal; even if that means stabbing the babies neck to sever the spinal cord as the head is pulled from the mother. And the government should pay for this if the mother cannot. Biden has indicated he will appoint pro-death judges and fully fund death providers.

This is the antithesis of the Catholic Church's position. And as a Catholic, he supports that those who are clearly and subbornly repudiating of official Catholic positions are not to be given Communion. He recieved the outcome of this.

It AMAZES me how many Catholics and pro-life non-Catholics will support Biden and all the rest of the candidates running for the Democrat Party nomination - all of whom are at least as pro-death as is Biden. I image these are the same type who 200 years ago supported pro-slavery Democrats because they liked their stance on trade with Italy or some other rather minor issue and just didn't care about the slavery issue. Personally, I cannot understand how a voter can just turn away from 1.3 MILLION babies killed every year in the USA because our trade policies with Italy (or getting their college debt paid for by increasing the national debt) is simply much more important.

While I don't exactly agree with the RCC's practice of "closed communion" (because, unlike Biden, I'm not Catholic) but I give a lot of credit to the Catholic Church not bending and actually holding that 1.3 million innocent babies per year is more important than being political correct and bowing to a powerful politician regardless of his passionate objective (e.g. killing babies).

I'm a little confused, you say you don't support the practice of "closed communion" but that is my understanding of what Lutherans do as well? I believe we have had that conversation before.
I thought in the Catholic church you had to be a member of the parish of the priest who was serving communion in order to participate?

 

[Albion]

I thought in the Catholic church you had to be a member of the parish of the priest who was serving communion in order to participate?

Absolutely not.

 

[Josiah]

I'm a little confused, you say you don't support the practice of "closed communion" but that is my understanding of what Lutherans do as well? I believe we have had that conversation before.
I thought in the Catholic church you had to be a member of the parish of the priest who was serving communion in order to participate?

I posted that I don't EXACTLY agree with the RCC's practice. Lutherans are pretty much all over the map on the PRAXIS of "close" or "closed" or "open" or "kinda/sorta open or close" communion. Another issue for another day and thread. No, SOME Catholic parishes actually employ no policy at all.... whoever comes forward to receive (and seems old enough) is given the Sacrament (my parish was like that in practice). Some only allow Catholics (who have celebrated First Communion). Some only those "in good standing." A lot depends on the priest and the parish (and the Bishop). But I've never heard of a Catholic Church not welcoming a fellow Catholic even if they are of a different parish; indeed when I was in Spain, it was just assumed that since I had celebrated First Communion, I could receive the Sacrament there even though I was now Lutheran.


But the point is here is not communion practices but rather a priest who actually CARES that Biden is radically pro-abortion and repudiates the stance of his own denomination on a very important issue. Good for him. That priest appears to be a rare Catholic (indeed, rare Christian)




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[NewCreation435]

I posted that I don't EXACTLY agree with the RCC's practice. Lutherans are pretty much all over the map on the PRAXIS of "close" or "closed" or "open" or "kinda/sorta open or close" communion. Another issue for another day and thread. No, SOME Catholic parishes actually employ no policy at all.... whoever comes forward to receive (and seems old enough) is given the Sacrament (my parish was like that in practice). Some only allow Catholics (who have celebrated First Communion). Some only those "in good standing." A lot depends on the priest and the parish (and the Bishop). But I've never heard of a Catholic Church not welcoming a fellow Catholic even if they are of a different parish; indeed when I was in Spain, it was just assumed that since I had celebrated First Communion, I could receive the Sacrament there even though I was now Lutheran.


But the point is here is not communion practices but rather a priest who actually CARES that Biden is radically pro-abortion and repudiates the stance of his own denomination on a very important issue. Good for him. That priest appears to be a rare Catholic (indeed, rare Christian)




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Okay, I thought Lutheran was always closed communion. I have very limited experience with Catholic mass. I have attended exactly two Catholic services and one was a funeral. They had the Eucharist during the funeral service and only members of that parish came forward to receive it. i thought that was the rule of Catholic churches. I appear to be wrong in my assumption.
I do wonder how Biden was informed that he should not take part in communion. Did they tell him not to come forward ahead of time or was there a conversation when he came forward? I do applaud the priest for standing up for his convictions

 

[Lamb]

Okay, I thought Lutheran was always closed communion. I have very limited experience with Catholic mass. I have attended exactly two Catholic services and one was a funeral. They had the Eucharist during the funeral service and only members of that parish came forward to receive it. i thought that was the rule of Catholic churches. I appear to be wrong in my assumption.
I do wonder how Biden was informed that he should not take part in communion. Did they tell him not to come forward ahead of time or was there a conversation when he came forward? I do applaud the priest for standing up for his convictions

A lot of Christians feel entitled to Holy Communion without regard for their differences among others which is something that they are warned about in scripture. Communion isn't just vertical with God but horizontal with the fellow congregants.

 

[psalms 91]

Communion is about you and your relationship with God the admonition in scripture is not about others. Wheter you are worthy or not is and should be between you and God with no man refusing another Christian.

 

[Albion]

Communion is about you and your relationship with God the admonition in scripture is not about others. Wheter you are worthy or not is and should be between you and God with no man refusing another Christian.

On the other hand, the idea has long been that Communion is a very sacred thing and is meant for the true followers of Christ and members of his church, not for a wider audience.

In the very early days of the church, even the "catechumens" (people who were "in training" for being baptized) were required to leave the worship service when the priest began to prepare the bread and wine.

Still today, when that sort of thing is not done any longer, the formats of the Mass and Divine Liturgy in the Roman and Eastern Orthodox churches respectively retain references to that practice in the wording of their worship services.

 

[Josiah]

This thread is not about the various concepts of "close" communion. Note the forum. Note the opening post.


It's about Biden's strong pro-abortion stance, and how it conflicts with his stated Catholicism. And yes, I respect the Catholic Church for actually taking it's pro-life stance seriously.





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[JRT]

Joe Biden is caught in a dilemma. Morality is involved with your personal relationship with God. While ethics is concerned with your personal relationship with the world. He has chosen a narrow path. While he personally accepts the teaching of the RCC on abortion, he realizes that as a politician elected by the people at large he caconvictions on them. It is a very difficult and very courageous stance. I applaud him for it. nnot inflict his personal religious

 

[JRT]

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[Lamb]

If a lawmaker claims he's against abortion but then supports laws that are for abortion, then he's not really against abortion or he would work hard to fight it, not maintain laws that allow it.

 

[Josiah]

Joe Biden is caught in a dilemma.

His dilemma is that he is radically pro-abortion (for any or no reason.... right up to the moment the last cell of the toe exists the birth canal.... even if it means breaking the neck of the baby after the head has fully left the birth canal.... even if the reason is that this is a baby girl....) and this puts him in direct conflict with the Catholicism he professes.


During the days of slavery in the USA (something we ALL repudiate today), there were Republicans who insisted that PERSONALLY they were against slavery but wanted to give some the right to own a slave (President Franklin Pierce, arguably the worse president in our history and the most hypocritical is an example). But IMO, that's simply the definition of hypocrite. IF Biden actually believed that abortion is the intentional, proactive murder of an innocent human being (hum, much worse than slavery; maybe more like what Hitler did with the Jews) BUT should be legal and supported and often paid for by the government.... um..... is that called "moral conviction?" Or maybe "hypocrasy" and a lack of moral convictions?

he realizes that as a politician elected by the people at large he cannot inflict his personal religious convictions on them. It is a very difficult and very courageous stance. I applaud him for it.

Really? Nearly every law is inflicting personal moral convictions on the public. I have a hunch the 1.3 million aborted "them" might feel that someone is imposing their moral views on them. In the days of slavery, there were Democrats who argued that owning a human as a slave is a personal matter entirely up to the white man (the Black that just suffers from the imposition of that) and thus they could not legislate on this (yet they did anyway - just not telling Whites in the South that they could own a Black if their morality suggested such). Today, we all repudiate that stance.... we rebuke those Democrats for their cowardly stance and conflicted morality.... YES, we all insisted, the anti-Slavery issue IS one where morality SHOULD be inflicted, YES those with dark skin have human rights too. And during the Nazi years in Germany, there were those who insisted the Jew's very life was entirely at the mercy of the personal convictions of Adolf Hitler, who should not be restrained because he had the right to his views (and the Jews have none). Today, we all repudiate. OR DO WE?

While he personally accepts the teaching of the RCC on abortion

Again this June, Biden reaffirmed his support for Roe, telling voters in New Hampshire that it is “the law of the land, a woman has a right to choose [to murder her innocent, defenseless baby].” He added that if the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade while he was president, he would “push” legislation to keep it legal. This is not the RCC's stance on abortion.





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[Albion]

Joe Biden is caught in a dilemma. Morality is involved with your personal relationship with God. While ethics is concerned with your personal relationship with the world. He has chosen a narrow path. While he personally accepts the teaching of the RCC on abortion, he realizes that as a politician elected by the people at large he caconvictions on them. It is a very difficult and very courageous stance. I applaud him for it. nnot inflict his personal religious

He may be in a political bind, all right, but that doesn't excuse immoral actions--which is what promoting infanticide is.

 

[Josiah]

Again, Biden (the uber-politician that he is) is simply trying to play it both ways.

But just last June, Biden AGAIN reaffirmed his support for abortion and for the Democratic Party's view of abortion for any or no reason at least until the last cell of the last toe exists the birth canal. ,He told voters in New Hampshire that it is “the law of the land, a woman has a right to choose [to murder her innocent, defenseless baby].” He added that if the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade while he was president, he would “push” legislation to keep it legal. How is that being pro-life? What "delemma" is he in other than claiming to be a passionate Catholic who in fact repudiates Catholicism on a point very, very important to his church?