On HEALING

[Michael]

“If you diligently heed (obey) the voice of the Lord your God and do what is right in His sight, give ear to His commandments and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have brought on the Egyptians. For I am the Lord who heals you.” - Ex 15:26 NKJV (HCSB)

I'm guessing most of us here have heard their pastor or priest or perhaps an evangelist quote "by His stripes we are healed" over someone who is sick or infirmed. Yet most of those prayed over remain in their infirmity. I've personally been at several 'healing' conferences and meetings over the past 20 years; yet everyone who came to one of these venues in a wheelchair left in a wheelchair.

Now I don't discount physical healing. I fully believe in the healing power of Jesus. My wife & I prayed for our little boy and saw God heal him; and I've experienced physical healing as well. But so often we in the churches claim 1Pet 2:24, as well as Psalm 103 and the last 7 words of Exodus 15:26 as though they are a formula of some sort that makes God beholden to those who quote them. But then many are bewildered when the healing doesn't take place. And sadly, the reason is usually given that the individual doesn't 'have enough faith' or that God must be doing something deeper in that persons life. And if someone they prayed for dies, then we're told that 'God healed them in heaven.' But we know that that doesn't hold up to the Scripture.

As I began to ponder these things over the years, and study them in context, the Lord showed me some deeper Truth behind these passages. And recently I felt lead to look at these verses again and share a little on them, presenting several 'healing' verses in their Biblical context. As usual, I'm sure to get some debate over what I speak in the video. My encouragement would be to read the passages for yourself, in context, and meditate on God's Word, letting His Spirit reveal the Truth regarding what God has said.

Peace & Blessings, Wisdom & Understanding to all who walk with Jesus.
Michael

https://youtu.be/tVlsndUjFYI

 

[NewCreation435]

As I think I have said before you will find out that most people on here won't watch a long video teaching.

The context to the promise in the first part of Exodus 15 is the nation of Israel. Though nobody should doubt that God can heal whenever he wants to

 

[psalms 91]

As I think I have said before you will find out that most people on here won't watch a long video teaching.

The context to the promise in the first part of Exodus 15 is the nation of Israel. Though nobody should doubt that God can heal whenever he wants to

God can heal for sure and we are grafted in so all the promises that were given to Israel are for us as well if we are children of God. Of course those promises were conditional so they still are

 

[NewCreation435]

God can heal for sure and we are grafted in so all the promises that were given to Israel are for us as well if we are children of God. Of course those promises were conditional so they still are

I wouldn't consider the promise in Exodus 15 to be able to be applied to us. God was making a specific promise to the people of Israel as they crossed the wilderness on the way to the promise land.

 

[Michael]

As I think I have said before you will find out that most people on here won't watch a long video teaching.

I know that well. This type of teaching is not for "most people."
Remember, there is a "narrow Way" and a "wide road." There is only a remnant that God will bring forth with Christ in that Day, in whom His promises will be fulfilled.
Makes me wonder how long most people would sit today and listen to Jesus or the Apostles before their mind started drifting and they pulled out their cell phones.
Three quick points & a conclusion is not my way.

The context to the promise in the first part of Exodus 15 is the nation of Israel. Though nobody should doubt that God can heal whenever he wants to

Of course God can heal whoever, whenever, however He wants. But most of the time He doesn't. And in our modern "Christian" Religion we use much of the Bible out of context, including the verses oft-used to claim physical "healing" such as the ones I quoted above.
Another great mistake we make in our religion today is that we separate the Kingdom principles given to Israel from the Church. There is no separate covenant in the Scripture given to the Gentiles apart from Israel. What God stated in Exodus 15:26, as well as 2Chron 7:14, is Eternal Truth that is applicable to us just as it was/is to Israel. From such thinking has brought about the false doctrines of 'dispensationalism' and 'replacement' theology. Much of the 'preaching' today is aimed at one thing... assuring the 'most' that there is no real necessity to repent and obey God... for "belief" is enough. And that, my friend, is the "broad road that leads to destruction."

Let us be walking that "narrow" Way today.
Peace. :ange06:

 

[Lamb]

I know that well. This type of teaching is not for "most people."
Remember, there is a "narrow Way" and a "wide road." There is only a remnant that God will bring forth with Christ in that Day, in whom His promises will be fulfilled.
Makes me wonder how long most people would sit today and listen to Jesus or the Apostles before their mind started drifting and they pulled out their cell phones.
Three quick points & a conclusion is not my way.
:

Well, you aren't Jesus and you weren't taught directly by him like the Apostles were for 3 years.

If you really want conversation then you'd list the points of your videos that you want discussed.

 

[NewCreation435]

I know that well. This type of teaching is not for "most people."
Remember, there is a "narrow Way" and a "wide road." There is only a remnant that God will bring forth with Christ in that Day, in whom His promises will be fulfilled.
Makes me wonder how long most people would sit today and listen to Jesus or the Apostles before their mind started drifting and they pulled out their cell phones.
Three quick points & a conclusion is not my way.




Of course God can heal whoever, whenever, however He wants. But most of the time He doesn't. And in our modern "Christian" Religion we use much of the Bible out of context, including the verses oft-used to claim physical "healing" such as the ones I quoted above.
Another great mistake we make in our religion today is that we separate the Kingdom principles given to Israel from the Church. There is no separate covenant in the Scripture given to the Gentiles apart from Israel. What God stated in Exodus 15:26, as well as 2Chron 7:14, is Eternal Truth that is applicable to us just as it was/is to Israel. From such thinking has brought about the false doctrines of 'dispensationalism' and 'replacement' theology. Much of the 'preaching' today is aimed at one thing... assuring the 'most' that there is no real necessity to repent and obey God... for "belief" is enough. And that, my friend, is the "broad road that leads to destruction."

Let us be walking that "narrow" Way today.
Peace. :ange06:

It's true that that is not your way. I think you also have to understand that your not the pastor of all or most of the people who come to this forum. They hear a sermon from the church they attend. You would get a better response if you want discussion if you shared perhaps one or two thoughts at a time and let us talk about them and then move on to another issue you want to talk about. Just a suggestion from someone who has used forums for the last 13 years

 

[Michael]

Just a brief (21 minute) follow-up to our previous look at some of the passages on Healing in the Scripture, studying them in their Biblical context.

Peace & Blessings to all.

https://youtu.be/lSqCLcoeUqA

 

[Arsenios]

I've personally been at several 'healing' conferences and meetings over the past 20 years;
yet everyone who came to one of these venues in a wheelchair
left in a wheelchair.

I have found the reverse - I got sucked into a prayer circle for the healing of a guy with throat cancer, and the leader made sure I did not get a chance to say anything, and I thought the whole thing was pretty bogus - They were Charismatics - So I just quietly prayed for God to have Mercy on him - He was pretty freaked out at dying by blocked air slowly choking him to death...

Next time I saw him, he was at peace with "Let THY will, not MY will, be done..."

And 6 months later, he recovered after surgery and chemotherapy...

I was shocked!

And I have no idea of how the prayer dynamics worked...

eg If my participation was irrelevant, contributory, or causal of his recovery...

And physical healing is not the standard, but the Salvation of the Soul...

Physical illness is normally a huge Grace...


Arsenios

 

[JRT]

I think that we need to make a distinction between healing and curing. Healing refers to our spiritual and/or mental well being. Prayer can help as can psychological counseling and psychiatry. On the other hand curing refers to the alleviation of physical disease. Prayer can affect our state of mind during the curing process and speed it up considerably. Faith healing has been studied extensively by science and medicine and the effects of a "cure" are usually temporary and may last a few hours to a few weeks but frequently leave the patient in worse condition particularly if they discontinued their medical treatment in the interim.

 

[Michael]

I think that we need to make a distinction between healing and curing. Healing refers to our spiritual and/or mental well being. Prayer can help as can psychological counseling and psychiatry. On the other hand curing refers to the alleviation of physical disease. Prayer can affect our state of mind during the curing process and speed it up considerably. Faith healing has been studied extensively by science and medicine and the effects of a "cure" are usually temporary and may last a few hours to a few weeks but frequently leave the patient in worse condition particularly if they discontinued their medical treatment in the interim.

I have been involved with a couple of the recent "healing" movements, and I agree, the results are usually temporary; having been brought about by emotion. Although I have witnessed and known of actual, permanent, healings.

Now in the Scripture, particularly the Gospels, when a individual was "healed" it was only and always physical. And results were not temporary. Now... this healing in and of itself did not grant "eternal Life", as every single person that Jesus & the Apostles healed, eventually died. And the same is True throughout history. Healing is for a sign. To awaken people to the power of God and the calling to be "delivered" permanently from sin.

One of the points I make in my teaching is that physical "healing" is not Eternal. And the main focus is that we must take oft-used "healing" verses and look at them in their context. For the most popular verses quoted over the sick today are actually referring to that "spiritual" healing you mentioned, which is restoration to God. And that promise always comes with a condition: Repentance.

 

[Michael]

Indeed an interesting answer Jesus gives His closest disciples when they asked Him why His teaching was hard to understand, even for most of those who followed Him -

“Why do You speak to them in parables?”

11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I would heal them.’

16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it."
- Matt 13:10-16

Amen.

Jesus told His closest disciples that He taught in parables so the people would not understand, lest He would have to "heal" them. That "healing" being from sin and deception.

Are we hearing and understanding "what the Spirit says to the churches" today?




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